Westside Steve Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 This argument has been going back and forth for a long long time and I doubt it's going to change. I just wanted to point out this one factor that seems to be overlooked. It seems increasingly obvious that the Democrats enjoy this issue as a political wedge, maybe the Republicans to but... Take note if the shooter is white they scream about racism white supremacy and domestic terrorism. If the shooter is Hispanic they scream about gun control and other measures which probably have nothing to do with what happened. The shooter and the victims are black they overlook it. B l m only when it's a black criminal shot by a white police officer. But this is the reason for this post. Shooters are almost always young. Kids suck. And they have sucked worse over the last number of years because more and more are products of single-family or otherwise broken homes and rarely supervized. They are also products of the new "awakened" education system in which teachers and school systems are sued and or fired for even attempting to discipline the little bastards. Not to mention the fact that crazy people get to become internet celebrities for a while. Thoughts? WSS ps I don't think the Liberals really want their core complaints addressed background checks waiting periods smaller capacity weapons Etc because they were given much of this quite a while ago and the problem hasn't changed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Westside Steve Posted May 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 58 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said: Unfortunately like most legalese from the 18th century "well regulated " is pretty vague. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 When you have zero regards for the sanctity of human life, the idea that gun control would stop this is asinine. You may as well take all knives out of kitchens too. Repair the family and how we view every life. Stop glorifying violence in every aspect of our lives. Instead of sending 40 billions to Ukraine use it to protect our future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 [citation needed] This thread, the other thread, it's exhausting, disappointing, and depressing. You can't go after liberals for "keeping score" while doing it yourselves. Fuck whatever color or ethnicity a mass shooter is. If they were radicalized in some way, acknowledge it. If there are systemic issues leading to the violence, address them. But ultimately it's this country's perversion with guns and the powers that be continuing this cycle. Around and around we go while people yell about something written over 200 years ago when muskets were prevalent. And while gun Lobbyists fill their pockets. While the rest of the developed world puts up travel alerts to go to our own cities... "We're not Australia". Yeah, too bad for us We're a shit hole country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 33 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: Fuck whatever color or ethnicity a mass shooter is. I agree. Too bad the MSM doesn’t pass on the opportunity to blast “white supremacy” whenever the shooter is a Caucasian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 44 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: [citation needed] This thread, the other thread, it's exhausting, disappointing, and depressing. You can't go after liberals for "keeping score" while doing it yourselves. Fuck whatever color or ethnicity a mass shooter is. If they were radicalized in some way, acknowledge it. If there are systemic issues leading to the violence, address them. But ultimately it's this country's perversion with guns and the powers that be continuing this cycle. Around and around we go while people yell about something written over 200 years ago when muskets were prevalent. And while gun Lobbyists fill their pockets. While the rest of the developed world puts up travel alerts to go to our own cities... "We're not Australia". Yeah, too bad for us We're a shit hole country We are still the greatest nation on earth. Thanks for showing your true colors. GTFO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 Not my intention to rehash the entire gun control debate. Wanted to point out the different ways the press and the politicians react to these things. And I did want to add the extra facet of everyone ignoring the age of the most of the shooters. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 moron birdgirl said: Around and around we go while people yell about something written over 200 years ago when muskets were prevalent. And while gun Lobbyists fill their pockets. While the rest of the developed world puts up travel alerts to go to our own cities..."We're not Australia". Yeah, too bad for usWe're a shit hole country ****************************************************** again? you using mental health violent crimes over your stupidass "look at me" politics??? people who act out in violence with guns, do the same with cars and knives, AGAIN. and illegal bombs. If you took guns from every decent gun owner in America (never going to happen), violent people will still get illegal guns. We don't have all the facts - the shooter was 18 - last name "Ramos"...was he in a gang? illegal? Mentally ill? America is the greatest country on the