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I stumbled onto a post of mental retardation the other day on Instagram. I don't remember what account.

The account posted a collage of Earl Campbell, Eddie George, Chris Henry and Derrick Henry and said that the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans have the best Mt Rushmore of Running Backs in NFL History.

I say pish posh. My question is two parts:

1) Who are the second, third and fourth spots on your Browns list? Mine is the following:

A. Jim Brown

B. Leroy Kelley

C. Marion Motley 

D. Nick Chubb

2) (I'm going off the top of my head) Three Hall of Famers alone make the Browns Mt Rushmore the best of all time. Can a better Mt Rushmore of RBs for a team be named?

I can think of the Bears (Sayers and Payton), Rams (Dickerson and Faulk), Stillers (Harris and Bettis), and Cowboys (Dorsett and Smith) having two HOFers on their respective lists.

Am I missing a third HOFer from any of these teams lists?

Any other teams with three or four HOF RBs?

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Current Browns rushing leaders are:  Jim Brown,  Leroy Kelly,  Mike Pruitt, Nick Chubb.  (Motley is 7th)   With an 800 yard season Chubb can jump to 2nd all time.

 

...Mike Pruitt was a good running back.  A powerful runner.  I enjoyed watching him....and his backfield mate Greg (who was 5th all time).

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I know leaving Mike Pruitt off my list would be unpopular. 

In terms of the team with the best stable of four RBs of all-time, it's hard to argue against three HOFers.

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9 hours ago, AP1 said:

leaving Mike Pruitt off my list would be unpopular

Ya know, he's just kinda' there.....under the radar.  I mean, would most people guess that he's the 3rd leading rusher in Browns history?  I'd think no.  I think more people would guess Byner or Mack.  Or Greg Pruitt.  Or Marion Motley.  I never thought that Mike Pruitt got the credit that he deserved.  He wasn't flashy.  But in my opinion, he picked up the torch that Leroy Kelly had left behind 3 years prior....and 'ran' with it.  

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11 hours ago, AP1 said:

Ahhh. Solid addition. Thanks @Dutch Oven. I just watched something on him the other day. I have no excuses. 

Browns v Bears

Here's a cut and paste from Google: 

Historic Moments: Sayers, Butkus draft

Nov. 28, 1964. The selection of Gale Sayers and Dick Butkus in the first round of the 1965 draft remains the only time a team has selected two Hall of Fame players in the first round of one draft.

My thoughts on that: 1) I don't know if that still stands; 2) Surprisingly, the Bears never once made the playoffs during their NFL careers. 

In 1978, the Browns drafted both Ozzie Newsome and Clay Matthews in the 1st round of the NFL draft.  Shortly after this, my golden era as a fan was the 1980s when the Browns frequented the playoffs more than any other decade I can recall.  Both guys were quiet and steady leaders by example on their sides of the ball much like that of Nick Chubb since he arrived. There were 2 different groups of Kardiac Kids starting with Sipe and finishing with Kosar.  Nobody even cared that we refused to spell Kardiac correctly.  

After Leroy Kelly, my favorite player to watch was Greg Pruitt (my avatar).  He had some brutal knee injuries that he bounced back from each time. However, back in the 70s it took a little longer to get back to feeling close to pre-injury form following major knee surgeries/reconstructions.   That said, he was incredibly strong for his size to the extent he ran through so many tear away jerseys - he became one of the biggest reasons the NFL had to do away with the tear away jerseys.  The TRADITION of the RB position in Cleveland reeled me in as a kid.  Needless to say -this was a GREAT idea to have as a thread!  We've had a lot of fun backs to watch after Greg Pruitt like the already mentioned Mike Pruitt; and later on Kevin Mack; Earnest Byner; Leroy Hoard; Jamal Lewis; Nick Chubb.  We even had Mr 3rd Down - Calvin Hill during his 30s with the Kardiac Kids. There's even more guys that I didn't mention like Bo Scott, Cleo Miller, Charles White, Reuben Droughns, Eric Metcalf (shoulda been a slot Receiver here) and prolly several others I'm still leaving out...

