Canton Dawg Posted January 28, 2022 Report Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, jbluhm86 said: If I could swap out my Honda for a Ferrari it'd be a no brainer for me as well, but unfortunately for Berry and myself, reality has a pesky way of snuffing out pipe-dreams. What a buzzkill JB! I was hoping we would get Tom Brady, and have Aaron Rodgers as his backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 28, 2022 Report Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, jbluhm86 said: If I could swap out my Honda for a Ferrari it'd be a no brainer for me as well, but unfortunately for Berry and myself, reality has a pesky way of snuffing out pipe-dreams. Carr a Ferrari? That's a pretty generous assessment. You should be working for Ganley. But I got to love a guy who keeps his dreams so modest. Kind of like taking a ride through Bedford and getting choked up by the 1150 square foot two bed 1 bath bungalow. 😃 WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 28, 2022 Report Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, jbluhm86 said: If I could swap out my Honda for a Ferrari it'd be a no brainer for me as well, but unfortunately for Berry and myself, reality has a pesky way of snuffing out pipe-dreams. Mayfield a Honda? That's a pretty generous assessment. Hondas perform well every day. 😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 29, 2022 Report Share Posted January 29, 2022 11 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Mayfield a Honda? That's a pretty generous assessment. Hondas perform well every day. 😉 More like a Yugo or a Chevy Nova (which in South America was a joke because "no va" means doesn't go in Spanish).🚗💥💨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 29, 2022 Report Share Posted January 29, 2022 13 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Mayfield a Honda? That's a pretty generous assessment. Hondas perform well every day. 😉 Gave up my caddy for my Honda. I miss a heavier car and AWD, but damn it's way cheaper to maintain and better on gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 29, 2022 Report Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, tiamat63 said: Gave up my caddy for my Honda. I miss a heavier car and AWD, but damn it's way cheaper to maintain and better on gas. Had a Honda for 11 years, it got totaled and got a Subaru. I may never buy another brand of car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted January 29, 2022 Report Share Posted January 29, 2022 Mazda is actually more reliable than honda or toyota now across the lineup, their chassis are infinitely better, and arguably best of all, no Mazda uses the terrible, horrible, no-good CVT. I bought a Honda new in 05, drove it 15 years and 300k, but i recently switched to the cx5 with the turbo and it's a superior drive. [Even got $750 from the dealer for trading in a 2005 car..] Especially with crossclimate2 tires - I'm driving 90 miles tomorrow morning and I'll be fine even in this fun storm. They're all-seasons that are snow rated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted January 29, 2022 Report Share Posted January 29, 2022 My first new car was an '85 Honda CRX Si I put over 200k hard ass but trouble free miles on it before it was rear ended by an uninsured 17yr old. My second Honda was a 2003 Accord EX. It had 263k on it when I sold it last February when I bought my next Honda.... A 2018 Honda Civic EX. It's my wife's car and she loves it. The CVT is weird though, but in typical wife fashion, she says she feels no difference between it and a gearbox car. What the actual fuck?? I drive a 2019 Honda Ridgeline...... I'm 54 and with the way I keep vehicles, this could well be my last truck. It's the most comfortable, best driving Honda that I have ever owned. Go ahead, insert "it's not a truck" jokes down below... then go test drive one for yourself and you'll quickly shut the hell up. I also owned a 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 that I drove for a few years and then gave to my daughter for her 16th birthday. It was a quick and fairly reliable car and while it was super fun to drive, it was certainly an economy car in terms of fit and finish. Road noise was the only thing louder than the exhaust. I do like Mazda though, but they are certainly no Honda. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 29, 2022 Report Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: Mazda is actually more reliable than honda or toyota now across the lineup, their chassis are infinitely better, and arguably best of all, no Mazda uses the terrible, horrible, no-good CVT. I bought a Honda new in 05, drove it 15 years and 300k, but i recently switched to the cx5 with the turbo and it's a superior drive. [Even got $750 from the dealer for trading in a 2005 car..] Especially with crossclimate2 tires - I'm driving 90 miles tomorrow morning and I'll be fine even in this fun storm. They're all-seasons that are snow rated. I've heard good things about the newer Mazdas. Can't argue with the K series motors in my Honda though. Damn thing will probably go 300k if I take care of it. 3 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Had a Honda for 11 years, it got totaled and got a Subaru. I may never buy another brand of car. You sound like a good friend of mine. He loves his suby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted January 29, 2022 Report Share Posted January 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: Mazda is actually more reliable than honda or toyota now across the lineup, their chassis are infinitely better, and arguably best of all, no Mazda uses the terrible, horrible, no-good CVT. I bought a Honda new in 05, drove it 15 years and 300k, but i recently switched to the cx5 with the turbo and it's a superior drive. [Even got $750 from the dealer for trading in a 2005 car..] Especially with crossclimate2 tires - I'm driving 90 miles tomorrow morning and I'll be fine even in this fun storm. They're all-seasons that are snow rated. 38 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: I've heard good things about the newer Mazdas. Can't argue with the K series motors in my Honda though. Damn thing will probably go 300k if I take care of it. You sound like a good friend of mine. He loves his suby. I just bought a Mazda CX30 last year- I like it a lot. It performs and handles really well for a small SUV. I can haul things besides kids and groceries. I had a CX5 before that and I liked it. I have and had no issues with either. Has anyone tried to sell a used car now? Wow. Cost of Used cars were reported to be up 30% this past year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 29, 2022 Report Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, SdBacker80 said: I just bought a Mazda CX30 last year- I like it a lot. It performs and handles really well for a small SUV. I can haul things besides kids and groceries. I had a CX5 before that and I liked it. I have and had no issues with either. Has anyone tried to sell a used car now? Wow. Cost of Used cars were reported to be up 30% this past year. Co worker of mine said the difference between a used 4Runner with 35,000 miles and a new 4Runner with 17 miles was less than $4000... naturally he went with the new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted January 29, 2022 Report Share Posted January 29, 2022 brady retired 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 29, 2022 Report Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 hours ago, ATOM said: brady retired Yeah but maybe not though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 29, 2022 Report Share Posted January 29, 2022 If Brady does actually retire I...will miss him surprisingly a lot. He's really really grown on me in his second dynasty run and Tampa years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 11 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Had a Honda for 11 years, it got totaled and got a Subaru. I may never buy another brand of car. Got a 2018 Outback. Wife loves it because she's short and has great vision over the hood with settings that go for her and another setting for me at push of the buttons. Next one I get will be a Subaru Crosstrek in about 3 years. We'll hang on to the Outback. The dealership is always trying to fool me into trading it in. No way Jose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 10 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: Mazda is actually more reliable than honda or toyota now across the lineup, their chassis are infinitely better, and arguably best of all, no Mazda uses the terrible, horrible, no-good CVT. I bought a Honda new in 05, drove it 15 years and 300k, but i recently switched to the cx5 with the turbo and it's a superior drive. [Even got $750 from the dealer for trading in a 2005 car..] Especially with crossclimate2 tires - I'm driving 90 miles tomorrow morning and I'll be fine even in this fun storm. They're all-seasons that are snow rated. Not even close. Honda and Toyota lead reliability ratings. My Honda has the 10 speed automatic 2.0T engine. Mazda is a small company. I also have the crossclimate 2 tires. They are awesome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 47 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Got a 2018 Outback. Wife loves it because she's short and has great vision over the hood with settings that go for her and another setting for me at push of the buttons. Next one I get will be a Subaru Crosstrek in about 3 years. We'll hang on to the Outback. The dealership is always trying to fool me into trading it in. No way Jose. I have the Crosstek, and its plenty big enough for me. It's basically a smaller Outback, for $10,000 less and better MPG. And now it comes in the bigger engine. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Dutch Oven said: I have the Crosstek, and its plenty big enough for me. It's basically a smaller Outback, for $10,000 less and better MPG. And now it comes in the bigger engine. My buddy just bought a pearl white 2021 Crosstrek 2 weeks ago and it's pretty badass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 9 hours ago, D Bone said: My buddy just bought a pearl white 2021 Crosstrek 2 weeks ago and it's pretty badass. My cousin had a 2006 Ridgeline, which I believe was the first year of production. Ten years later, and nearly 300,000 miles on it, it still drove like a Cadillac. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: My cousin had a 2006 Ridgeline, which I believe was the first year of production. Ten years later, and nearly 300,000 miles on it, it still drove like a Cadillac. I loved caddy's until they lost their truck frame.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: My cousin had a 2006 Ridgeline, which I believe was the first year of production. Ten years later, and nearly 300,000 miles on it, it still drove like a Cadillac. It really is ridiculous what they ride like. It's far and away the best feeling Honda I have owned and the way the engine and tranny work together is unlike any automatic car that I have owned. I cross shopped it with a Tacoma, but it took less than 1 mile while test driving it and wondering if the engine had ever been formally introduced to the tranny to know that I would own a Brat, er El Camino, I mean Ridgeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Mrs. Wife has a 2015 Crosstrek that we bought new. I'm not a big fan of that transmission. My 2000 Corvette is in my driveway, under 2 car covers (with a battery maintainer plugged in). Yesterday we got about 2 feet of snow. An hour ago I finally got my snow thrower over to it and got a foot of snow off of it. (my poor baby!) Mrs. Wife's car has one garage stall and my DD 2014 Mercedes E350 has the other for the winters. I should mention, Stay away from Mercedes. The Germans put waaaay too much electronics and computers in it. Computers and sensors for friggin' EVERYTHING. When something goes wrong it's virtually impossible to fix and there's not enough money at the Mint to cover the bills. I mean, it's great, solid, quiet, smooth, all of that.......but get a Lexus if ya want a luxury car. WAaaay cheaper to fix and maintain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 I'm hoping to get some support for the next family car [~8-10y] to be the E63S wagon with the (very) big engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Not a fan of CVT's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 My last post in this thread Re: Baker. Quite possibly my last post on this board where I do film review. I went all the way back to week 1 - healthy Baker, healthy Oline, healthy receivers, etc etc. The groundwork for the way defenses played Mayfield the remainder of the year was pretty much put down by Coach Spagnola and his love of zone disguise and rotation along with CB's playing what amounts to 'muddled' zone depths. I've seen posters here reference this game as a highlight to show his ability based on the stat line - 21/28 for 321 yards. (0TD's and 1INT) Especially given that Baker was 100% this game. Well, I've watched A LOT of these past 4 years. Outside of scouts, the Browns front office and people who might be paid to do this shit (PFF), I'd be willing to venture I've put in the next most amount of time. There are good reasons I'm critical of Baker's play - he's earned it. I watched this whole game through, per the usual and I've come to a pretty sad conclusion... Baker hasn't advanced as a passer in much of any appreciable manner since 2019. The team around him, the coaches and their designs have helped to elevate his production and work to mask his weaknesses. But unless those weakness can be improved upon this upcoming off-season and the subsequent 2022 year, Baker won't be the Browns QB in 2023 with any contract that involves paying him as a top 15 passer. I didn't have to go past the first few series to find the same type of play that I highlighted from the Bears, Texans, Patriots and Ravens game(s). Baker would mis-fire on a play, the Browns coaches would adjust their calls to attack KC's designs in a manner a bit more easy for Baker to digest. By that point KC made their coverage tweaks the next go around. Enough typing, breakdown stills it is... It's an ace-based formation (equal receivers to both sides) You have Thornhill for KC #22 floating closer to the line as the boundary safety presnap. If he keys run you have an 8 man box otherwise he drops to his call. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 step straight drop (no ball fake) by Baker. Given how the corners are playing and the alignment of the safeties, it looks like a flavor of Cover 6. Coach Spaggs loves getting creative with his 2 high looks and how he moves his safeties around, this is a pretty standard call for the Chiefs. - Bakers eyes go to the boundary safety and his depth/leverage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The field corner (at the top) doesn't bump, stays in phase and picks up Jarvis in his 1/4 while Tyrann (I think?) is playing the #2 to #1. Boundary corner jams his receiver, gives Thornhill time to read the pattern to his side and is playing 1/2 field pickup. qtr/qtr/half. - Bakers eyes come back to the left and reads the corner stacked on Jarvis, see's the LB pickup Hoop in his curl/flat, but doesn't realize that within 13 yards there are only 2 defenders to match a 3 man pattern. The corner has been run out and the linebacker occupied. There are only 3 defenders to that side of the hash and the one unoccupied by a receiver is 22 yards from his throwing point. It's another version of a type of zone flood. This is an easy swing out to Chubb for free yards. Instead..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Instead Baker comes back to the middle on his double clutch after leaving his left. Funny part is, taking Andy on his little check isn't a terrible idea for 4-5 yards. But his double clutch allows the linebackers to plant and attack downhill. So you're asking a fullback to catch and shield like he's a receiver or an elite TE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Baker double clutches then throws, linebacker recovers and times his hit great on AJ.... Chubb is looking back because I'm pretty positive he was expecting this ball to be going his way at some point. Either way, that's a lot of real estate to work with giving a running back YAC to work with. This pass was incomplete by the way. - Same Drive, several plays later. - Another 2 high shell - 1 & 3 - Corners close space - 2 - inside leverage --------------------------------------------------------------------- - Chiefs with another flavor of Cover 6. Only the defender over Hoop who had inside leverage has been picked up by the route developing from the backfield. So Hoop has been turned free to the sideline. The field corner has his eyes back and isn't high hip on his man now. At this point you work with space. But this play has another issue because, as I show in the blue line, Bakers depth of drop makes life hell for protection. His back foot and body are almost 11 yards. I've mentioned this and pointed it out before, but it isn't helping the situation by any stretch. Toss in Baker leaving his primary(s) late and this offense sputters a great deal when the running game isn't having it's way. I mentioned Bakers need to stress defenders, especially corners. Playing safety it's hard to "lie" to a QB. Playing corner and you can get away with some things in certain calls, they like to lie quite a bit. But once that curl flat defender fell off, unlike last time, that should have been your throw. This is almost like daring someone to shoot in basketball because you don't have faith they'll routinely beat you. Bakers processing speed and his play style stressing the Oline lead to pass protection issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baker saved some face but escaping up and out of the pocket. But instead of moving to space and keeping his eyes downfield, he drops his eyes just long enough to pick up 8 yards on the scramble. It's positive yards and those yards help keep the offense on schedule. In a vacuum you think it's a good play until you go back to watch that this is just a weakness that can be exploited in time. Had Baker climbed the pocket, it's likely he doesn't recover to throw left and take the out, but Jarvis has cleared the corner at the bottom of the screen and Thornhill, with his eyes at the pocket, has opened his hips and is expanding back to the middle of the field. If Mayfield had gotten out of trouble and located this throw, it's big money to Jarvis on a decent lead. ----------------------------------------------- If you didn't believe me that Baker dropped his eyes a bit too much, here's my proof.... I have a couple more plays on deck, one from that same drive as above, the other from the next drive. I'll put them in the next post as they're a bit long winded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 Gun bunch, please keep in mind the safety alignment. - Boundary safety is between the numbers and hash, almost a straight line down to Chubb. - Field safety is just about on the hash. - The WILL backer in a 2pt could rush, bluff rush and/or track the back on release. If he rushes, that means either the corner will have to check and release the receiver to the safety to pick up the back or the safety will have to drop and take the cover. - There is no man defender on the point in the trips to disrupt the release. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Safety rotation looks like cover 6, but instead of the 1/2 field safety being to the field (most space) ... that would now be the boundary. A coverage flip from the above plays, in a sense. Strange because the boundary corner isn't playing any type of hard flat, barely checked his receiver, but he has eyes back yet continues up field. That boundary pattern is almost like a little smash concept. You have the back going flat to occupy the corner and you run the #2 receiver on the 7 (flag) A very popular concept until you found a lot of these D-coords who run a lot of cover 2 that found tall ass corners who can recover vertical if they got held flat and help to nuke that throw to the '7'. Either way, with no defender taking the point man, Hoop runs right up field and through the zone. The linebackers carry a bit and Juice is underneath with dealers choice. He can break that as a spot or carry it a bit further to open space and settle like he did. Baker got caught staring down the 2 high thinking that boundary safety would jump the #2 on the flag and he could sneak the post in behind it to Hooper. You'll remember a similar design burning us against the Chargers. Harrison took the cheese in 2 high, jumped the route to his side and the bolts snuck the post in behind it. Same idea, only the KC safeties are far enough off the ball and athletic enough to recover. ------------------------------------------------------------------- - It was smart for Baker to not make this throw on the post to Hoop. But the issue is he took too long to decide not to pull the trigger. - Instead of resetting in the pocket and finding Juice underneath or even Chubb open in the flat after the corner is run off (noticing the theme here????) he bails from what was a clean pocket because instead of "sensing" pressure, he simply anticipated it. KC did this quite a bit on their 3, 4 and delayed man rushes. They simulated pressure when it wasn't there and Baker bailed from clean pockets much like in this picture below. - If you've been following my posts, I mentioned Baker did that against the Patriots. If you've been watching Browns football the last 4 years, he did it a TON in 2019. The argument then was he was spooked because protection was shaky. Well that bad habit has appeared when protection was solid like you see. The other argument, that in the Pats game Baker bailed because of fearing contact and further worsening his existing injury can now be thrown out of the window as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 Both throws on this drive that netted either big yards or a 4th down conversion were the primary the whole way. This was the 2nd one, this is an easy breakdown but highlights how the coaching staff sets up Baker for success with the easiest of things. But when they expand the playbook to attack in a variety of ways, that processing issue presents itself. This is just a run off and a slant underneath it. I remember Tony Romo once saying that, as a QB, when he saw the TE on the outside of the formation you can expect a positive (inside) break the majority of the time it isn't a redzone throw like a fade. You let a big body play basketball by boxing out either a small(er) DB or a slow(er) LB. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This 4th down conversion which I thought was balls by Baker, was really a gift by Stef. All Mayfield had to do was give a ball to the inside shoulder and let Hoop do his thing. ----------------------------------------------------- This last one is straight from the same thing I saw in the Texans game. Baker not utilizing space, stressing defenses to the designs max potential horizontally. Also I want to say this, Jarvis can still be a weapon. He just doesn't have the QB with a football I.Q. that can match his own. Because there was A LOT of yardage left on the table this year that would have gone Juice's way. This is a sight adjust and something that could be incredibly routine... pitch and catch. It ends up being a completion, but only by bad math. - You have a 4 man line, all in 3 pt and the SAM Backer is over Njoku. There is a ton of useable space for Jarvis and Baker to work with here. Because you've put him in a man assignment against a safety giving him 10 yards of cushion. The safety might be aligned outside eye, but he's so far off it really doesn't matter. Alignment and depth go hand in hand in forming effective defense. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - The safety signals to the corner almost like he wants to play this as a 2 trap. That would be where the corner checks his man and falls off to take the #2 flat. Only the corner needs to check and reroute his man otherwise you walk up the sideline and the safety can't recover if the throw is anywhere near decent. Juice being a smart and pragmatic guy says "I'll take the free yards" and runs a 5x2 (5 up, 2 out) then settles. - Instead Baker slings one on the hook to Njoku in traffic. It's a completion, I can't argue that. But stop me when you've heard me say before that Baker has an issue working with the space freely given to him on these types of designs. If the safety miscommunicates and this ball is out on time, Jarvis might be able to score from here. So instead of taking a short throw which doesn't even