MLD Woody Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 No? -> You agree with AOC Yes? -> You agree with Pelosi Where do our MAGA people stand? Real interested in seeing the responses... This should be one we all agree on, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 Undecided. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 Gee Wiz I thought you were all upset about us versus them. I would imagine there are things that I agree at work disagree with no matter who you pick but my answer is yes. Even if you are answer is yes Woody. I have never actually been one hundred percent comfortable with insider trading laws in the first place. I can see why they exist but... WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Gee Wiz I thought you were all upset about us versus them. I would imagine there are things that I agree or disagree with no matter who you pick but my answer is yes. Even if your answer is yes Woody. I have never actually been one hundred percent comfortable with insider trading laws in the first place. I can see why they exist but... WSS This isn't an "us vs them". I'm letting you know where two political figures stand on the issue. And I'm not sure if it is the broken speech to text or what but I have no idea what you actually answered ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: This isn't an "us vs them". I'm letting you know where two political figures stand on the issue. And I'm not sure if it is the broken speech to text or what but I have no idea what you actually answered ... 4 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Gee Wiz I thought you were all upset about us versus them. I would imagine there are things that I agree or disagree with no matter who you pick but my answer is yes. Even if your answer is yes Woody. I have never actually been one hundred percent comfortable with insider trading laws in the first place. I can see why they exist but... Yeah the speech-to-text does edit s*** after I hit send no idea why. But basically if you have a little gotcha about "sea you agree with Pelosi" or "Aha you agree with AOC" I'm just saying that there is probably no one that I agree or disagree with universally. The rest of it, I don't think is also hard to figure out. I think Congress people should be allowed to buy and sell stocks. And once more I've never been completely comfortable with insider trading rules. And if I happen to agree with you that's fine too. PS I just read this it's completely clear so I hope it doesn't change anything after I hit send. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: 4 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Gee Wiz I thought you were all upset about us versus them. I would imagine there are things that I agree or disagree with no matter who you pick but my answer is yes. Even if your answer is yes Woody. I have never actually been one hundred percent comfortable with insider trading laws in the first place. I can see why they exist but... Yeah the speech-to-text does edit s*** after I hit send no idea why. But basically if you have a little gotcha about "sea you agree with Pelosi" or "Aha you agree with AOC" I'm just saying that there is probably no one that I agree or disagree with universally. The rest of it, I don't think is also hard to figure out. I think Congress people should be allowed to buy and sell stocks. And once more I've never been completely comfortable with insider trading rules. And if I happen to agree with you that's fine too. PS I just read this it's completely clear so I hope it doesn't change anything after I hit send. WSS Ok so Yes. I'm surprised. I really thought this would be universally a No. Given the conservative lean to distrust government I'll be surprised if others on here are fine with then trading stocks. The pelosi and AOC thing isn't as much of a "gotcha" and just showing how a response might align with one of them. For better or worse Dems actually disagree on things (why they barely get anything done). Also a test to see if others will just refuse to respond because God forbid that means they agree with a Dem on something... which would be ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 What could possibly go wrong? 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 Al Gore's Stupendous Wealth Complicates His Climate ... https://www.huffpost.com › entry › al-gore-wealth_n_599709f2e4b0e8cc855d5c09 Al Gore has long been a knight of the movement to combat climate change. But when he returned to the national spotlight last month with his latest documentary, "An Inconvenient Sequel," he did so in gilded armor. The former vice president ― who boasted a relatively modest net worth of $1.7 million, held mostly in family farm assets, when ... Al Gore Getting Rich Spreading Global Warming Hysteria ... https://www.newsbusters.org › blogs › nb › noel-sheppard › 2007 › 10 › 03 › al-gore-getting-rich-spreading-global-warming-hysteria-medias Americans willing to look at the manmade global warming debate with any degree of impartiality and honesty are well aware that those spreading the hysteria have made a lot of money doing so, and stand to gain much more if governments mandate carbon dioxide emissions reductions. In fact, just two months ago, ABC News.com estimated soon-to-be-Nobel Laureate Al Gore's net worth at $100 million ... Al Gore wealth: How he built a $200-million fortune ... https://financialpost.com › news › how-al-gore-amassed-a-200-million-fortune-after-presidential-defeat Two weeks later, Gore exercised options, at US$7.48 a share, on 59,000 shares of Apple Inc. stock that he'd been granted for serving on the Cupertino, California-based company's board since 2003. On paper, it was about a US$30-million payday based on the company's share price on the day he claimed the options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, MLD Woody said: Ok so Yes. I'm surprised. I really