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18 minutes ago, Orion said:

Ya know, he's just kinda' there.....under the radar.  I mean, would most people guess that he's the 3rd leading rusher in Browns history?  I'd think no.  I think more people would guess Byner or Mack.  Or Greg Pruitt.  Or Marion Motley.  I never thought that Mike Pruitt got the credit that he deserved.  He wasn't flashy.  But in my opinion, he picked up the torch that Leroy Kelly had left behind 3 years prior....and 'ran' with it.  

True but Mike Pruitt wasn't immediately terrific.  As a rookie in 76, he rushed for 2.7 yards per carry with 138 yards rushing. In 77, he rushed for 206 yards at 4.4 yards per carry. In 78 he had 560 yards at 4.1 ypc. In 79 thru 81 he exceeded 1000 yards rushing every time and had a 4.9 ypc in 79 when he ran for 1294 yards and 9 rushing TDs.  

Greg Pruitt rushed for over 1000 yards in 75, 76 and 77 while averaging 4.9 ypc, 4.8 ypc, and 4.y ypc respectively. Actually, 1 of those years he rushed for exactly 1000 yards in 1976. There was more to both Pruitts' careers than those seasons I mentioned.  Either way, the Browns liked to do it with Pruitt.  Those were fun times with each guy. It was fun to see them together.  

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56 minutes ago, Flugel said:

True but Mike Pruitt wasn't immediately terrific.  As a rookie in 76, he rushed for 2.7 yards per carry with 138 yards rushing. In 77, he rushed for 206 yards at 4.4 yards per carry. In 78 he had 560 yards at 4.1 ypc. In 79 thru 81 he exceeded 1000 yards rushing every time and had a 4.9 ypc in 79 when he ran for 1294 yards and 9 rushing TDs.  

Greg Pruitt rushed for over 1000 yards in 75, 76 and 77 while averaging 4.9 ypc, 4.8 ypc, and 4.y ypc respectively. Actually, 1 of those years he rushed for exactly 1000 yards in 1976. There was more to both Pruitts' careers than those seasons I mentioned.  Either way, the Browns liked to do it with Pruitt.  Those were fun times with each guy. It was fun to see them together.  

One thing that becomes similar in the AFC.. Most notably Pitts/Cle is the commitment to run the ball.. over the decades.. Defense.. Run the ball.. Seems to be the recipe that works here.. While I get having the franchise QB is a necessity (in most cases)... It's not the only road to Mecca.... Even some of the lesser backs have given some thrills.. LeRoy Hoard. Peyton Hillis and William Green had some fleeting moments of fun.. Terrell Suggs was an interesting back until injuries took a toll on him.. And then there's Eric Metcalf.. So the Browns have a nice history at RB.. Doesn't take a back seat to anybody...

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1 hour ago, Flugel said:

but Mike Pruitt wasn't immediately terrific.  As a rookie in 76, he rushed for 2.7 yards per carry with 138 yards rushing

Yeah, but he was behind Greg Pruitt, Cleo Miller and Larry Poole on the depth chart in those early years of his career.  And Calvin Hill came in to join them a few years later (Dino Hall & Charles White came along).  Teams carried a lot of RB's back then.  He was in there for a lot of 3rd and 1 or 2 plays I'm sure (he was the fullback after-all).  Greg Pruitt and Cleo Miller sucked up most of the carries until Mike finally took over as the feature back.  And he was a reliable receiver out of the backfield.  

Greg Pruitt was 'the man' when Mike Pruitt came along.  And deservedly so.  Greg was terrific and going strong.  Who knew at that point that Mike would surpass Greg on the all time list?  

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3 hours ago, Orion said:

Yeah, but he was behind Greg Pruitt, Cleo Miller and Larry Poole on the depth chart in those early years of his career.  And Calvin Hill came in to join them a few years later (Dino Hall & Charles White came along).  Teams carried a lot of RB's back then.  He was in there for a lot of 3rd and 1 or 2 plays I'm sure (he was the fullback after-all).  Greg Pruitt and Cleo Miller sucked up most of the carries until Mike finally took over as the feature back.  And he was a reliable receiver out of the backfield.  

