Vambo Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 Browns Sign Kicker To New $15.9 Million Contract (msn.com) JULY 16 HOPKINS SIGNS The Browns are keeping Dustin Hopkins. According to The Plain Dealer, Cleveland on Monday signed Hopkins to a three-year, $15.9 million contract with $8.36 million guaranteed. Ken Blaze-USA TODAY Sports© Provided by Browns Digest Cleveland added the Hopkins last year to replace Cade York, and he gave the Browns Hopkins stability at the spot, converting a franchise record 33 of 36 field-goal attempts. JULY 15 – TEE TIME – The first free agent of the 2025 NFL offseason? Let's make it Cincinnati Bengals receiver Tee Higgins, who signed his franchise tag but as Monday is the deadline for that long-term agreement to be reached ... and according to Ian Rapoport ... one is not forthcoming ... Higgins immediately becomes the biggest non-quarterback on the early free-agent board. This doesn't mean he can't end up back with Cincy. But for foes like the Browns? Any way to chip away at the quality of the Bengals roster is a good thing. JULY 15 - RECEIVERS—The Cleveland Browns are just under two weeks away from the start of training camp, which, for many players, will be their final chance to impress coaches before the roster cut-down day. The battle for spots on the 53-man roster will be particularly competitive at receiver, where the Browns have stockpiled several former draft picks, including two former third-round selections, David Bell and Cedric Tillman. Both of whom are now potentially set to battle with Elijah Moore for a spot on the roster. Combined with the potential holdout of Amari Cooper, who has still yet to agree with the Browns on a contract extension, 92.3 The Fan's Dan Labbe has named the receivers a "storyline" to watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 5 hours ago, Vambo said: Cleveland on Monday signed Hopkins to a three-year, $15.9 million contract with $8.36 million guaranteed. And technically Cade York is still on the roster. See Cade? That's how much you make if you can kick the ball between the uprights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 50 minutes ago, Orion said: And technically Cade York is still on the roster. See Cade? That's how much you make if you can kick the ball between the uprights. More specifically Cade, it's about the same odds as winning the lottery. The good news for Cade is that Jimmy is still willing to pay him for his lost art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, Flugel said: good news for Cade is that Jimmy is still willing to pay him Use him as a camp leg. Cut him at CutDowns. Then try and PS him...or someone else. With the PS the way it is we should always have a kicker on it...ready to go in and kick the next week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 10 hours ago, Orion said: Use him as a camp leg. Cut him at CutDowns. Then try and PS him...or someone else. With the PS the way it is we should always have a kicker on it...ready to go in and kick the next week. I agree; but why Cade? This loyalty to bad draft picks is kind of strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 47 minutes ago, Flugel said: I agree; but why Cade? This loyalty to bad draft picks is kind of strange. I think he was very highly rated coming out of college. They obviously liked him. We'll see how this saga turns out. He's on the roster...for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 Heck yes. Hopkins is now the 5th highest paid kicker in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 44 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said: Heck yes. Hopkins is now the 5th highest paid kicker in the league. ▪︎ Before seeing or hearing anything else about the details - Just the basics $15.9 M ÷ 3 years = $ 5.3 M/ year.. Sounds like big money for "THE" kicker. It may work out well for both sides - only time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 4 hours ago, Orion said: I think he was very highly rated coming out of college. They obviously liked him. We'll see how this saga turns out. He's on the roster...for now. Per the part in bold, as was Zane Gonzalez (a Lou Groza award winner in 2016). Another kicker they drafted was Austin Seibert out of Oklahoma; but I heard he was kind of weirdo aside from not being worthy of keeping. Like you said, we'll see how this turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 2 hours ago, Flugel said: Austin Seibert Oh yeah. I remember him. I looked him up. He played 16 games for us in 2019. But he was only 85% on extra points. He missed 5 XP's. And the funny part ('kicker' if you will) is that he only played one game for us in 2020. In that game he attempted one extra point and missed it. I'm assuming he got the 'boot' after the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 9 hours ago, Flugel said: I agree; but why Cade? This loyalty to bad draft picks is kind of strange. To be fair, he was a very popular mock draft pick for the Browns that season. I know I was kind of happy to get him, I thought we got our version of the SEC kicker the Bengals drafted the year before or so (McPherson?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 3 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: I know I was kind of happy to get him, As was I. The position was unstable after Dawson left. I thought that we'd finally put it to bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 4 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: To be fair, he was a very popular mock draft pick for the Browns that season. I know I was kind of happy to get him, I thought we got our version of the SEC kicker the Bengals drafted the year before or so (McPherson?) Believe it or not, I rooted for the guy and wanted him to succeed. I think we all liked the pick in round 4 at the time. Then he won the opener against Carolina with a 58 yard FG as a rookie. What wasn't there to like about that 1st impression - right? After the 2022 season played out - a lot of us lost confidence in him. When the 2023 preseason was under way, he looked like he lost even more of the art to the extent fans in here posted their concerns that the Browns needed to bring another kicker in to compete for the job. Not only did that happen, but the Browns waived him in August of 2023. It's a tough gig with a lot of pressure; because Kickers are often remembered for winning or losing games. We liked Phil Dawson like the New England Patriots and their fans liked Adam Vinatieri. They were accurate and reliable especially when it was time to win games at the end. Neither guy was drafted. Am I being too critical of York saying he was a bad pick? We'll find out. I'm just going by the bottom line that a 4th round pick didn't survive his 2nd training camp. All that said, his rookie stats below aren't that bad. Player Sort First: Last: Team G FGM FGA FG% EPM EPA FPts FPts/G 1. Jason Myers SEA 17 34 37 91.9% 41 42 143.0 8.4 2. Justin Tucker BAL 17 37 43 86.0% 31 32 142.0 8.4 3. Daniel Carlson LV 17 34 37 91.9% 35 36 137.0 8.1 4. Brett Maher DAL 17 29 32 90.6% 50 53 137.0 8.1 5. Robbie Gould SF 17 27 32 84.4% 50 51 131.0 7.7 6. Tyler Bass BUF 16 27 31 87.1% 48 50 129.0 8.1 7. Younghoe Koo ATL 17 32 37 86.5% 33 35 129.0 7.6 8. Eddy Pineiro CAR 17 33 35 94.3% 30 32 129.0 7.6 9. Nick Folk NE 17 32 37 86.5% 32 35 128.0 7.5 10. Riley Patterson JAC 17 30 35 85.7% 36 37 126.0 7.4 11. Graham Gano NYG 17 29 32 90.6% 32 34 119.0 7.0 12. Jason Sanders MIA 17 26 32 81.3% 41 44 119.0 7.0 13. Greg Joseph MIN 17 26 33 78.8% 40 46 118.0 6.9 14. Greg Zuerlein NYJ 17 30 37 81.1% 28 29 118.0 6.9 15. Ryan Succop TB 17 31 38 81.6% 24 25 117.0 6.9 16. Matt Gay LAR 17 28 30 93.3% 31 32 115.0 6.8 17. Mason Crosby GB 17 25 29 86.2% 37 39 112.0 6.6 18. Evan McPherson CIN 16 24 29 82.8% 40 44 112.0 7.0 19. Jake Elliott PHI 16 20 23 87.0% 51 53 111.0 6.9 20. Ka'imi Fairbairn HOU 17 29 31 93.5% 24 24 111.0 6.5 21. Chase McLaughlin IND 16 30 36 83.3% 21 21 111.0 6.9 22. Brandon McManus DEN 17 28 36 77.8% 25 27 109.0 6.4 23. Cade York CLE 17 24 32 75.0% 35 37 107.0 6.3 24. Mike Badgley CHI 14 24 28 85.7% 33 33 105.0 7.5 25. Wil Lutz NO 17 23 31 74.2% 33 33 102.0 6.0 26. Joey Slye WAS 17 25 30 83.3% 24 28 99.0 5.8 27. Harrison Butker KC 13 18 24 75.0% 38 41 92.0 7.1 28. Cairo Santos CHI 16 21 23 91.3% 27 32 90.0 5.6 29. Cameron Dicker PHI 11 21 22 95.5% 24 24 87.0 7.9 30. Matt Prater ARI 13 22 25 88.0% 17 18 83.0 6.4 31. Randy Bullock TEN 15 17 20 85.0% 28 28 79.0 5.3 32. Chris Boswell PIT 12 20 28 71.4% 18 18 78.0 6.5 33. Matthew Wright KC 6 15 18 83.3% 15 15 60.0 10.0 34. Dustin Hopkins LAC 5 9 10 90.0% 12 12 39.0 7.8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 On 7/17/2024 at 9:35 PM, Orion said: Use him as a camp leg. Cut him at