Baker Mayfield

[tiamat63]

"YoU dOnT kNoW wHaT bAkErS fIrSt ReAd Is"

"WrS aReNt GeTtInG oPeN"

 

[Westside Steve]

17 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

As I've said before, especially when it comes to minimizing turnovers, Keenum would have been the wiser start for quite some time now. 

Do we win? It's possible we still lose, but some of the "how do you throw THAT int?!?" would likely have been cleaned up.  The pick to DPJ is my commentary in a nutshell.   Fewer turnovers gives your team a better shot at winning. Period.

That Twitter thread brilliantly captures some of the mentality on this board that I've hinted at.  

That doesn't absolve Stefanski for last night either. I'm not sure what is running through his head right now but it's unbecoming of a decent NFL HC.

Enjoy the off-season, I have work to do.  Feel free to check back in for any of my future segments. 

Oh well. Can't sign into Twitter so...

I guess I'll have to go to your backup Colin Cowherd.

😀

[BernieSuperBowl2]

I can't wait to see what the Baker apologists have to say this week. But, but his shoulder. But, but the play calling. But, but the refs. No. Just no. Good or bad shoulder, the play calling, good or bad WR's - Baker just blows. He's a bottom 10 QB. People cling on to last year because we got into the playoffs. That's old news. The current news is we have to pay Faker Fakefield $19 million next year, which means our supporting cast will be worse. Imagine how bad Baker will be next year without a top 5 o-line and the best RB corps in the NFL.

 

 

[calfoxwc]

15 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

YoU dOnT kNoW wHaT bAkErS fIrSt ReAd Is"

"WrS aReNt GeTtInG oPeN"

Oh, please. That is ONE PLAY???? lol. He's looking right at him, I guess he was shocked he just got open, and threw him the ball? Do I need to mention how rapistblonker didn't see his TE totally wide open in the end zone in a game?

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/4-thoughts-on-browns-ravens

" Wide receivers cannot get open "

You know, Chris Collinsworth was a wide receiver right? Without Landry - wr's can't get open. End of most of the passing game.

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https://www.brownsnation.com/cris-collinsworth-says-one-browns-position-needs-to-step-up/

Collinsworth pointed out that when Jarvis Landry is injured or covered, Mayfield has struggled.

The Browns need a second receiver to step up especially against the Ravens because Collinsworth believes the Ravens will be all over Landry.

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 Tiam - the Browns will draft a WR high. for the same reason - that the Bengals drafted Ja'Marr Chase fifth overall when they already had Ty HIggins and Boyd. And it has meant everything to the Bengals offense. Same qb.

 

[jrb12711]

58 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

As I've said before, especially when it comes to minimizing turnovers, Keenum would have been the wiser start for quite some time now. 

Do we win? It's possible we still lose, but some of the "how do you throw THAT int?!?" would likely have been cleaned up.  The pick to DPJ is my commentary in a nutshell.   Fewer turnovers gives your team a better shot at winning. Period.

That Twitter thread brilliantly captures some of the mentality on this board that I've hinted at.  

That doesn't absolve Stefanski for last night either. I'm not sure what is running through his head right now but it's unbecoming of a decent NFL HC.

Enjoy the off-season, I have work to do.  Feel free to check back in for any of my future segments. 

Let me just ask you this simply, as I am indeed a simple man. First, it goes without saying I have serious concerns about Mayfield as the dude moving forward. Last week was beyond a turd, it was a shit sandwich. I didn't even watch the second half of last night candidly.

But, the simple fact of the matter is the Browns are at least an average team with Mayfield, and he has shown that when fully healthy can play the position at an above average level. QBR is just a measure of it, but Mayfield finished 10th in that stat last year.  Maybe the dude did get figured out, that's very possible. But, overall at least this team is playing competitive football outside the last month. The wheels have seem to fall off the bus for the rest of this season, but it's been a dang refreshing change of pace to A) be in the playoffs and B ) be actively a part of the playoff discussion with two weeks left. I mean this with sincerity that I don't think I can actively be a fan again of another decade of 2-4 win seasons. I'd much rather be "middle of the road" or the "Kirk Cousins special" and hope for a spark (a la the Titans formula) than the shit we saw for so long.