planet, moron. If the shooter ran over kids and teachers in a big playground with a car, would you blame America's "car culture" ??? and, flapping your moronic feathers about other countries warning about violent crime in our cities - those cities are very well figured to be long-standing LIBERAL DEMOCRAT RUN CITIES. Giuliani made NYC safe. Guess what. Now it is a hell hole. DEMOCRATS. Woodpecker, you would have at least a little credibility, if you ran your bicycle down and up a ramp and landed in a frozen pond and "wondered what happened". You would blame the bike manufacturer, surely. since you ususally sissy-bitch about every link, here are several you should try to have someone read for you: ************************************ https://www.dailysignal.com › 2018 › 03 › 13 › 5-ways-obamas-discipline-policy-made-schools-less-effective-safe 5 Ways Obama's Discipline Policy Made Schools Less Effective and Safe 1.) Schools Feared Investigation, Adopted Lower Standards for Discipline. Gail Heriot, a University of San Diego School of Law professor and member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, was part ... https://www.intellectualtakeout.org › article › obamas-anti-discipline-policies-set-our-students-failure Obama's Anti-Discipline Policies Set Our Students Up for Failure An article in Education Week earlier this year, titled "When Students Assault Teachers, Effects Can Be Lasting," discusses the widespread assaults of teachers across the country: "In the 2015-16 school year, 5.8 percent of the nation's 3.8 million teachers were physically attacked by a student. https://nypost.com › 2017 › 12 › 23 › obamas-lax-discipline-policies-made-schools-dangerous Obama's lax discipline policies made schools dangerous Dec 23, 2017But a former St. Paul, Minn., science teacher, who was "beaten and choked out" by a 16-year-old black student, blames the discipline policies, which he says are "preferential towards African ... https://townhall.com › columnists › sheriffdavidclarkeret › 2019 › 11 › 23 › obamas-deadly-school-discipline-policy-n2556756 Obama's Deadly School Discipline Policy - Townhall Nov 23, 2019Thankfully Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos announced in December of 2018 that she rescinded the dangerous Obama-era policy on lenient school discipline requirements. That was a good start. But ... https://www.dailysignal.com › 2018 › 10 › 03 › obamas-anti-discipline-policies-set-our-students-up-for-failure Obama's Anti-Discipline Policies Set Our Students Up for Failure In Minnesota, a 2016 bill would have required school boards to automatically expel a student who threatened or inflicted bodily harm on a teacher for up to a year. https://www.washingtontimes.com › news › 2018 › mar › 21 › obama-school-discipline-directive-fueling-classroo Obama school discipline directive fueling classroom chaos Mar 21, 2018President Barack Obama speaks before signing the "Every Student Succeeds Act," a major education law setting U.S. public schools on a new course of accountability, Thursday, Dec. 10, 2015, in .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 How many political maneuverings can we get out of this tragedy?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 41 minutes ago, Kvoethe said: How many political maneuverings can we get out of this tragedy?? Along with other unanswerable wedge questions including abortion and climate change the possibilities sir, are endless. Unfortunately. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 48 minutes ago, Kvoethe said: How many political maneuverings can we get out of this tragedy?? who knows, these shootings are horrific and a heartbreak. But piling on politically about our 2nd Amendment is really stupid. The real answers have to do with why kids are lashing out in violence. Kids are isolated emotionally more and more - by social media involvement and harrassment, and covid restrictions.... Some kid at that latest school said the Ramos kid murderer/shooter started going dark about two years ago, when covid hit. Like other shootings, the shooters gave out big signs by their behavior in school, and ramblings on social media...etc. I posted about obaMao's program back then, when a kid had made threats, over time, was in a lot of trouble, but they just kept protecting him from consequences until finally he did the terrible shootings. My best idea? is to train school psychologists to develop programs in schools for unhappy students, to try to help those students with serious mental issues, or who are having some emotional issues about hate, anger, social, whatever. The process of self-actualization is complex overall. I believe social media and liberal attitudes in schools make it very tough to accomplish. Not knowing who you are, what you believe in, how you can grow as a human being, Without legit socialization skills, problem solving and self-actualization skills, kids are lost. No moral code, they hate everything and eventually, go sick and violent. What tool they use is a non-factor in solving the problem. I mean, look at woodpecker, tex and whoorta..... Like has been said - older kids could buy a gun back in the day, they didn't have shootings like this. They have social media and liberal indoctrination instead. They use to have strong family structure, morals, work ethic, strong social skills, and constructive outlets for frustrations. Now, they have liberal make believe "don't believe in anything"....etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Kvoethe said: How many political maneuverings can we get out of this tragedy?? How many tragedies can we get out of politics? