Baker Mayfield

[calfoxwc]

1. Thank you for smarting off to yourself.  Yes, Hoorta (you) can never admit you are wrong. LOL LOL LOL

2. See #1. LOL LOL LOL

3. You didn't read the article, oh arrogant wannabe alpha wonkie. The stats were over a period of time. Not one game. Baker played some great games without Gronk last year, too. LOL LOL. He also played some great games last year without Ja'Marr Chase.

Just think how good he could be with those players.

and Baker shouldn't be playing, he's hurt. He won't be hurt next year, whiney boy.

4. You got your ass handed to you with your stupid crap over there on that board.

5. Go ahead. Make a list of wr's the Browns have, and compare them to the wr's the other AFC N teams have.

And I never said Baker was playing well since he's been hurt.

6. Tia doesn't need you to be his nanny.

[calfoxwc]

1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

Just to toss this out there before I check out - Brady won a superbowl without Gronk. Down 28-3 no less.  Throwing for damn near 5 bills in that game. 

 

So... yeah.  Brady can still get it done without Gronk.

It was clearly shown that over a period of time, his stats plummeted without Gronk. Why do you think he desperately wanted Gronk to come to Tampa Bay?

Take your time. We'll wait. Want to count up the # of games Brady WON with Gronk? didn't think so.

[hoorta]

On 12/30/2021 at 9:14 PM, calfoxwc said:

5. Go ahead. Make a list of wr's the Browns have, and compare them to the wr's the other AFC N teams have.

And I never said Baker was playing well since he's been hurt.

6. Tia doesn't need you to be his nanny.

I'll only reply this one last time to your broken record Cal...Blah. blah, blah... Want to repeat something meaningless for the 10th time? You're about the only one here with that opinion. Repeating it a dozen times doesn't make it correct.  It absolutely doesn't matter about the Browns wrs. The talent is there.. but not if the one thing we agree on- Baker's injury is seriously affection his performance. I see plenty of Bengals football.. And let me tell you talent wise, their Higgins and Boyd are no no better than our Higgins and DPJ.  The difference is Joe sees when they're open, and can accurately get them the ball. Uzomah?  

Try to follow along... the Browns are running a tight end heavy offense. Uzomah can't hold a candle to Hooper (the guy we made the highest paid TE in the NFL when we signed him) or Dave Njoku there's your first round pick for you. I'll let you look up how many Pro Bowls Jarvis Landry has been nominated for.   

So there's the Browns problem in a nutshell... Deficient Quarterback play by Baker.  

Regarding Tia, you're too far down in your rabbit hole to realize when another poster is ripping your ass off, and handing it back to you.  

[nickers]

27 minutes ago, hoorta said:

I'll only reply this one last time to your broken record Cal...Blah. blah, blah... Want to repeat something meaningless for the 10th time? You're about the only one here with that opinion. Repeating it a dozen times doesn't make it correct.  It absolutely doesn't matter about the Browns wrs. The talent is there.. but not if the one thing we agree on- Baker's injury is seriously affection his performance. I see plenty of Bengals football.. And let me tell you talent wise, their Higgins and Boyd are no no better than our Higgins and DPJ.  The difference is Joe sees when they're open, and can accurately get them the ball. Uzomah?  

Try to follow along... the Browns are running a tight end heavy offense. Uzomah can't hold a candle to Hooper (the guy we made the highest paid TE in the NFL when we signed him) or Dave Njoku there's your first round pick for you. I'll let you look up how many Pro Bowls Jarvis Landry has been nominated for.   

So there's the Browns problem in a nutshell... Deficient Quarterback play by Baker.  

Regarding Tia, you're too far down in your rabbit hole to realize when another poster is ripping your ass off, and handing it back to you.  

Did you even bother to watch the Matt Hasselbeck video I posted?... Nope.. You glossed right through it... He had a similar injury and will tell you flat out the Harness fucks up your accuracy and foot work.... So I give Baker the remainder of his contract before I'm ready to part ways...

[calfoxwc]

31 minutes ago, hoorta said:

I'll only reply this one last time to your broken record Cal...Blah. blah, blah... Want to repeat something meaningless for the 10th time? You're about the only one here with that opinion. Repeating it a dozen times doesn't make it correct.  It absolutely doesn't matter about the Browns wrs. The talent is there.. but not if the one thing we agree on- Baker's injury is seriously affection his performance. I see plenty of Bengals football.. And let me tell you talent wise, their Higgins and Boyd are no no better than our Higgins and DPJ.  The difference is Joe sees when they're open, and can accurately get them the ball. Uzomah?  