CutDowns. Then try and PS him...or someone else. With the PS the way it is we should always have a kicker on it...ready to go in and kick the next week. That probably is the plan. Even if it isn't York, the team should always have a kicker on the PC. Hopkins is a solid kicker, but he also has some injury history over the last several years. His deal also looks like a 2 year deal to me. The plan for him is to kick this year and possibly next. Basically, all of this years 5 or so million will be paid with 3.something million next year guaranteed if we decide to move on after this year. Also, while not likely, I can see the team keeping 2 kickers on the team. Again, not likely but not impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 7 hours ago, ballpeen said: That probably is the plan. Even if it isn't York, the team should always have a kicker on the PC. Come to think of it - it might have been the plan in 2023 until the Tennessee Titans decided it was their turn to see what he has. I agree that it is a good idea to have a kicker on the practice squad. I cut off your last point above about keeping 2 kickers on the active roster. I know you have recalled before that we used to keep 2 kickers on the active roster when we had Matt Bahr and Steve Cox. That worked out well for us. In fact, Cox kicked a 60 yard field goal in a game during that span. It looks like they want the practice squad route, which I'm fine with. I just wondered why they'd go back to a guy that was never able to correct what he began to do wrong too frequently for comfort. Maybe all he needed was a position coach to catch the mechanical flaw and assist him with correcting it. Or, possibly bring in Phil Dawson as a consultant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 13 hours ago, Flugel said: he won the opener against Carolina with a 58 yard FG as a rookie. What wasn't there to like Yup. He broke our opening day losing streak...and beat Mayfield at the same time. But what? Did he have his eyes closed on that one? Because after that he went on to be 3rd worst in the league for FG%. Then, he came back to TC the following year and was such a mess that they had to replace him. I certainly don't blame Berry. Who knew that York's brain would devolve into mush while standing in the backfield awaiting the snap of an NFL style pressure FG attempt? Anyway, Berry made a good guess bringing in Hopkins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 14 hours ago, Flugel said: Come to think of it - it might have been the plan in 2023 until the Tennessee Titans decided it was their turn to see what he has. I agree that it is a good idea to have a kicker on the practice squad. I cut off your last point above about keeping 2 kickers on the active roster. I know you have recalled before that we used to keep 2 kickers on the active roster when we had Matt Bahr and Steve Cox. That worked out well for us. In fact, Cox kicked a 60 yard field goal in a game during that span. It looks like they want the practice squad route, which I'm fine with. I just wondered why they'd go back to a guy that was never able to correct what he began to do wrong too frequently for comfort. Maybe all he needed was a position coach to catch the mechanical flaw and assist him with correcting it. Or, possibly bring in Phil Dawson as a consultant? I think they went back because he has the leg talent. Even with some of our past kickers you can find guys who needed some time who went on to be good kickers in the league. It probably shows that way across the league. Kickers aren't any different than other position player. Sometimes they don't just step in and be perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 17 minutes ago, ballpeen said: Kickers aren't any different than other position player. Sometimes they don't just step in and be perfect. I dunno. It's not like they have to learn a playbook. They don't have to, lets say, work with the receivers to get the timing down. The goal posts are in the same place wherever you go. They've gotta kick it betwix the uprights. Like they've been trying to do for what, practically their whole lives? I don't mean to say that it's an easy thing to do. But the mechanics of kicking a FG is no different in the NFL than in college. Presumedly, they've kicked game deciding FG's in front of large crowds before. Nice Job! Kicker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 