This all leads me to the conclusion that there were MANY mitigating factors to Mayfield's (and thusly, the team) success this season, starting with a bum shoulder. I think it's worth it strongly to re-tool this offseason and see if Mayfield can bring back that 2020 play with Stefanski God willing getting his head out of his ass. That could easily result in 2022 showing us that Mayfield just got figured out. But watching the first two-ish weeks of the season, it's like watching a different QB. Based on what you see, do you agree with that sentiment or do you feel like it's time to hit the reset button?

[LBC mike]

I just think it's funny the sky is falling mentality.   

[Kegeratorz]

I can not imagine KS is that stupid, I’d gather he’s smarter then us. I’d also think he’d know losing wouldn’t look good on his resume and wouldn’t self sabotage his career. 

I wonder if the HC/organization said here you go Baker. Go out win us a game with your arm. Put the team on your shoulders and earn that contract. Go out and be the leader you keep telling us you are.

I. Don’t. Know. 

[tiamat63]

54 minutes ago, jrb12711 said:

Let me just ask you this simply, as I am indeed a simple man. First, it goes without saying I have serious concerns about Mayfield as the dude moving forward. Last week was beyond a turd, it was a shit sandwich. I didn't even watch the second half of last night candidly.

But, the simple fact of the matter is the Browns are at least an average team with Mayfield, and he has shown that when fully healthy can play the position at an above average level. QBR is just a measure of it, but Mayfield finished 10th in that stat last year.  Maybe the dude did get figured out, that's very possible. But, overall at least this team is playing competitive football outside the last month. The wheels have seem to fall off the bus for the rest of this season, but it's been a dang refreshing change of pace to A) be in the playoffs and B ) be actively a part of the playoff discussion with two weeks left. I mean this with sincerity that I don't think I can actively be a fan again of another decade of 2-4 win seasons. I'd much rather be "middle of the road" or the "Kirk Cousins special" and hope for a spark (a la the Titans formula) than the shit we saw for so long.

This all leads me to the conclusion that there were MANY mitigating factors to Mayfield's (and thusly, the team) success this season, starting with a bum shoulder. I think it's worth it strongly to re-tool this offseason and see if Mayfield can bring back that 2020 play with Stefanski God willing getting his head out of his ass. That could easily result in 2022 showing us that Mayfield just got figured out. But watching the first two-ish weeks of the season, it's like watching a different QB. Based on what you see, do you agree with that sentiment or do you feel like it's time to hit the reset button?

The issue with that line of thinking is believing that the emergence of this Browns team has more to do with Baker than it does Chubb, the running game and Oline.  Too much credit has been given to Mayfield.  The man who has put Cleveland on his shoulders (legs) has been Chubb more often than not.   Toss in improved Oline play with favorable schedule (weaker defenses) and that has been the winning recipe since mid 2018.

Browns fans have long contended that we'd be, at worst, a competitive team with average QB play, defense and a good supporting cast (running game)   You caught a glimpse of that with Hoyer. Baker isn't so important to this team that his play can't be duplicated.   And for all the talk about "last year", his last year stats were pretty pedestrian in the grand scheme of things.  

I've mentioned this before, but Bakers stats from 2020 are similar down to a single percentile with Case Keenums'sfrom that 2017 season with the Vikings.  

 

There is enough talent and stability on this roster that bringing in a QB that is even somewhat above average but NOT turnover prone means that this team can still be competitive.    

[Westside Steve]

12 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

 

There is enough talent and stability on this roster that bringing in a QB that is even somewhat above average but NOT turnover prone means that this team can still be competitive.    

So it's the turnovers? Interceptions?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-intercepted

Don't know if this list is stated or not

WSS

[tiamat63]

2 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

So it's the turnovers? Interceptions?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-intercepted

Don't know if this list is stated or not

WSS

I'm failing to see the point you're trying to make here.

[Westside Steve]

1 minute ago, tiamat63 said:

I'm failing to see the point you're trying to make here.

Sorry to bother you.

WSS

[hoorta]

2 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

"YoU dOnT kNoW wHaT bAkErS fIrSt ReAd Is"

"WrS aReNt GeTtInG oPeN"

 

Yeah, how many guys ARE open on that play?  Guess we'll just have to let the apologists believe whatever they want to....  