Greg Pruitt was 'the man' when Mike Pruitt came along.  And deservedly so.  Greg was terrific and going strong.  Who knew at that point that Mike would surpass Greg on the all time list?  

Well said!  Greg had to wait for Leroy Kelly a year or 2; but while doing so he was the AFC All Pro Kick Returner while Terry Metcalf (Eric's dad) was the NFC All Pro Kick Returner in 1974.  I always wondered what he would have done if he stayed healthy. In his last couple years with the Browns he caught a lot of passes while Mike Pruitt was a beast on the ground.  

Here's Greg's stats:

Rushing:

Year Team No. Yds Avg. Long TDs
Totals   1196 5672 4.7 78  27
1973 NFL Cleveland Browns 61 369 6.0 65  4
1974 NFL Cleveland Browns 126 540 4.3 54  3
1975 NFL Cleveland Browns 217 1067 4.9 50  8
1976 NFL Cleveland Browns 209 1000 4.8 64  4
1977 NFL Cleveland Browns 236 1086 4.6 78  3
1978 NFL Cleveland Browns 176 960 5.5 70  3
1979 NFL Cleveland Browns 62 233 3.8 27  0
1980 NFL Cleveland Browns 40 117 2.9 19  0
1981 NFL Cleveland Browns 31 124 4.0 15  0
1982 NFL Los Angeles Raiders 4 22 5.5 13  0
1983 NFL Los Angeles Raiders 26 154 5.9 18  2
1984 NFL Los Angeles Raiders 8 0 0.0 0

 

Receiving:

Year Team No. Yds Avg. Long TDs
Totals   328 3069 9.4 60  18
1973 NFL Cleveland Browns 9 110 12.2 42  1
1974 NFL Cleveland Browns 21 274 13.0 43  1
1975 NFL Cleveland Browns 44 299 6.8 48  1
1976 NFL Cleveland Browns 45 341 7.6 27  1
1977 NFL Cleveland Browns 37 471 12.7 60  1
1978 NFL Cleveland Browns 38 292 7.7 26  2
1979 NFL Cleveland Browns 14 155 11.1 27  1
1980 NFL Cleveland Browns 50 444 8.9 43  5
1981 NFL Cleveland Browns 65 636 9.8 33  4
1982 NFL Los Angeles Raiders 2 29 14.5 23  1
1983 NFL Los Angeles Raiders 1 6 6.0 0
1984 NFL Los Angeles Raiders 2 12 6.0 0
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16 hours ago, AP1 said:

I know leaving Mike Pruitt off my list would be unpopular. 

In terms of the team with the best stable of four RBs of all-time, it's hard to argue against three HOFers.

Yes & no.

Just my opinion, Jerome Bettis doesn't belong in the HOF. In fact, a few Steelers don't belong (Kevin Greene, Lynn Swann in particular). 

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7 hours ago, Flugel said:

Here's a cut and paste from Google: 

Historic Moments: Sayers, Butkus draft

Nov. 28, 1964. The selection of Gale Sayers and Dick Butkus in the first round of the 1965 draft remains the only time a team has selected two Hall of Fame players in the first round of one draft.

My thoughts on that: 1) I don't know if that still stands; 2) Surprisingly, the Bears never once Clay Matthews

Eric Metcalf (shoulda been a slot Receiver here)

 

6 hours ago, nickers said:

And then there's Eric Metcalf.. So the Browns have a nice history at RB.. Doesn't take a back seat to anybody...

*Not relevant to the thread - Clay Matthews, Jr. SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame. 1,595 tackles, 69.5 sacks, 16 INTs.

**Kind of relevant to the thread because he lined up in the back field, Eric Metcalf SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame. 630 carries - 2,392 yards, 541 catches - 5,572 yards, 55 total offensive TDs, 3,453 punt return yards, 9,266 kickoff return yards, 12 total return TDs. 67 career TDs.

To @Bob806's point, Lynn Swann had 53 TDs.