net you a 1st down, take the YAC and let your athletes down their thing. If Baker struggles to routinely do the simple things, I have little to no faith he improves when the tests become harder in the coming months. That's it in a nutshell. Bakers struggles are mostly of his own demons. Is it a lack of study and preperation? Is it just a lack of processing ability? Is it both? I'm not entirely sure, but I've watched games now from the very start to the very end of the season and Baker did not show improvement with any consistency that would lead me to believe there is light at the end of this tunnel. So I'm closing the chapter on the year that was this season and hoping... praying... that Baker somehow turns a corner and becomes a QB worth handing big time dollars to. Because if he doesn't then this team will be looking for another signal caller (if Berry already isn't) or worse - Baker gets paid. Then you have another situation that is almost an exact duplicate of what the Browns did with Derek Anderson. At which point I will be completely convinced that I'm stuck in a time loop and forced to watch the same things over and over. edit: Almost forgot, should this board go the way of the dodo bird, I'm considering starting a Facebook page and putting my film reviews there. I've reached out to a friend who is way nerdy about video and sound capture/editing. I've also considered doing this in a much easier to digest video form and using youtube. My biggest problem is time. These things take a good deal of time and I'm not sure I'm in a place to consistently give the time necessary to producing content of the highest quality. The one thing I can't stand about people who do football analysis is that they put themselves on a time schedule or deadline. Which means that they run the risk of being crunched for their assessments, missing things, and their work doesn't stand up over time. I fucking refuse to compromise my work for the sake of getting things out on self-imposed deadlines. That said, judging by how fast and how many views go up in this thread when I post these things (on top of my camp threads getting a few thousand views) there may be an actual audience who appreciates my work. So maybe that would be worth it? Either way, should I find myself taking on that type of project, TBB members will be the first to know. Thanks for reading, guys and girls. Hope you enjoy(ed) 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 Where do you get these pictures, I wonder? We could get pictures and criticize alleged mistakes by a lot of other top quarterbacks in the NFL? Piling on to Baker is boring - so Baker wasn't perfect ? gosh darn. Terry Bradshaw played so poorly his first three years he was almost booed out of Pittsburg - he has said so himself. But let's get back to the KC game - (btw, you referred to yourself about 11 times - we get it).... Baker threw for over 300 yards against the Chiefs. Here is the box score for receptions: (NOTE: guess who is missing in the list? Imagine what Baker could accomplish, without mistakes, if he had wide receivers like the Bengals have. Like several top teams have. Nitpicking him without realizing receivers are not competitive to the point of making the offense roar to wins - Baker isn't perfect? GOSH DARN. Maybe I could post some NFL video of Mahomes making mistakes. or rothlicksbooger. Sorry, not impressed with cherry picked plays. Improve the wr group and watch Baker make far fewer mistakes. Cleveland Receiving REC YDS TD LONG TGTS D. Njoku 3 76 0 43 5 J. Landry 5 71 0 32 5 A. Schwartz 3 69 0 44 5 K. Hunt 3 28 0 19 3 A. Hooper 3 27 0 14 3 N. Chubb 2 18 0 10 2 H. Bryant 1 17 0 17 2 B. Mayfield 0 11 0 11 0 D. Peoples-Jones 1 4 0 4 1 A. Janovich 0 0 0 0 1 TEAM 21 321 0 44 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 What I'm saying is, Terry Bradshaw had a terrible time his first few years. Then realize great quarterbacks are not perfect. Here's an exceelent read: http://steelersuk.com/history/seventies/terry bradshaw 1.htm THE EARLY BRADSHAW YEARS ************************************** EDIT: One final ? note on qb criticism: Bradshaw struggled badly his first few years. He was drafted in 1970. I was graduated from hs. We always watched the NFL drafts. The squealers never made a super bowl til 1975. In 1974, they drafted: Round 1 - Lynn Swann Round 2 - Jack Lambert Round 3- John Stallworth. That kicked their offense passing into high gear. I look forward to the Browns seriously upgraded their wr room (and kicker(s)), and they will be in the playoffs again, maybe even the super bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 I love when people try to use a quarterback that was drafted during the Vietnam War as an example of how Baker could become more than an average starting QB in the NFL in the 2020s. It warms the cockles of my heart. That's right, the cockles. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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