thought this would be universally a No. Given the conservative lean to distrust government I'll be surprised if others on here are fine with then trading stocks. The pelosi and AOC thing isn't as much of a "gotcha" and just showing how a response might align with one of them. For better or worse Dems actually disagree on things (why they barely get anything done). Also a test to see if others will just refuse to respond because God forbid that means they agree with a Dem on something... which would be ridiculous. To go a little bit further the rule against athletes who bet on sports. Even if it's on their own team unless that athlete does something to influence the score besides trying his best what's the problem? WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 So even though the good sites were PDF downloads it appears that the United States is one of the few places in the world in which insider trading is illegal. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Westside Steve said: To go a little bit further the rule against athletes who bet on sports. Even if it's on their own team unless that athlete does something to influence the score besides trying his best what's the problem? WSS The WR on the Browns has less influence and insider information on a game of hockey than a Senator has on pretty much any stock. The imprecation is they'd be buying and selling based on their influence and insider info as well. The two situations aren't even comparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 Looks like we had some other posters pop by and not address the OP Nothing Cal? After all the ranting and raving you do when someone doesn't completely agree with you in a thread you're just going to paste your normal Google search word vomit? "Typical cal, never addresses the subject at hand. Just FEELS what he thinks is right. Knee jerk blah blah blah." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, MLD Woody said: Looks like we had some other posters pop by and not address the OPNothing Cal? After all the ranting and raving you do when someone doesn't completely agree with you in a thread you're just going to paste your normal Google search word vomit?"Typical cal, never addresses the subject at hand. Just FEELS what he thinks is right. Knee jerk blah blah blah." of course, I addressed it. At least try to act like you understand anything. Politicians who own stocks, should not vote on making policy enrich themselves. That is what your al gore did. became filthy, filthy rich off the fake man made global warming crap. Avoidance of the APPEARANCE of conflict of interest should be mandatory. But words in response don't mean anything to a moron birdbrain woodypeckerhead. He...or she...or whatever.....will just emotionally knee jerk and get into another pecker fiasco with another poster. sad - you are wired to be a woodypeckierhead til you die, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 6 hours ago, MLD Woody said: Ok so Yes. I'm surprised. I really thought this would be universally a No. Don't worry about it. It certainly wasn't the first time you've been wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 2 hours ago, MLD Woody said: The WR on the Browns has less influence and insider information on a game of hockey than a Senator has on pretty much any stock. The imprecation is they'd be buying and selling based on their influence and insider info as well. The two situations aren't even comparable. They are. Not every player has as much hands on effect but they all have some. Same with senators or members of Congress. Shoelace Joe Jackson wasn't the only person who could have affected the outcome of the World Series. wss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 7 hours ago, calfoxwc said: of course, I addressed it. At least try to act like you understand anything. Politicians who own stocks, should not vote on making policy enrich themselves. That is what your al gore did. became filthy, filthy rich off the fake man made global warming crap. Avoidance of the APPEARANCE of conflict of interest should be mandatory. But words in response don't mean anything to a moron birdbrain woodypeckerhead. He...or she...or whatever.....will just emotionally knee jerk and get into another pecker fiasco with another poster. sad - you are wired to be a woodypeckierhead til you die, apparently. You did not respond. You vomited out negative links about someone you don't like and disagree with. That is not a response. It sounds like you're not really taking a stand. You're just saying politicians should 'do the right thing". No doubt leaving the door open so you can defend Republicans that own stocks but attack Dems that do. Is that where you stand? "Yes, they should be able to own stocks"? Just trying to get a straight answer out of you that doesn't immediately devolve into insults. You know, the thing you accuse anyone you disagree with of while you're blind to you doing it yourself, like in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Gorka said: Don't worry about it. It certainly wasn't the first time you've been wrong. And do you have any opinion on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Westside Steve said: They are. Not every player has as much hands on effect but they all have some. Same with senators or members of Congress. Shoelace Joe Jackson wasn't the only person who could have affected the outcome of the World Series. wss Again, you're trying to force in a metaphor that's not really the same situation. A WR, or any football player, doesn't have potentially insider information about hockey, baseball, etc. It isn't the same thing. They wouldn't have access to the type of information a Senator would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 13 hours ago, MLD Woody said: Ok so Yes. I'm surprised. I really thought this would be universally a No. Given the conservative lean to distrust