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1 hour ago, AP1 said:

 

*Not relevant to the thread - Clay Matthews, Jr. SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame. 1,595 tackles, 69.5 sacks, 16 INTs.

**Kind of relevant to the thread because he lined up in the back field, Eric Metcalf SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame. 630 carries - 2,392 yards, 541 catches - 5,572 yards, 55 total offensive TDs, 3,453 punt return yards, 9,266 kickoff return yards, 12 total return TDs. 67 career TDs.

To @Bob806's point, Lynn Swann had 53 TDs.

I could care less how many TD's Swann had.. all I said is our history of RB's takes a back seat to nobody

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20 hours ago, AP1 said:

I know leaving Mike Pruitt off my list would be unpopular. 

In terms of the team with the best stable of four RBs of all-time, it's hard to argue against three HOFers.

Don't worry about leaving Mike Pruitt off.  We've had so many good/fun backs to watch over the years - it's inevitable that we're gonna vary with our opinions on where we should rank our backs.  

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1 hour ago, AP1 said:

 

*Not relevant to the thread - Clay Matthews, Jr. SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame. 1,595 tackles, 69.5 sacks, 16 INTs.

**Kind of relevant to the thread because he lined up in the back field, Eric Metcalf SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame. 630 carries - 2,392 yards, 541 catches - 5,572 yards, 55 total offensive TDs, 3,453 punt return yards, 9,266 kickoff return yards, 12 total return TDs. 67 career TDs.

To @Bob806's point, Lynn Swann had 53 TDs.

I think a Browns alum that should be considered for the Hall of Fame, and for some reason seems overlooked, is Gary Collins. 

Compare his stats to other HOF receivers of that era, plus he was an excellent punter. 

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10 hours ago, Orion said:

Ya know, he's just kinda' there.....under the radar.  I mean, would most people guess that he's the 3rd leading rusher in Browns history?  I'd think no.  I think more people would guess Byner or Mack.  Or Greg Pruitt.  Or Marion Motley.  I never thought that Mike Pruitt got the credit that he deserved.  He wasn't flashy.  But in my opinion, he picked up the torch that Leroy Kelly had left behind 3 years prior....and 'ran' with it.  

Just like Leroy Kelly had to follow Jim Brown - Tag Team "Do It With Pruitt" now had 2 back to back HOF backs to live up to in Cleveland.  Tough as that was to do - both guys made our fans happy we had these 2 guys following keeping the strong tradition going with our RBs. Always fun to watch #34 teaming up with #43.  I already showed Greg's stats in this thread.  I might as well post Mike's Stats right here per your statement I bolded above.  This was a very good back here.  

Rushing:

Year Team No. Yds Avg. Long TDs
Totals   1844 7378 4.0 77  51
1976 NFL Cleveland Browns 52 138 2.7 18  0
1977 NFL Cleveland Browns 47 205 4.4 21  1
1978 NFL Cleveland Browns 135 560 4.1 71  5
1979 NFL Cleveland Browns 264 1294 4.9 77  9
1980 NFL Cleveland Browns 249 1034 4.2 56  6
1981 NFL Cleveland Browns 247 1103 4.5 21  7
1982 NFL Cleveland Browns 143 516 3.6 17  3
1983 NFL Cleveland Browns 293 1184 4.0 27  10
1984 NFL Cleveland Browns 163 506 3.1 14  6
1985 NFL Buffalo Bills 7 24 3.4 0
1985 NFL Kansas City Chiefs 105 366 3.5 54  2
1986 NFL Kansas City Chiefs 139 448 3.2 16  2

 

Receiving:

Year Team No. Yds Avg. Long TDs
Totals   270 1860 6.9 50  5
1976 NFL Cleveland Browns 8 26 3.2 15  0
1977 NFL Cleveland Browns 3 12 4.0 0
1978 NFL Cleveland Browns 20 112 5.6 15  0
1979 NFL Cleveland Browns 41 372 9.1 50  2
1980 NFL Cleveland Browns 63 471 7.5 28  0
1981 NFL Cleveland Browns 63 442 7.0 21  1
1982 NFL Cleveland Browns 22 140 6.4 13  0
1983 NFL Cleveland Browns 30 157 5.2 21  2
1984 NFL Cleveland Browns 5 29 5.8 0
1985 NFL Kansas City Chiefs 7 43 6.1 0
1986 NFL Kansas City Chiefs 8 56 7.0 13  0
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50 minutes ago, nickers said:

I could care less how many TD's Swann had.. all I said is our history of RB's takes a back seat to nobody

If Swann doesn't make that circus catch in the SB vs Dallas, he's basically Louis Lipps.