BTW, and I duly noticed this too...  WKNR Goldhammer is a Steeler fan, and even he admitted...  "Is this a football game, or a six hour tribute to Big Ben??"

[jrb12711]

48 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

The issue with that line of thinking is believing that the emergence of this Browns team has more to do with Baker than it does Chubb, the running game and Oline.  Too much credit has been given to Mayfield.  The man who has put Cleveland on his shoulders (legs) has been Chubb more often than not.   Toss in improved Oline play with favorable schedule (weaker defenses) and that has been the winning recipe since mid 2018.

Browns fans have long contended that we'd be, at worst, a competitive team with average QB play, defense and a good supporting cast (running game)   You caught a glimpse of that with Hoyer. Baker isn't so important to this team that his play can't be duplicated.   And for all the talk about "last year", his last year stats were pretty pedestrian in the grand scheme of things.  

I've mentioned this before, but Bakers stats from 2020 are similar down to a single percentile with Case Keenums'sfrom that 2017 season with the Vikings.  

 

There is enough talent and stability on this roster that bringing in a QB that is even somewhat above average but NOT turnover prone means that this team can still be competitive.    

I for sure hear you. My worry? is that we have the "grass is greener on the other side of the fence" mentality of trying to get that "just be better than Mayfield" and the team regresses. When you look at the landscape of potential QB's, I'm just not sure anyone fits that mold save a trade. A wild card trade I'd love would be Derek Carr- I think he fits what you're saying to the letter. I just don't like the idea of drafting a new dude, at all.

[tiamat63]

26 minutes ago, jrb12711 said:

I for sure hear you. My worry? is that we have the "grass is greener on the other side of the fence" mentality of trying to get that "just be better than Mayfield" and the team regresses. When you look at the landscape of potential QB's, I'm just not sure anyone fits that mold save a trade. A wild card trade I'd love would be Derek Carr- I think he fits what you're saying to the letter. I just don't like the idea of drafting a new dude, at all.

I would find it difficult to believe that if you had a QB who didn't throw ill-advised INT's at the worst possible times, that the rest of the team magically would "regress".   If anything, that is what tends to cause the regression.

Derek Carr is an interesting, vet savvy name.      For all the talk of the QB's from the 2018 draft, Kurt Benkert remains my long-lost darkhorse.   I still believe he offers upside as a quality backup and average NFL starter.

[Canton Dawg]

1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

I'm failing to see the point you're trying to make here.

I’ll be your huckleberry…WSS is pointing out the number of interceptions BM has thrown this season.

He’s thrown the same amount of INT’s as Mahomes and Lamar Jackson.

Baker has thrown less INT’s than 8 other QB’s, namely Lawrence, Stanford, Allen, Heinicke, Burrow, Carr, Tannehill, and Herbert.

I know it doesn’t fit your narrative, but thems some facts.

[jrb12711]

4 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

I would find it difficult to believe that if you had a QB who didn't throw ill-advised INT's at the worst possible times, that the rest of the team magically would "regress".   If anything, that is what tends to cause the regression.

Derek Carr is an interesting, vet savvy name.      For all the talk of the QB's from the 2018 draft, Kurt Benkert remains my long-lost darkhorse.   I still believe he offers upside as a quality backup and average NFL starter.

One interesting factor to Carr is the game-winning drives. I didn't realize this, but dude is relatively clutch. Has 29 already in his career: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm just behind a dude like Russell Wilson. I saw this stat after he beat the Browns, definitely interesting. I could see the intrigue for a straight swap and us adding a good incentive based pick (2nd that can turn into a one for 2023) for example. I'd be in for that 100% at this point.

[tiamat63]

5 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

I’ll be your huckleberry…WSS is pointing out the number of interceptions BM has thrown this season.

He’s thrown the same amount of INT’s as Mahomes and Lamar Jackson.

Baker has thrown less INT’s than 8 other QB’s, namely Lawrence, Stanford, Allen, Heinicke, Burrow, Carr, Tannehill, and Herbert.

I know it doesn’t fit your narrative, but thems some facts.