Try to follow along... the Browns are running a tight end heavy offense. Uzomah can't hold a candle to Hooper (the guy we made the highest paid TE in theNFL when we signed him) or Dave Njoku there's your first round pick for you. I'll let you look up how many Pro Bowls Jarvis Landry has been nominated for.   So there's the Browns problem in a nutshell... Deficient Quarterback play by Baker.  Regarding Tia, you're too far down in your rabbit hole to realize when another poster is ripping your ass off, and handing it back to you.  

I'll only reply this one last time to your broken record Hoorta..Blah. blah, blah... You really miss a lot. Or, you deliberately cherry pick part of a discussion - you do the same dumb thing on the other forum.

You want to compare Higgins and Boyd with HIggins and Peoples-Jones? That's fine. I like it. Here is the problem:

Why the hell do you think the Bengals drafted Ja'Marr Chase, FIFTH OVERALL LAST  YEAR IF THEY ALREADY HAD HIGGINS AND BOYD?

I'll tell you why, but you don't listen. You just don't want to. They drafted  Chase to be a #1 wr, and Higgins and Boyd would have a lot less defensive pressure on them. He's the STAR the Browns don't have. There is nobody to take pressure off Landry and Peoples-Jones. It's a HELL OF A LOT EASIER for you #2 and #3 to GET OPEN when they have a STAR #1 defenses have to contend with. Can you hear me now? Denying it is just dimwitted.

The Browns don't have a #1. So, keep denying it, but can you hear me now? I don't think Tiam can deny the affect that Ja'Marr Chase has on the Bengals passing game. So, you just got your ass handed to you again. Maybe you are one of a few that don't get it.

Once pouty fake injury OBJ left the Browns, the passing defense only had to concentrate on Landry and Peoples-Jones, making the Browns suffer, and WITH BAKER's INJURY, performance suffered for both reasons. Having a star #1 makes a huge difference.

BTW, I think the Browns run a heavy TE offense because they have a running game that helps with TE blocking, and to try to have a passing option to try to take pressure off Landry and Peoples-Jones- but that is not as dynamic at all - compared to having a star #1.

You're afraid to answer questions - you want me to send you a mexican hat so you can dance around it?

   I still look for a Browns win - if the refs aren't crooked.

At least dirtbag Jeff Triplett retired a while back.

https://www.westernjournal.com/nfls-famous-controversial-referees-retiring/

Cleveland Browns rip refs for 'terrible' pass interference ...

https://www.usatoday.com › story › sports › nfl › browns › 2021 › 10 › 10 › cleveland-browns-rip-officials-refs-pass-interference-penalty › 6086066001

Oct 10, 2021Browns rip officials for 'terrible' pass interference ruling, non-calls in loss to Chargers. INGLEWOOD, Calif. — Coach Kevin Stefanski said he didn't get a good look at a crucial pass ...

NFL World Reacts To Brutal Call From Browns-Packers Game

https://www.msn.com › en-us › sports › nfl › nfl-world-reacts-to-brutal-call-from-browns-packers-game › ar-AAS9HFi

On Saturday afternoon, the Green Bay Packers faced off against the Cleveland Browns in an intriguing non-conference matchup. It was an unusual game that saw the Packers win by a final score of 24-22.

[calfoxwc]

NOTE TO HOORTA:

https://www.bengals.com/news/inside-the-pick-why-the-bengals-opted-for-ja-marr-chase

But what's not left to chance is that the Bengals' struggling long ball now has one of the best deep receivers to ever play in college ball.

 

Not only that, they already have his quarterback. Callahan says the Joe Factor wasn't the factor. It was one of them, but not the decider.

"It ended up he's a guy that can make a difference in our offense. He's so explosive," Callahan says. "To me, he's the best receiver that's come out in the last three years. He's worthy of that spot where guys like A.J. and Julio were drafted. It's hard to pass up that kind of talent."

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So, they drafted Ja'Marr Chase, 5th overall TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THEIR OFFENSE, when they already had HIggins and Boyd.

Because............those two terrific players - needed a star wr. A deep threat. The Browns need a deep threat #1 star wr now.

 

[calfoxwc]

Furthermore, Hoorta:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-bengals-picking-jamarr-chase-over-penei-sewell-was-a-watershed-moment-in-nfl-history/

" How would Chase help Cincinnati's blocking? The thought -- Burrow's connection with Chase would catalyze quicker releases for the rehabilitated quarterback, thereby limiting the frequency he'd get hit by pass rushers. And it has. Through seven games, Burrow's average time to throw is down by a few hundredths of a second, and he's been pressured less frequently than last season. Burrow's passer rating on Chase targets? 135.4.   "

[calfoxwc]

Furthermore: I just looked up these JUST NOW:

https://publish.one37pm.net/blog/strength/jamarr-chase-draft-pick/

"In addition to his individual productivity, Chase has provided kindling for a suddenly explosive offense. Whether it be causation or correlation, the Bengals’ offense has surged this year with Chase, averaging 27.0 points per game, up from 21.3 points per contest in the 10 games that Burrow started last season; with a 5-2 record, the Bengals have already won more games than they did in either 2020 or 2019.   "

"

Skipping a Step

At some point the Bengals have to skip a step. They got their quarterback last offseason, but they still have plenty of holes to fill.