I don't disagree. I also said "sometimes". As I noted, we have had several kickers who didn't work out here and have gone on to have successful careers with other teams. It's nice to think a guy should just be able to step in and just take over without a hiccup, but it doesn't always work that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 8 hours ago, ballpeen said: I think they went back because he has the leg talent. Even with some of our past kickers you can find guys who needed some time who went on to be good kickers in the league. It probably shows that way across the league. Kickers aren't any different than other position player. Sometimes they don't just step in and be perfect. Yeah, I can think of 1 really good example that I'll share at the bottom. There's variables that come into play that we as fans don't always consider. For example, sometimes guys come to Cleveland's Great Lake Climate (windy, cold, wet, slippery ground) from somewhere warm and dry like the Lou Groza Award Winner Zane Gonzalez at Arizona State. Could the difference in climates be any more extreme? Here's a cut and paste of how he did in the good climate: ASU's Zane Gonzalez sets FBS record for career field goals made. Arizona State kicker Zane Gonzalez now holds the NCAA record for field goals in a career. He made his 89th field goal Saturday in the Sun Devils' 23-20 win over UCLA. On the other hand, Phil Dawson played his college ball in the warm weather of Texas but performed very well in Cleveland. That said, Phil Dawson's leg looked like it got a lot stronger in Cleveland with access to the NFL Strength and Conditioning program. All that to say, some kickers can kick in all weather while others cannot. Here's some stats that show it took more than 1 year to get where Phil was going with the Browns. They also show even a great kicker can vary with accuracy some from year to year. Phil Dawson 1999-2012 in bold below were with the Browns; 2013-2016 were with SF; 2017-2018 in italics were with Arizona GP FG FG% 1-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ LNG XPM XPA PTS 15 8-12 66.7 0-0 2-2 3-5 3-5 0-0 49 23 24 47 16 14-17 82.4 3-3 4-4 5-5 2-5 0-0 45 17 17 59 16 22-25 88.0 0-0 10-10 8-9 4-6 0-0 48 29 30 95 16 22-28 78.6 0-0 9-10 6-8 5-7 2-3 52 34 35 100 13 18-21 85.7 2-2 7-7 4-5 3-5 2-2 52 20 21 74 16 24-29 82.8 0-0 11-11 6-8 6-9 1-1 50 28 28 100 16 27-29 93.1 2-2 11-11 9-11 5-5 0-0 44 19 21 100 16 21-29 72.4 0-0 5-6 9-10 6-12 1-1 51 25 25 88 16 26-30 86.7 2-2 9-10 7-8 7-8 1-2 51 42 43 120 16 30-36 83.3 0-0 10-10 12-14 5-6 3-6 56 18 18 108 11 17-19 89.5 0-0 7-7 5-5 5-6 0-1 49 18 19 69 16 23-28 82.1 3-3 7-7 10-10 3-5 0-3 48 28 28 97 16 24-29 82.8 0-0 7-9 3-4 7-8 7-8 54 20 20 92 16 29-31 93.5 0-0 8-9 8-9 6-6 7-7 53 29 29 116 16 32-36 88.9 0-0 12-13 6-6 10-11 4-6 56 44 44 140 16 25-31 80.6 0-0 6-6 8-9 5-7 6-9 55 33 33 108 16 24-27 88.9 0-0 9-10 6-6 6-8 3-3 54 20 21 92 16 18-21 85.7 0-0 4-4 6-6 7-9 1-2 53 33 34 87 16 32-40 80.0 1-1 7-7 10-14 10-13 4-5 57 23 26 119 10 5-8 62.5 0-0 2-2 2-2 1-3 0-1 43 15 15 30 188 441-526 83.8 13-13 147-155 133-154 106-144 42-60 57 518 531 1841 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 7 hours ago, Orion said: I dunno. It's not like they have to learn a playbook. They don't have to, lets say, work with the receivers to get the timing down. The goal posts are in the same place wherever you go. They've gotta kick it betwix the uprights. Like they've been trying to do for what, practically their whole lives? I don't mean to say that it's an easy thing to do. But the mechanics of kicking a FG is no different in the NFL than in college. Presumedly, they've kicked game deciding FG's in front of large crowds before. Nice Job! Kicker! Well said! This an interesting conversation you guys have going here because you both bring up great points. Kickers are sort of like a closer in baseball. They have 1 job to do. If this guy comes in with the bases loaded and 2 outs - he either gets the batter out; or he's the last and biggest memory viewers have of why his team lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 And yet you can find numerous examples of guys who went through several teams before finding their groove. Why that is, I don't know, but it isn't a rare occurrence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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