I don't do "narratives", I operate in fact.  So... let's talk fact.

 

- Lamar is having a terrible season and is having trouble sustaining drives in a past first offense.   You yourself have upvoted comments that call him a "RB playing QB"    So why would I want to draw the parallel of Baker and Lamar?  Both are struggling and playing incredibly mediocre.  I've said that before.

- Mahomes started off the year good and then went into an absolute flurry of turnovers that cost the chiefs games.   True to any good to great QB, the problems that ailed his played and held back his team he began to resolve and the Chiefs are once again considered a good team.    In no small part because Mahomes decided to pull his head out of his ass and stop throwing ill-advised passes which sometimes would be brilliant, but other times hurt his team.   Being smart about when to take the former at risk of the latter is crucial... find the balance.   He's also a Superbowl winning QB with a historic start to his career.

- Lawrence is a rookie on the worst team in the NFL.  Why would we want that comparison brought up?   

- Heinicke is an UDFA playing on a bioplar team.   Baker is the former #1 overall pick... again another comparison you really don't want to make.  

- Stafford has had a stretch of questionable games with multiple turnovers yet still found ways to put TD's on the board when needed, including a GW drive this weekend.   He's thrown for 38TD's to 15INT's.   Still better than a 2:1 ratio.

- Herbert has cost his team with his bipolar play at times, but his ceiling has been much higher than the cost of his floor.  4,631 yards 35TD's to 14INT's in a pass first offense by a 2nd year QB.   Again, greater than a 2:1 ratio

- Burrow started out the year incredibly questionable throwing the majority of his picks the first 8 games.  Since that point he's turned it up to 11 and been one of the best young QB's in the NFL despite having his first year cut short by injury.  4,611 yards, 34 TD's to 14INT's.    Still greater than 2:1 ratio.

Carr & Tennehill are above average QB's who aren't good enough to consistently shoulder the load on offense to produce elite teams, I've said that for some time now.    Tannehill also functions behind one of the most medicore Olines in the NFL minus Julio, Brown and Derrick Henry.    I think the good people of Tennessee know that Tanne isn't some long-term franchise savior.    Derek Carr isn't all that far behind.    This isn't the flattering company I need my potential franchise to be in, and if it is I need to be honest about his abilities and pay him according to said abilities.   Which means Tannehill is currently being paid about 8million more than what he's worth.  

The comparison Steve attempted to absolve Baker with was against QB's who have been in the NFL less than half the time of Baker, who have shown flashes of greater ceiling, damn near pro-bowl nod, dismissing that while they've dealt with turnovers, they've had stretches of brilliant play on pass first teams.    Mayfield cannot say the same at any point in his career.

 

It was a limp wristed attempt to say that somehow Baker is comparable those names.  He isn't, save for Lamar, Carr, Tannehill and Heineke.  And those aren't names I want my QB to emulate aside from maybe Carr when he plays out of his mind.   

Bakers turnover problem, and penchant for batted passes (he leads the league in both categories since 2018) is not made up for by the rest of his play.    

 

I don't deal in narratives, I deal in fact.  Baker's play has been deficient since the 2019 season and I've had to watch him make consistently questionable decisions no franchise level QB does for the length of time he has.

[tiamat63]

This front office and coaching staff is desperately going to have to address the RT situation if they want to be able to give whoever the QB is the best shot at success.    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Bengals can't really get by playing cover 1 much, at least not against the Browns they couldn't.     And Baker couldn't attempt to hold the safety down the middle because Hance at RT is a liability.  Worse, Hance without any help over there is a worse liability.   Given what we saw last night, the stubborn refusal to throw help to Hudson's side until it was glaringly obvious he needed it is concerning to me.   

This is a rare example of a good read and throw by Baker.   Maybe slightly worry-some in the sense he peeped Bates leverage then just went to it, but it's more of a big time throw than it is a turnover worthy throw.  Especially when you consider the ball placement - outside shoulder so the safety, even if he had recovered, likely would have taken a minor miracle to intercept this ball.

