mjp28 Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 ★ Will this country EVER come back to one country ? Or not. JUNE 24, 2022. The Atlantic. ★ An article that I saw on Facebook from The Antlantic magazine I think it might be at least be partly true. It may be time to stop talking about “red” and “blue” America. That’s the provocative conclusion of Michael Podhorzer, a longtime political strategist for labor unions and the chair of the Analyst Institute, a collaborative of progressive groups that studies elections. In a private newsletter that he writes for a small group of activists, Podhorzer recently laid out a detailed case for thinking of the two blocs as fundamentally different nations uneasily sharing the same geographic space. “When we think about the United States, we make the essential error of imagining it as a single nation, a marbled mix of Red and Blue people,” Podhorzer writes. “But in truth, we have never been one nation. We are more like a federated republic of two nations: Blue Nation and Red Nation. This is not a metaphor; it is a geographic and historical reality.” To Podhorzer, the growing divisions between red and blue states represent a reversion to the lines of separation through much of the nation’s history. The differences among states in the Donald Trump era, he writes, are “very similar, both geographically and culturally, to the divides between the Union and the Confederacy. And those dividing lines were largely set at the nation’s founding, when slave states and free states forged an uneasy alliance to become ‘one nation.’” Podhorzer isn’t predicting another civil war, exactly. But he’s warning that the pressure on the country’s fundamental cohesion is likely to continue ratcheting up in the 2020s. Like other analysts who study democracy, he views the Trump faction that now dominates the Republican Party—what he terms the “MAGA movement”—as the U.S. equivalent to the authoritarian parties in places such as Hungary and Venezuela. It is a multipronged, fundamentally antidemocratic movement that has built a solidifying base of institutional support through conservative media networks, evangelical churches, wealthy Republican donors, GOP elected officials, paramilitary white-nationalist groups, and a mass public following. And it is determined to impose its policy and social vision on the entire country—with or without majority support. “The structural attacks on our institutions that paved the way for Trump’s candidacy will continue to progress,” Podhorzer argues, “with or without him at the helm.” Read: Beware prophecies of civil war All of this is fueling what I’ve called “the great divergence” now under way between red and blue states. This divergence itself creates enormous strain on the country’s cohesion, but more and more even that looks like only a way station. What’s becoming clearer over time is that the Trump-era GOP is hoping to use its electoral dominance of the red states, the small-state bias in the Electoral College and the Senate, and the GOP-appointed majority on the Supreme Court to impose its economic and social model on the entire nation—with or without majority public support. As measured on fronts including the January 6 insurrection, the procession of Republican 2020 election deniers running for offices that would provide them with control over the 2024 electoral machinery, and the systematic advance of a Republican agenda by the Supreme Court, the underlying political question of the 2020s remains whether majority rule—and democracy as we’ve known it—can survive this offensive. Podhorzer defines modern red and blue America as the states in which each party has usually held unified control of the governorship and state legislature in recent years. By that yardstick, there are 25 red states, 17 blue states, and eight purple states, where state-government control has typically been divided. ---------- continued ----------> 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan1 Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Liberal rag. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 A viable centrist third party wouldn't hurt.. Otherwise.. Pipe dream 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 25 R - 17 B - 8 P ? Any possibility of that being somewhat permanent ? Interesting theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 I find that article extremely short sighted. The division in this country started before Trump, most likely when Obozo was sucking oxygen in the Oval Office. But yet again, that’s what I expect…another shit article from The Atlantic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Canton Dawg said: I find that article extremely short sighted. The division in this country started before Trump, most likely when Obozo was sucking oxygen in the Oval Office. But yet again, that’s what I expect…another shit article from The Atlantic. The Facebook person that had this article posted is a Democrat and really dislikes Trump.....a lot. Always a good idea to consider the sources in judging anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Axe said: A viable centrist third party wouldn't hurt.. Otherwise.. Pipe dream Didn’t Washington speak of 2 party system being bad? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington's_Farewell_Address#Political_parties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 hours ago, mjp28 said: The Facebook person that had this article posted is a Democrat and really dislikes Trump.....a lot. Always a good idea to consider the sources in judging anything. LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, hoorta said: LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here..... No better than Redstate. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Westside Steve said: No better than Redstate, a.k.a. Ostrich Times or Monkey Shines (🙈🙉) WSS FIFY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: FIFY! Blow me Tex. The Atlantic the New York Times CNN on and on and on are absolutely no better than red state Ammoland and Fox. They just panned her to your stupid f****** hypocritical agenda. They just sell soap and patent medicine to a different demographic. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 But (back to the OP)no the country will probably not get much better. Mass media only exaggerates the same kind of s*** that's been going on since the revolution and before. And it's just the natural progression that no country stays on top forever. Sure the Democrats have greased the skids but a lot of people think history began 25 years ago. Hell probably even less. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan1 Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 5 hours ago, hoorta said: LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here..... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Blow me Tex. The Atlantic the New York Times CNN on and on and on are absolutely no better than red state Ammoland and Fox. They just panned her to your stupid f****** hypocritical agenda. They just sell soap and patent medicine to a different demographic. WSS That's not true at all and thoughts like yours are very much party of the problem. I wouldn't put Fox as low as Ammooand either. Seems many here not only have a poor perception of bias but also a poor perception of legitimacy. Whether you want to admit it or not CNN (or Fox) has to operate at a higher standard than Ammoland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Yeah, political division is a problem in this country... And it started with Obamao! Yeah, racial tensions are an issue... And that's because of Obamao! (not so subtile) There's a lot of political hate in this country.... And the Demonratz started it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Fuck it. Split the country. Give Trump the south and give Bernie the north. Let Texas be its own country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 https://www.theroot.com › how-obama-ruined-race-relations-1791550839 How Obama Ruined Race Relations - The Root Caucasians say that Obama ruined race relations in the same way that law-enforcement officers say cellphone cameras ruined policing. They were trying to avoid it, but under Obama, black people ... https://www.theguardian.com › world › 2012 › oct › 27 › racial-prejudice-worsened-obama Racial prejudice in US worsened during Obama's first term, study shows ... Oct 27, 2012Racial prejudice in America is more widespread now than when President Barack Obama became the country's first black president in a historic 2008 vote, a new survey has shown. In a poll of racial ... https://www.cnn.com › 2016 › 10 › 05 › politics › obama-race-relations-poll › index.html Most say race relations worsened under Obama, poll finds - CNN Oct 5, 2016Overall, 54% say relations between blacks and whites have gotten worse since Obama became president, including 57% of whites and 40% of blacks. That's up sharply compared with last June, when 43 ... https://thefederalistpapers.org › us › five-ways-obama-made-race-relations-in-america-even-worse Five Ways Obama Made Race Relations in America Even Worse On Monday, President Barack Obama claimed that his presidency has been a boon for race relations in America, but our evidence suggests otherwise. Advertisement - story continues below. "One of the things that I've consistently said as president is that I'm the president of all people," Obama said during an interview with NBC News host ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 https://townhall.com › columnists › johndempsey › 2018 › 11 › 01 › obama-created-the-political-division-not-trump-n2533740 Obama Created the Political Division, Not Trump - Townhall Nov 1, 2018The Case for Donald Trump 2024. Former President Obama created a massive political divide between the left and the right we see today. His attacks against the right-wingers created an emboldened ... https://www.heritage.org › political-process › commentary › obamas-legacy-weaker-and-more-divided-america Obama's Legacy Is a Weaker and More Divided America In his farewell speech-cum-lecture earlier this month, President Barack Obama proclaimed that he made America better by "almost every measure.". The statement goes far beyond optimism, and ... https://thefederalist.com › 2016 › 07 › 13 › how-obama-left-us-more-racially-divided-than-ever