government I'll be surprised if others on here are fine with then trading stocks. I differentiate between government and those that run it. I distrust many who run it, and so should you. The pelosi and AOC thing isn't as much of a "gotcha" and just showing how a response might align with one of them. For better or worse Dems actually disagree on things (why they barely get anything done). In most cases it's for the better. Also a test to see if others will just refuse to respond because God forbid that means they agree with a Dem on something... which would be ridiculous. Time to come down off your perch of liberal superiority. You shouldn't be testing anyone. Should there ever come a day when AOC gets something right, I'd give her credit. Did you forget the times we agreed with ultra lib Bill Maher? Based on a simple Google search of this topic, that donkey faced idiot just may be right. Oct 22, 2020 — Congressional insider trading has long been a hot issue, and lawmakers continue to look for a way to put an end to the practice. U.S. Senators' Use of Political Inside Information Is 'Tip of the ... https://www.riaintel.com › article › us-senators-use-of-poli... Insider trading and Congress: How lawmakers get rich from ... https://www.cnbc.com › 2020/10/22 › insider-trading-a... Mar 26, 2021 — There are many more legislators, politicians, and selected market participants who have access to the same information but do not have to ... Congress Cashes in on Insider Trading - RepresentUs https://represent.us › action › insider-trading It's appalling. Insider trading is a criminal offense for most Americans, but these trades were 100% legal for the members of Congress who used positions as “ ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gorka said: Should there ever come a day when AOC gets something right, I'd give her credit. Did you forget the times we agreed with ultra lib Bill Maher? Based on a simple Google search of this topic, that donkey faced idiot just may be right. Oct 22, 2020 — Congressional insider trading has long been a hot issue, and lawmakers continue to look for a way to put an end to the practice. U.S. Senators' Use of Political Inside Information Is 'Tip of the ... https://www.riaintel.com › article › us-senators-use-of-poli... Insider trading and Congress: How lawmakers get rich from ... https://www.cnbc.com › 2020/10/22 › insider-trading-a... Mar 26, 2021 — There are many more legislators, politicians, and selected market participants who have access to the same information but do not have to ... Congress Cashes in on Insider Trading - RepresentUs https://represent.us › action › insider-trading It's appalling. Insider trading is a criminal offense for most Americans, but these trades were 100% legal for the members of Congress who used positions as “ ... Well hey, maybe we can agree on this then, along with AOC. Maher's job is to talk. Talk enough and someone will find something they agree with. I'd hardly call him an "ultra lib" though. Based on the increased frequency of his clips getting posted here (and the content if those clips) he seems to be trying to align a little better with a new audience, probably for business reasons. One that just happens to have some crossover with conservatives here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 4 hours ago, MLD Woody said: Again, you're trying to force in a metaphor that's not really the same situation. A WR, or any football player, doesn't have potentially insider information about hockey, baseball, etc. It isn't the same thing. They wouldn't have access to the type of information a Senator would. Now you're just bickering for bickering sake. As a matter of fact a single football player could potentially have more outcome influence than any single congressperson. And would potentially have more inside information about his own team. The appearance of or potential for impropriety impropriety is not a impropriety. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 23 hours ago, MLD Woody said: Also a test to see if others will just refuse to respond because God forbid that means they agree with a Dem on something... which would be ridiculous. DieHard must have forgotten to check this guys political affiliation. God Bless Joe Manchin - POLITICAL DISCUSSION - THE BROWNS BOARD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Gorka said: DieHard must have forgotten to check this guys political affiliation. God Bless Joe Manchin - POLITICAL DISCUSSION - THE BROWNS BOARD The loosest example of a Dem out there. Not to mention DH isn't nearly as right wing as his troll persona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 7 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Now you're just bickering for bickering sake. As a matter of fact a single football player could potentially have more outcome influence than any single congressperson. And would potentially have more inside information about his own team. The appearance of or potential for impropriety impropriety is not a impropriety. WSS His own team, yes. I know. They can't bet in their own sport. That's the point. But they can in others, because they don't influence or have insider info on those sports. There aren't necessarily multiple "sports" for politicians. It's all just insider info for buying stocks. It's all the government and the economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 No..they can stack the deck..but they would work through 3rd parties and shell accounts..so its pointless to legislate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 16 hours ago, MLD Woody said: His own team, yes. I know. They can't bet in their own sport. That's the point. But they can in others, because they don't influence or have insider info on those sports. There aren't necessarily multiple "sports" for politicians. It's all just insider info for buying stocks. It's all the government and the