But the inability of Baker to hold Bates down the middle longer on this play isn't indicative of Mayfield lacking in this moment, but the protection.   I'm not saying its been an Oline issue all year, it really hasn't.  The overwhelming amount is still on Baker, but these are the things that need to be addressed and cleaned up no matter who is under center.  Otherwise taking deep shots like this and getting a vertical threat like DPJ going becomes more difficult and difficult as the season wears on.

[calfoxwc]

26 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

I don't do "narratives", I operate in fact.  So... let's talk fact.

 

- Lamar is having a terrible season and is having trouble sustaining drives in a past first offense.   You yourself have upvoted comments that call him a "RB playing QB"    So why would I want to draw the parallel of Baker and Lamar?  Both are struggling and playing incredibly mediocre.  I've said that before.

- Mahomes started off the year good and then went into an absolute flurry of turnovers that cost the chiefs games.   True to any good to great QB, the problems that ailed his played and held back his team he began to resolve and the Chiefs are once again considered a good team.    In no small part because Mahomes decided to pull his head out of his ass and stop throwing ill-advised passes which sometimes would be brilliant, but other times hurt his team.   Being smart about when to take the former at risk of the latter is crucial... find the balance.   He's also a Superbowl winning QB with a historic start to his career.

- Lawrence is a rookie on the worst team in the NFL.  Why would we want that comparison brought up?   

- Heinicke is an UDFA playing on a bioplar team.   Baker is the former #1 overall pick... again another comparison you really don't want to make.  

- Stafford has had a stretch of questionable games with multiple turnovers yet still found ways to put TD's on the board when needed, including a GW drive this weekend.   He's thrown for 38TD's to 15INT's.   Still better than a 2:1 ratio.

- Herbert has cost his team with his bipolar play at times, but his ceiling has been much higher than the cost of his floor.  4,631 yards 35TD's to 14INT's in a pass first offense by a 2nd year QB.   Again, greater than a 2:1 ratio

- Burrow started out the year incredibly questionable throwing the majority of his picks the first 8 games.  Since that point he's turned it up to 11 and been one of the best young QB's in the NFL despite having his first year cut short by injury.  4,611 yards, 34 TD's to 14INT's.    Still greater than 2:1 ratio.

Carr & Tennehill are above average QB's who aren't good enough to consistently shoulder the load on offense to produce elite teams, I've said that for some time now.    Tannehill also functions behind one of the most medicore Olines in the NFL minus Julio, Brown and Derrick Henry.    I think the good people of Tennessee know that Tanne isn't some long-term franchise savior.    Derek Carr isn't all that far behind.    This isn't the flattering company I need my potential franchise to be in, and if it is I need to be honest about his abilities and pay him according to said abilities.   Which means Tannehill is currently being paid about 8million more than what he's worth.  

The comparison Steve attempted to absolve Baker with was against QB's who have been in the NFL less than half the time of Baker, who have shown flashes of greater ceiling, damn near pro-bowl nod, dismissing that while they've dealt with turnovers, they've had stretches of brilliant play on pass first teams.    Mayfield cannot say the same at any point in his career.

 

It was a limp wristed attempt to say that somehow Baker is comparable those names.  He isn't, save for Lamar, Carr, Tannehill and Heineke.  And those aren't names I want my QB to emulate aside from maybe Carr when he plays out of his mind.   

Bakers turnover problem, and penchant for batted passes (he leads the league in both categories since 2018) is not made up for by the rest of his play.    

 

I don't deal in narratives, I deal in fact.  Baker's play has been deficient since the 2019 season and I've had to watch him make consistently questionable decisions no franchise level QB does for the length of time he has.

Here's a FACT:

You are completely missing out on the surrounding cast of the qb's you mentioned.

Ja'Marr Chase. Three #1 picks at wr for the ratbirds. One of the best TE's in football.

Baker outpassed rapistblogger with fewer passes thrown. That's a fact.

Baker did it with a wr group that can''t compare to the squealer wr group.

Blaming it all on Baker isn't fact, it's venting.

Go around the NFL - other big name qb's don't see their wr's open every time, either.

But plenty of them have receivers that GET OPEN DYNAMICALLY.

Rapistblogger got rid of the ball so FAST. Because his receivers were OPEN a LOT of the time.

FACT: it's a TEAM GAME.

Your pictures only tell the story for that fracture of a moment in time.