Pairing Burrow with a star receiver like Chase in an offense that already has Higgins, Boyd and Joe Mixon is exactly how to win in today's NFL.

Of course the offensive line has to improve, but if they don't address Burrow's weapons, we're going to be talking about wide receiver being a need a year from now.

"

 

[Dutch Oven]

Good thing the Browns didn't draft Ja'Marr Chase.

Two ex-LSU WRs frustrated with having Baker Mayfield as their QB is enough. 

[hoorta]

6 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

Good thing the Browns didn't draft Ja'Marr Chase.

Two ex-LSU WRs frustrated with having Baker Mayfield as their QB is enough. 

You don't know how much I'd love to lock this thread- I've had just about enough of dealing with a goofball.   I have him on ignore, and that's where he's going to stay.  

[hoorta]

7 hours ago, nickers said:

Did you even bother to watch the Matt Hasselbeck video I posted?... Nope.. You glossed right through it... He had a similar injury and will tell you flat out the Harness fucks up your accuracy and foot work.... So I give Baker the remainder of his contract before I'm ready to part ways...

Been there, mentioned that nickers....  

[calfoxwc]

46 minutes ago, hoorta said:

You don't know how much I'd love to lock this thread- I've had just about enough of dealing with a goofball.   I have him on ignore, and that's where he's going to stay.  

So, you don't want to answer why, per your own trolling, the Bengals drafted a Ja'Marr Chase when they already had Burrow, Boyd and HIggins.

    Run and hide, but the truth is, you can't handle the truth about it. btw, you said before more than once you can't put people on ignore because you are a mod.

   So.....................................

[Dutch Oven]

8 hours ago, hoorta said:

You don't know how much I'd love to lock this thread- I've had just about enough of dealing with a goofball.   I have him on ignore, and that's where he's going to stay.  

You put cal on ignore?

But how will you ever know how to properly skin and cook some random rodent? How will you know about how Hillary Clinton sex trafficked white children in the basement of a pizza shop? 

You are only hurting yourself, hoorta. 😉

[hoorta]

9 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

You put cal on ignore?

But how will you ever know how to properly skin and cook some random rodent? How will you know about how Hillary Clinton sex trafficked white children in the basement of a pizza shop? 

You are only hurting yourself, hoorta. 😉

Actually, I've had him on ignore for quite some time... I'll occasionally unhide his posts to see what he's up to... It was my mistake to engage him again.  I know his MO too well, both here and over on the Poli forum.  He'll just beat you down with bullshit and whataboutism until you just give up... 

 

[Dutch Oven]

21 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Actually, I've had him on ignore for quite some time... I'll occasionally unhide his posts to see what he's up to... It was my mistake to engage him again.  I know his MO too well, both here and over on the Poli forum.  He'll just beat you down with bullshit and whataboutism until you just give up... 

 

cal, and many of the other brilliant minds that circle jerk each other on the Poli Board are the people who inspired the old saying:

"Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience." 

[calfoxwc]

6 hours ago, hoorta said:

Actually, I've had him on ignore for quite some time... I'll occasionally unhide his posts to see what he's up to... It was my mistake to engage him again.  I know his MO too well, both here and over on the Poli forum.  He'll just beat you down with bullshit and whataboutism until you just give up... 

ah, but you told all of us when we were handing your ass to ya, that you were a mod and couldn't put anyone on ignore.

I made a great point.

Explain why the Bengals drafted Chase #5 overall, when they, per your nonsense, "didn't have to, because the qb can make any wr's superstars".

lol.

run and hide again. "no mas, I can't admit I'm wrong because I'm a mod" Hoorta.

Take your little ball and run all the way home.

Answer the question. Or, admit you conveniently quit.

[Dutch Oven]

6 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

ah, but you told all of us when we were handing your ass to ya, that you were a mod and couldn't put anyone on ignore.

I made a great point.

Explain why the Bengals drafted Chase #5 overall, when they, per your nonsense, "didn't have to, because the qb can make any wr's superstars".

lol.

run and hide again. "no mas, I can't admit I'm wrong because I'm a mod" Hoorta.