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 You have to look at the common denominators...mentally ill and male. I think the issue boils down to mental illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Vambo said: You have to look at the common denominators...mentally ill and male. I think the issue boils down to mental illness. That's why it will be impossible to stop. Anyone of us on this board could, if we were crazy, stick a couple of perfectly legal or illegal weapons under our belts walk into a Walmart or a mall or a school and start firing. Insanity isn't logical the doctors can't really control it or even figure it out and unless somebody is howling at the moon straight jacket crazy he will likely not have crossed paths with any psychological professionals. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: That's why it will be impossible to stop. Anyone of us on this board could, if we were crazy, stick a couple of perfectly legal or illegal weapons under our belts walk into a Walmart or a mall or a school and start firing. Insanity isn't logical the doctors can't really control it or even figure it out and unless somebody is howling at the moon straight jacket crazy he will likely not have crossed paths with any psychological professionals. WSS This kid was kinda howling at the moon...just before he posted he was going to shoot his grandmother and then after he posted he did kill her then he posted he was going to shoot up a school... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vambo said: This kid was kinda howling at the moon... But as far as I know you can't buy a handgun at 18 in Texas can you? So we already broke the law regardless of how crazy he was. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: That's why it will be impossible to stop. Anyone of us on this board could, if we were crazy, stick a couple of perfectly legal or illegal weapons under our belts walk into a Walmart or a mall or a school and start firing. Insanity isn't logical the doctors can't really control it or even figure it out and unless somebody is howling at the moon straight jacket crazy he will likely not have crossed paths with any psychological professionals. WSS Just because some think it will be impossible to stop, doesn't mean we shouldn't try... It just may be time to redefine the meaning of the 2nd amendment. I doubt the Founding Fathers had any conception of weapons that in the wrong hands could single handedly take out 15-20 people in short order. Don't give me the crap that "if they take away our guns, people will use knives or baseball bats" either. No way those could be used for a mass extinction of the populace before the cops got there. Speaking of the cops... Even they're getting worried about going into an active shooter situation and getting outgunned. Sheeze, some of the Buffalo victims aren't even buried yet.. And now we have more kiddie carnage brought to you courtesy of the NRA. Have you hugged your AR-15 today? And in reply to we're not Australia... Right you are- you think they don't have mental illness there? The difference? There's no other country in the world having at least 400,000,000 guns lying around in civilian hands. PS- Yeah, the Texas kid had no criminal record. Or you forget what I opined a few days ago? You need to take a test to be able to drive a car. But if you're 18 you can walk into a gun store, and buy as many weapons as your heart desires. Sort of ironic, or prophetic Steve. Take your pick. 1 minute ago, Westside Steve said: But as far as I know you can't buy a handgun at 18 in Texas can you? So we already broke the law regardless of how crazy he was. WSS Yeah Steve- the old and very tired saw... When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, hoorta said: Yeah Steve- the old and very tired saw... When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. They are the ones committing crimes not LAW ABIDING CITIZENS...what good would all the gun control do for the guy who drove over those people killing them? Evil will find a way to commit evil... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: But as far as I know you can't buy a handgun at 18 in Texas can you? So we already broke the law regardless of how crazy he was. WSS U.S. DISTURBING MESSAGES: Suspected gunman made 3 posts on Facebook before unleashing on school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 U.S. Man arrested after threatening mass violence at elementary school, authorities say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 Give me any good reason, a just turned 18 year old, needed to be sold any type of assault rifle? https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-shooter-bought-gun-legally/ Start by fixing your state laws... Myles Garrett, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, gumby73 said: Give me any good reason, a just turned 18 year old, needed to be sold any type of assault rifle? https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-shooter-bought-gun-legally/ Start by fixing your state laws... 5 people are dead and 40 injured after a driver speeds through a Wisconsin parade https://www.npr.org/2021/11/21/1057830499/an-suv-sped-through-a-parade-in-downtown-waukesha-wis-injuring-participants Give me any good reason, a just turned 18 year old, needed to be sold any type of assault motor vehicle? Start by fixing your state laws... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan1 Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 A 9mm semi auto with a large clip can shoot just as many and as fast as a fake AR15 semi auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 12 hours ago, MLD Woody said: [citation needed] This thread, the other thread, it's exhausting, disappointing, and depressing. You can't go after liberals for "keeping score" while doing it yourselves. Fuck whatever color or ethnicity a mass shooter is. If they were radicalized in some way, acknowledge it. If there are systemic issues leading to the violence, address them. But ultimately it's this country's perversion with guns and the powers that be continuing this cycle. Around and around we go while people yell about something written over 200 years ago when muskets were prevalent. And while gun Lobbyists fill their pockets. While the rest of the developed world puts up travel alerts to go to our own cities... "We're not Australia". Yeah, too bad for us We're a shit hole country The first amendment couldn't possibly have forseen the unaccountable hate machine that is the internet. It's damaged society far more than any other single thing that's existed in my life. Guess we had better get rid of the first amendment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 34 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said: A 9mm semi auto with a large clip can shoot just as many and as fast as a fake AR15 semi auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said: The first amendment couldn't possibly have forseen the unaccountable hate machine that is the internet. It's damaged society far more than any other single thing that's existed in my life. Guess we had better get rid of the first amendment. The ability to speak to more people carries different weight than the ability to murder more people But if you want to UPDATE, not remove, the first amendment within the context of current communication abilities, go for it Let's do the same for the second amendment Let's not tell ourselves the lie that a group of guys wrote a perfect document in stone 200+ years ago that's infallible. That's fucking idiotic. They even built in ways to change it and we have morons acting like it's perfect for all time. Your attempt at a gotcha doesn't work here. Go ahead, update it for modern times. I won't stop you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 In an effort to pull any blame off of guns a certain group wants to point at literally anything else. Here it's mental health, as if we're that much different than other developed countries. Ok, let's look at mental health. Oh, we don't even have universal healthcare? Let alone mental health? We're severely lacking in many public good policies while propping up bloated military spending? Yeah? You don't want to address our blindingly fucking obvious gun problem? You want to point to mental health? Then fucking support universal healthcare. We're a shit hole country. And too many of you are keeping us there. Loving your court doesn't mean turning a blind eye to it's problems This whole conversation is so fucking tiring. Will have to see which kids get shot next, and y'all can what-about to your hearts content. I'm sure the parents of those dead students appreciate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: The ability to speak to more people carries different weight than the ability to murder more people But if you want to UPDATE, not remove, the first amendment within the context of current communication abilities, go for it Let's do the same for the second amendment Let's not tell ourselves the lie that a group of guys wrote a perfect document in stone 200+ years ago that's infallible. That's fucking idiotic. They even built in ways to change it and we have morons acting like it's perfect for all time. Your attempt at a gotcha doesn't work here. Go ahead, update it for modern times. I won't stop you. That mean old gun made them do it...it wasn't that their mind was crazy, dude you should go live in another country I bet within a year you'll be crying to come back here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 I don't give a fuck what happens to guns to be perfectly honest. I'm not a big gun guy. I have a .45 carbine socked away with a trigger lock in a locked cases behind a locked attic door. Useless for self defense because it would take me at least fifteen minutes to get it out, loaded and ready to shoot and that is if I can find all the keys straight away. So if they totally banned the sale of ar-15s and all scary looking guns it would make exactly no difference to me. The internet however demonstrably fucks people's brains up all day every day. It's a combination of factors that we're all taking a very laissez-faire attitude about all of which desperately need to be addressed far more than making sure some transexual cosplay fetishist doesn't hear a triggering pronoun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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