HIggins is a good wr ONLY if the defense plays zone. Peoples-Jones is serious business - but

still needs experience to come on strong. 

When Chris Collinsworth says the wr's need to STEP UP - it means they aren't getting it done on THEIR END.

When Doug Dieken says NO wr's are getting open, you should listen.

 

[calfoxwc]

13 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

This front office and coaching staff is desperately going to have to address the RT situation if they want to be able to give whoever the QB is the best shot at success.   

Thank you for agreeing with me. FA, top 3 rounds swing tackle - they need to try again - if Conklin isn't available for whatever reason.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

3 hours ago, LBC mike said:

I just think it's funny the sky is falling mentality.   

That's Cleveland mentality.

[Canton Dawg]

31 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

I don't do "narratives", I operate in fact.  So... let's talk fact.

I posted facts, whether you or I agree with them isn’t relevant.

- Lamar is having a terrible season and is having trouble sustaining drives in a past first offense.   You yourself have upvoted comments that call him a "RB playing QB"    So why would I want to draw the parallel of Baker and Lamar?  Both are struggling and playing incredibly mediocre.  I've said that before.

Lamar is having a terrible season…well NO SHIT, so is Baker! You mean Baker isn’t permitted to have a bad season?

- Mahomes started off the year good and then went into an absolute flurry of turnovers that cost the chiefs games.   True to any good to great QB, the problems that ailed his played and held back his team he began to resolve and the Chiefs are once again considered a good team.    In no small part because Mahomes decided to pull his head out of his ass and stop throwing ill-advised passes which sometimes would be brilliant, but other times hurt his team.   Being smart about when to take the former at risk of the latter is crucial... find the balance.   He's also a Superbowl winning QB with a historic start to his career.

So you’re saying Mahomes is having a bad season too! Color me shocked!

- Lawrence is a rookie on the worst team in the NFL.  Why would we want that comparison brought up?   
No comparison, he just happens to have thrown more picks than Baker this year…no surprise.

- Heinicke is an UDFA playing on a bioplar team.   Baker is the former #1 overall pick... again another comparison you really don't want to make.  
Again no comparison, Heinicke has thrown more picks as well.

- Stafford has had a stretch of questionable games with multiple turnovers yet still found ways to put TD's on the board when needed, including a GW drive this weekend.   He's thrown for 38TD's to 15INT's.   Still better than a 2:1 ratio.

Matt Stafford is a veteran that hasn’t really blown my hair back with his play over the years. He’s playing with more talent than Baker, and has thrown more picks this year.

- Herbert has cost his team with his bipolar play at times, but his ceiling has been much higher than the cost of his floor.  4,631 yards 35TD's to 14INT's in a pass first offense by a 2nd year QB.   Again, greater than a 2:1 ratio

Great stats, but you didn’t mention he’s thrown more picks.

- Burrow started out the year incredibly questionable throwing the majority of his picks the first 8 games.  Since that point he's turned it up to 11 and been one of the best young QB's in the NFL despite having his first year cut short by injury.  4,611 yards, 34 TD's to 14INT's.    Still greater than 2:1 ratio.

I’ve been on the Burrow bandwagon since I saw him play for Athens. But again more picks than #6.

Carr & Tennehill are above average QB's who aren't good enough to consistently shoulder the load on offense to produce elite teams, I've said that for some time now.    Tannehill also functions behind one of the most medicore Olines in the NFL minus Julio, Brown and Derrick Henry.    I think the good people of Tennessee know that Tanne isn't some long-term franchise savior.    Derek Carr isn't all that far behind.    This isn't the flattering company I need my potential franchise to be in, and if it is I need to be honest about his abilities and pay him according to said abilities.   Which means Tannehill is currently being paid about 8million more than what he's worth.  

Carr and Tannehill have thrown more picks.

The comparison Steve attempted to absolve Baker with was against QB's who have been in the NFL less than half the time of Baker, who have shown flashes of greater ceiling, damn near pro-bowl nod, dismissing that while they've dealt with turnovers, they've had stretches of brilliant play on pass first teams.    Mayfield cannot say the same at any point in his career.