How Obama Left Us More Racially Divided Than Ever This is due to his failure to understand two critical truths: 1) Unequal outcomes do not constitute proof of discrimination. Thus policies attempting to produce equal results between groups ... https://nationalinterest.org › feature › barack-obama-the-great-divider-17791 Barack Obama: The Great Divider | The National Interest Barack Obama: The Great Divider. Even if Obama cannot solve America's race problem, the power of the presidency ensures that he can make it worse. So far, he has. Had the Obama years turned out ... https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › barack-obama › deep-racial-divide-remains-under-obama-n186211 Deep Racial Divide Remains Under Obama - NBC News America's racial divide not only remains but has deepened in some ways over the last six years, despite hopes President Obama's election would usher in a "post-racial" America. IE 11 is ... https://thepoliticalinsider.com › 20-reasons-obama-most-divisive-president-history 20 Reasons Why Obama Was the Most Divisive President In History Nothing angers her more than the Nanny State and taxes. Prior to making the jump to political writing she worked in web marketing and sports writing; now she utilizes the skills gained in those industries to broaden the impact of conservative media and fight back against political correctness and liberal elitism. https://www.usnews.com › news › politics › articles › 2017-01-19 › president-barack-obamas-legacy-a-country-still-divided President Barack Obama's Legacy: A Country Still Divided | Politics ... From Hope and Change to a Country Still Divided. Barack Obama entered the White House with big goals, but leaves a legacy that's only partly positive. U.S. President Barack Obama waves to ... https://www.cnn.com › 2016 › 10 › 05 › politics › obama-race-relations-poll › index.html Most say race relations worsened under Obama, poll finds - CNN Oct 5, 2016Overall, 54% say relations between blacks and whites have gotten worse since Obama became president, including 57% of whites and 40% of blacks. That's up sharply compared with last June, when 43 ... https://www.usatoday.com › story › news › politics › onpolitics › 2018 › 09 › 10 › conservatives-attack-obama-speech › 1254935002 Barack Obama sowed the division that led to Trump ... - USA TODAY Sep 10, 2018Fox Business host Stuart Varney called it a "stretch" for Obama to take credit for the economy. "Today's stellar 4 percent growth is clearly the result of tax cuts and deregulation. That's Trump ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: Fuck it. Split the country. Give Trump the south and give Bernie the north. Let Texas be its own country no, that's stupid. Give him all the states he won outright, then give him all the states he would have won except for voter fraud. He won't miss the other states, aren't that many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan1 Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Ohio voted for trump. We get about 80 percent of the country. Better move! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 hours ago, MLD Woody said: That's not true at all and thoughts like yours are very much party of the problem. I wouldn't put Fox as low as Ammooand either. Seems many here not only have a poor perception of bias but also a poor perception of legitimacy. Whether you want to admit it or not CNN (or Fox) has to operate at a higher standard than Ammoland. Which actually makes them more Despicable than Ammoland. At least with them you know it's a right wing yeehaw God Bless America site. Nyt pretends to be an impartial news Outlet. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan1 Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Friend, Ever since our incredible movement began, the Democrats, the Fake News Media and the ELITES have been against us. And over the past few months, they have taken their radicalism to a whole new UN-AMERICAN level. They’ve allowed MILLIONS of Illegal Aliens to POUR across the border. They’ve destroyed our economy. They’ve diminished our American Values. They’ve ruined women’s sports. They’ve attacked our children’s classrooms with Critical Race Theory, and they will stop at nothing to ruin our beautiful country… As your President, I always put the safety and prosperity of America FIRST, and whether they liked it or not, I MADE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. Now it’s time to SAVE AMERICA. Democrats are raising MILLIONS off of lies and we need every patriot to step up at this critical moment to FIGHT BACK. If every patriot who gets this email donates just $50, we will have the LARGEST FUNDRAISING DAY IN POLITICAL HISTORY. You could be the FIRST name on the donor list my team hands me, Friend. Please make a contribution of $50 IN THE NEXT 3 HOURS to be one of the first to have your name on the printed donor list that my team hands me. CONTRIBUTE $250 >> CONTRIBUTE $100 >>CONTRIBUTE $50 >>CONTRIBUTE $25 >>CONTRIBUTE ANY AMOUNT >> We must SAVE AMERICA NOW, before it’s too late. This isn’t about the Democrats, the Fake News Media or the Elites, and quite frankly, it’s not even about