economy. Nor is 1 Senators vote likely to be the make-or-break on any particular bill that might possibly enich him. But if Baker Mayfield that's on the Browns and plays his absolute best what's the problem? And don't be a sucker politicians and Rich themselves constantly just because of their position of power. Look at the money they have coming in and the money they have going out and check their salary. So saying they don't have the right to invest like any other American is a little bit hypocritical. As per usual WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Westside Steve said: So saying they don't have the right to invest like any other American is a little bit hypocritical. As per usual no - they do invest, it's the making votes to enrich themselves because of their investments that is the problem. Nancy Pelosi Defends Lawmakers Who Get Rich Off Stock ... https://news.yahoo.com › nancy-pelosi-defends-lawmakers-rich-170643326.html It's not hard to see why she might feel that way. The California Democrat's husband, Paul Pelosi, is a venture capitalist who made a cool $5 million this summer through big-tech stock shortly before a House vote on antitrust legislation.. According to Insider, dozens in Congress held stock in Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer in 2020, while the legislative branch doled out billions to help the ... Obama, Biden cronies made billions off China trade deals ... https://www.foxbusiness.com › politics › obama-biden-cronies-made-billions-off-china-trade-deals-and-regulatory-policies-report Former President Barack Obama used his executive powers to impose industry regulations that lowered the value of certain companies and led to financial gains for a firm owned by two close family ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Nor is 1 Senators vote likely to be the make-or-break on any particular bill that might possibly enich him. But if Baker Mayfield that's on the Browns and plays his absolute best what's the problem? And don't be a sucker politicians and Rich themselves constantly just because of their position of power. Look at the money they have coming in and the money they have going out and check their salary. So saying they don't have the right to invest like any other American is a little bit hypocritical. As per usual WSS A senator doesn't have to be voting on something, or be the deciding vote, to make money on stocks. Example, covid. Those in our government probably knew what was coming before the general population did. If they sold off stocks and reacted ahead of time, that's "cheating" in this case. I think pelosi (or her husband) did that. Others too. Why is it hypocritical? Using the definition of hypocritical can you say how? It isn't. I'm saying they shouldn't be able to own stocks based on their position. It should be a consequence of the job they chose to pursue. That isn't hypocritical. That's not how that word works.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: A senator doesn't have to be voting on something, or be the deciding vote, to make money on stocks. Example, covid. Those in our government probably knew what was coming before the general population did. If they sold off stocks and reacted ahead of time, that's "cheating" in this case. I think pelosi (or her husband) did that. Others too. Why is it hypocritical? Using the definition of hypocritical can you say how? It isn't. I'm saying they shouldn't be able to own stocks based on their position. It should be a consequence of the job they chose to pursue. That isn't hypocritical. That's not how that word works.... Hypocritical just because you don't give a s*** how filthy rich your fake socialists become in office. And then pretend to be pure about owning stocks which every citizen is allowed to do. And your Utopia can I own mutual funds? Invest their money in the bank? Buy a Martin guitar which might go up in value? Have a stamp or coin collection? Are they allowed to profit from political rulings or not? Also what makes you think these people have more inside knowledge than anybody else? And what makes you think, despite the fact I don't really trust politicians but I don't trust a lot of people, that they would use that information for ill gotten gains even if they did? WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Hypocritical just because you don't give a s*** how filthy rich your fake socialists become in office. And then pretend to be pure about owning stocks which every citizen is allowed to do. And your Utopia can I own mutual funds? Invest their money in the bank? Buy a Martin guitar which might go up in value? Have a stamp or coin collection? Are they allowed to profit from political rulings or not? Also what makes you think these people have more inside knowledge than anybody else? And what makes you think, despite the fact I don't really trust politicians but I don't trust a lot of people, that they would use that information for ill gotten gains even if they did? WSS Oh boy, a flurry of questions. Lovely. I literally just called out Pelosi. I don't care what the political leaning is of the politician if they're gaming the system. I didn't saying anything about what an average citizen can do. The bulk of you post is just word vomit that has 0 to do with the concept at hand. But you know that and you're doing it on purpose. If you're now arguing that a senator has just as much insider info as an every day citizen I think we've hit the point in this back and forth where it's truly pointless. Congrats, you did it again. You said something so asinine, so objectively false, that there's no way we're coming back. So reply to this post because I know you can't help yourself. Say you've won and I'm running because you can't help yourself. Whatever gets you through the day. Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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