 

It was a limp wristed attempt to say that somehow Baker is comparable those names.  He isn't, save for Lamar, Carr, Tannehill and Heineke.  And those aren't names I want my QB to emulate aside from maybe Carr when he plays out of his mind.   
I would simply love for you to show me where I said, “Baker is compatible to those names”.

I simply interpreted a list of NFL QB’s that has thrown more interceptions than Mayfield.

Your original premise was about turnovers, unless you’re discussing pastries I would venture to say this is an attempt to move the goal post.

 

Bakers turnover problem, and penchant for batted passes (he leads the league in both categories since 2018) is not made up for by the rest of his play.    

 

I don't deal in narratives, I deal in fact.  Baker's play has been deficient since the 2019 season and I've had to watch him make consistently questionable decisions no franchise level QB does for the length of time he has.

Sounds like you have an issue dealing with the fact that there are more QB’s with interceptions than BM?

CD

[Westside Steve]

2 hours ago, hoorta said:

Yeah, how many guys ARE open on that play?  Guess we'll just have to let the apologists believe whatever they want to....  

BTW, and I duly noticed this too...  WKNR Goldhammer is a Steeler fan, and even he admitted...  "Is this a football game, or a six hour tribute to Big Ben??"

Goldhammer is a Broncos fan. He's from Denver. But his job is to be the foil.

WSS 

[Canton Dawg]

2 hours ago, hoorta said:

 "Is this a football game, or a six hour tribute to Big Ben??"

I don’t know how big Roethlisberger’s cock is….but ESPN managed to swallow all of it.

[TexasAg1969]

You can't educate the intentionally ignorant tia. They are just transferring over here because no one tries to engage them anymore where they live for that exact same reason.

[tiamat63]

21 hours ago, Unsympathetic said:

 

"This video is about to be a damn hour long because I can't get over throwing a pick to a post safety on a post route"

I've had this sitting on my desktop for over a week now, because I kept going back to that play too.    It's no surprise to me that anybody else with a pair of eyes saw what I did.

 

 

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This is actually similar route structure to the play I drew up from the Brett Kollomann video.  The flood with the skinny po where he claimed OBJ was being used as a "decoy" when he wasn't.   Instead of taking the post 1 on 1 and understanding the principles of how to attack cover 6, Baker took the '7' on that particular play.    It was open and it was a first down, but it was something I argued about failing to maximize your vertical talent.

But In this play, you have that same skinny po which clears out the corner and draws the MFS.   Funny thing is, you can still beat MOTFC closed looks with post combos, but not at this depth, not with your downfield accuracy issues and not with receivers who are still trying to find their footing.     What's worse is Baker had SO much time to look at this play and take the safe, smart and completely wide open throw after he saw Douglas void and Higgins clear under.    Instead he thought the MFS sitting flat footed wouldn't recover.    Usually Baker has enough arm, but this is where I talk about nuance and situational awareness.  Baker lacks it a great deal most of the time.  You're pushing the ball into a look that makes your deep post not a viable route.   Take what's easy, take what's given and save your arm man.   

 

I have no explanation for Bakers thought process here, it defies football I.Q.    When he has a chance to do the smart thing, he rather routinely does the opposite and when he does said opposite it leads to stalled drives and picks that setup opposing offenses on a short field.  

 

[DieHardBrownsFan]

2 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

You can't educate the intentionally ignorant tia. They are just transferring over here because no one tries to engage them anymore where they live for that exact same reason.

Who?  What?

[hoorta]

26 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Who?  What?

Not you, the other guy. Because if he repeats something 20 times, that makes it correct. What happens is the other folks just get tired of beating their heads against a brick wall and give up.  

[calfoxwc]

25 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Not you, the other guy. Because if he repeats something 20 times, that makes it correct. What happens is the other folks just get tired of beating their heads against a brick wall and give up.  

oh, you mean the guy who smarts off, can't back it up, then goes and has modular hidsies and seeksies instead of

answering the question I posed. So, the "question was wrong, so I had to not answer it".

lol.

what a Baker hater.

 

[Browns149]

40 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Not you, the other guy. Because if he repeats something 20 times, that makes it correct. What happens is the other folks just get tired of beating their heads against a brick wall and give up.  

Sounds as if you have been to the political forum on here

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