me - it’s about YOU, the American People. THIS IS YOUR COUNTRY, NOT THEIRS! Please make a contribution of $50 IN THE NEXT 3 HOURS and we can have the LARGEST FUNDRAISING DAY IN POLITICAL HISTORY. >>Thank you,Donald J. Trump YOUR President Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 4 hours ago, MLD Woody said: That's not true at all and thoughts like yours are very much party of the problem. I wouldn't put Fox as low as Ammooand either. Seems many here not only have a poor perception of bias but also a poor perception of legitimacy. Whether you want to admit it or not CNN (or Fox) has to operate at a higher standard than Ammoland. I agree with Steve. The only real difference between those publications is the level of education they are targeting. Pretty much all legacy media is struggling because there has been increasing pressure to publish increasingly narrow, approved narratives. I personally first noticed it during Obama's presidency with the infamous "fist bump or terrorist fist-jab?" headline. Unfortunately, legacy media struggled with the spread of social media, and they followed the Fox News playbook to even greater success from 2016 on. The author of the article brings up legitimate points, but it's annoying to try and find them when most of this excerpt is spent fearmongering about Trump and the people who support him. Independent media is the way to go. For example, this article Peter Zeihan wrote 4 years ago, comes to similar conclusions without having to blame the people who don't agree with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 https://redstate.com/levon/2022/07/02/wwii-veteran-breaks-down-in-tears-the-things-we-fought-for-the-boys-that-died-for-it-its-all-gone-down-the-drain-n587731 WWII Veteran Breaks Down in Tears: 'The Things We Fought For, The Boys That Died for It, It's All Gone Down the Drain' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 hours ago, VaporTrail said: I agree with Steve. The only real difference between those publications is the level of education they are targeting. Pretty much all legacy media is struggling because there has been increasing pressure to publish increasingly narrow, approved narratives. I personally first noticed it during Obama's presidency with the infamous "fist bump or terrorist fist-jab?" headline. Unfortunately, legacy media struggled with the spread of social media, and they followed the Fox News playbook to even greater success from 2016 on. The author of the article brings up legitimate points, but it's annoying to try and find them when most of this excerpt is spent fearmongering about Trump and the people who support him. Independent media is the way to go. For example, this article Peter Zeihan wrote 4 years ago, comes to similar conclusions without having to blame the people who don't agree with him. I'm not disagreeing that they're struggling. I'm not disagreeing that they're going for more sensational headlines to draw viewers (which has happened for a very long time, but you can't say it's gotten worse). I'm not even saying they aren't biased (at whatever level that is). I'm saying the publications are held to a different standard. Fox isn't Ammoland. CNN isn't ... whatever left wing Ammoland is, Slate? Idk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan1 Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 3 hours ago, MLD Woody said: I'm not disagreeing that they're struggling. I'm not disagreeing that they're going for more sensational headlines to draw viewers (which has happened for a very long time, but you can't say it's gotten worse). I'm not even saying they aren't biased (at whatever level that is). I'm saying the publications are held to a different standard. Fox isn't Ammoland. CNN isn't ... whatever left wing Ammoland is, Slate? Idk. Getting any pussy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 4 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said: Getting any pussy? only when he changes costumes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 17 hours ago, calfoxwc said: no, that's stupid. Give him all the states he won outright, then give him all the states he would have won except for voter fraud. He won't miss the other states, aren't that many. And therein lies your whole problem. Neither courts nor DOJ nor even that crazy Sydney now ever found the voter fraud it would take to even make one of those states close to being won by Trump. Evidence never supported it and despite all your crazy posts, never will. You are now a part of his unconstitutional attempt to remain in power because he really is so nuts he can't face being a loser. Stop participating in that delusion and get yourself back to your oath to the Constitution, an oath he has never even attempted to uphold his entire life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 'DOWN THE DRAIN' WWII vet breaks down, says America is no longer the ‘country we fought for' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 On 7/1/2022 at 7:38 PM, mjp28 said: Will this country EVER come back to one country ? Or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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