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53 minutes ago, Flugel said:

might as well post Mike's Stats

Thanks!  You can see that Mike was no slouch at receiving numbers. The two Pruitts were a great tandem.  Put in Mike to physically wear them down...and then put in Greg to aerobically wear them out.  :)  

Let's just pair up some guys for the hell-uv-it.  :)

Jim Brown and Ernie Green    12,312  +  3,204  =  15,516

Mike Pruitt and Greg Pruitt    6,540  +  5,496  =   12,036

Leroy Kelly and Bo Scott    7,274  +  2,124  =   9,398

Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt   6,511  +  2,285  =  8,796

Kevin Mack and Earnest Byner   5,123  +  3,364  =  8,467

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33 minutes ago, Orion said:

Thanks!  You can see that Mike was no slouch at receiving numbers. The two Pruitts were a great tandem.  Put in Mike to physically wear them down...and then put in Greg to aerobically wear them out.  :)  

Let's just pair up some guys for the hell-uv-it.  :)

Jim Brown and Ernie Green    12,312  +  3,204  =  15,516

Mike Pruitt and Greg Pruitt    6,540  +  5,496  =   12,036

Leroy Kelly and Bo Scott    7,274  +  2,124  =   9,398

Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt   6,511  +  2,285  =  8,796

Kevin Mack and Earnest Byner   5,123  +  3,364  =  8,467

Great idea - Nice job with that Orion!   Not for nothing but look at Jim Brown outproducing every tandem in receiving yardage all by himself.  Then we factor in all his yardage on the ground; and how much fun was it to play defense against that guy? 

 

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11 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

I think a Browns alum that should be considered for the Hall of Fame, and for some reason seems overlooked, is Gary Collins. 

Compare his stats to other HOF receivers of that era, plus he was an excellent punter. 

Whenever my dad took a break from telling me about the greatness of Otto Graham and Jim Brown - he made sure I knew all about how terrific Gary Collins was.  

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7 minutes ago, Flugel said:

Whenever my dad took a break from telling me about the greatness of Otto Graham and Jim Brown - he made sure I knew all about how terrific Gary Collins was.  

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/board/105323/contents/why-is-gary-collins-not-in-hof-227089377/#:~:text=His%20stats%20compare%20almost%20identical,of%20the%2064%20championship%20game.

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46 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

Thanks for sharing that!  Yeah, when it came to volume of Pro Bowls - he got Clay Matthewsed long before Clay Matthews with only 2 Pro Bowl selections despite making the All Decade Team in the 60s. Look at these killer good TD volumes (below) back when they only played 14 games as well as the yards per catch. Above all, he scored 3 TDs in the 27-0 Championship Victory over Baltimore.  

Receiving:

Year Team No. Yds Avg. Long TDs
  NFL 331 5299 16.0 67  70
  WFL 2 34 17.0 19  1
Totals   333 5333 16.0 67  71
1962 NFL Cleveland Browns 11 153 13.9 29  2
1963 NFL Cleveland Browns 43 674 15.7 49  13
1964 NFL Cleveland Browns 35 544 15.5 43  8
1965 NFL Cleveland Browns 50 884 17.7 67  10
1966 NFL Cleveland Browns 56 946 16.9 54  12
1967 NFL Cleveland Browns 32 500 15.6 33  7
1968 NFL Cleveland Browns 9 230 25.6 39  0
1969 NFL Cleveland Browns 54 786 14.6 48  11
1970 NFL Cleveland Browns 26 351 13.5 28  4
1971 NFL Cleveland Browns 15 231 15.4 29  3
1974 WFL Florida Blazers 2 34 17.0 19  1
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10 hours ago, Flugel said:

Not for nothing but look at Jim Brown outproducing every tandem in receiving yardage

My bad!   The numbers I put up were rushing numbers.  Those tandems are rushing numbers only.  Maybe I'll do an all purpose yardage thing (if those stats are available)....but that'll have to be after I put my painting supplies away.....which I'm just about to start another day of interior painting.  :)  

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5 hours ago, Orion said:

My bad!   The numbers I put up were rushing numbers.  Those tandems are rushing numbers only.  Maybe I'll do an all purpose yardage thing (if those stats are available)....but that'll have to be after I put my painting supplies away.....which I'm just about to start another day of interior painting.  :)  

No worries & no hurry.  I could have actually paid attention to the stats of Greg and Mike that I posted to see what you meant so it's not your bad at all.

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I have always been  good with our backs minus the days of Terry Kirby and Abdula Jabbar or whatever his name was.

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22 hours ago, Orion said:

My bad!   The numbers I put up were rushing numbers.  Those tandems are rushing numbers only.  Maybe I'll do an all purpose yardage thing (if those stats are available)....but that'll have to be after I put my painting supplies away.....which I'm just about to start another day of interior painting.  :)  

What I loved about both Pruitts was the running game dimension that they could score from anywhere on the field. At the same time both guys were very strong within their frames to frequently break tackles as well. Before Chubb came here and restored that threat - we had to hope our Oline could get Eric Metcalf similar daylight he found in the open fields the return game supplied him with.  Unfortunately, Metcalf up the middle didn't do it nearly as much as the passing game could provide that for him.  The next 3-4 teams that had Metcalf put him in the slot and said "have fun Eric."  He did!  We've had other backs that could break long runs but these 2 did it a lot with in the spans you'll see below/

This is a string of seasons from 1973 to 1980 showing the longest runs from scrimmage from Greg Pruitt and Mike Pruitt. You can see their longest runs from other seasons on the rushing stats that were posted in this thread; but these are their best.

YEAR LONG      PLAYER

1973  65 yards  Greg

1974  54 yards  Greg

1975  50 yards  Greg

1976  64 yards  Greg

1977  78 yards  Greg

1978  70 yards  Greg

1978  71 yards  Mike

1979  77 yards  Mike

1980  56 yards  Mike

 

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On 7/10/2024 at 7:12 AM, Flugel said:

Whenever my dad took a break from telling me about the greatness of Otto Graham and Jim Brown - he made sure I knew all about how terrific Gary Collins was.  

Speaking of Otto Graham.. The numbers don't lie! And yeah.. Can't begin to tell you how many times my pops told me about Gary Collins and I used to mess wit him a little and say.. Not Gary Collins the actor lol!!

 

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Browns All Purpose Yardage
Player Passing Rushing Receiving Punt Ret Kick Ret Total
 Jim Brown 117 12312 2499 0 648 15576
 Josh Cribbs 45 753 1161 2154 10015 14128
 Leroy Kelly 93 7274 2281 990 1784 12422
 Greg Pruitt 182 5496 3022 659 1523 10882
 Eric Metcalf 32 2229 2732 1341 2806 9140
 Mike Pruitt 0 6540 1761 0 237 8538
 Nick Chubb 0 6511 1011 0 0 7522
 Marion Motley 0 4712 1107 0 1122 6941
 Kevin Mack 0 5123 1602 0 0 6725
 Earnest Byner 0 3364 2630 0 515 6509
 Ernie Green 0 3204 2036 110 648 5998
 Bo Scott 0 2124 826 0 722 3672
 Kareem Hunt 0 2285 1057 0 0 3342
             
All Purpose Running Back Tandems Yardage
                                            Jim Brown & Ernie Green      21,574
                                            Greg Pruitt & Mike Pruitt       19,420
                                            Leroy Kelly & Bo Scott          16,094
                                            Kevin Mack & Earnest Byner  13,234
                                            Nick Chubb & Kareem Hunt   10,864
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