Take your little ball and run all the way home.

Answer the question. Or, admit you conveniently quit.

No one cares. 

[Westside Steve]

12 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

cal, and many of the other brilliant minds that circle jerk each other on the Poli Board are the people who inspired the old saying:

"Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience." 

Hey Dutchman I was tempted to say something about sauce for geese versus sauce for gander's or pots and Kettles but I think the point is this:

 Baker Mayfield his my guy. To quote Alice Cooper "if that don't suit ya*, that's a drag."

WSS

 

* not you personally but anybody in general.

🤘😄

And just for the record probably the smartest thing to do would for him to get the surgery now to get a better start on next season. But my heart says I hope they hate the f****** s*** eating Squeelers bad enough to f****** Roethlisberger's last game at 3 sewers or the ketchup Bowl whatever it is.

WSS

[Dutch Oven]

4 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

Hey Dutchman I was tempted to say something about sauce for geese versus sauce for gander's or pots and Kettles but I think the point is this:

 Baker Mayfield his my guy. To quote Alice Cooper "if that don't suit ya*, that's a drag."

WSS

 

* not you personally but anybody in general.

🤘😄

Guess what, Baker Mayfield is most likely going to be your guy, my guy, EVERYONE'S guy next year. Get him his surgery, his rehab, and continue to improve the roster around him. 

After next season? We'll see. 

[Westside Steve]

Just now, Dutch Oven said:

Guess what, Baker Mayfield is most likely going to be your guy, my guy, EVERYONE'S guy next year. Get him his surgery, his rehab, and continue to improve the roster around him. 

After that? We'll see. 

PS I just edited that laughed response check back and see if you agree.

😄

[gumby73]

which games did baker lose?

Regular Season
WK	DATE	OPPONENT	RESULT	W-L	HI PASS	HI RUSH	HI REC
1	Sun, Sep 12	@Kansas City	L33-29	0-1	Mayfield 321	Chubb 83	Njoku 76     2 fumbles lead to kc points
2	Sun, Sep 19	vsHouston	W31-21	1-1	Mayfield 213	Chubb 95	Felton 51     Baker rips shoulder
3	Sun, Sep 26	vsChicago	W26-6	2-1	Mayfield 246	Chubb 84	Beckham Jr. 77
4	Sun, Oct 3	@Minnesota	W14-7	3-1	Mayfield 155	Chubb 100	Higgins 63
5	Sun, Oct 10	@Los Angeles	L47-42	3-2	Mayfield 305	Chubb 161	Njoku 149       refs sucked/ our PK was 6 of 6
6	Sun, Oct 17	vsArizona	L37-14	3-3	Mayfield 234	Hunt 66	Peoples-Jones 101  Baker hurt again/ Zona dominated
7	Thu, Oct 21	vsDenver	W17-14	4-3	Keenum 199	Johnson 146	Hooper 42
8	Sun, Oct 31	vsPittsburgh	L15-10	4-4	Mayfield 225	Chubb 61	Landry 65>>>>>huge fumble loss/Stef/ offense stale/ PK 2 of 2
9	Sun, Nov 7	@Cincinnati	W41-16	5-4	Mayfield 218	Chubb 137	Peoples-Jones 86
10	Sun, Nov 14	@New England	L45-7	5-5	Keenum 81	Johnson 99	Johnson 58  like zona.. dominated
11	Sun, Nov 21	vsDetroit	W13-10	6-5	Mayfield 176	Chubb 130	Hooper 53   ugly win
12	Sun, Nov 28	@Baltimore	L16-10	6-6	Mayfield 247	Hunt 20	Landry 111   Did nothing with 4 turnovers. we turn it over twice..Chubb/Hunt combine 36 rushing yrds./PK -3 points
13	BYE WEEK
14	Sun, Dec 12	vsBaltimore	W24-22	7-6	Mayfield 190	Chubb 59	Peoples-Jones 90
15	Mon, Dec 20	vsLas Vegas	L16-14	7-7	Mullens 147	Chubb 91	Peoples-Jones 48  No Baker/ 3 points missed PK/game needed to be won
16	Sat, Dec 25	@Green Bay	L24-22	7-8	Mayfield 222	Chubb 126	Higgins 58   Nagger 1 missed XP/ Baker 4 picks/ Stef? 8.8/rush on 25 attempts//we throw 36 times?

game points lost/by  ... -4.....-5....-5....-6....-2....-2.....(no Pats nor Cards)  8 L's

we had our share of Covid & injuries just as 31 others..  buttttt. MAN!!  We had our chances !

[Unsympathetic]

How Baker Hurt The Browns V Packers -- 34 minutes of agreement with tia.

JT O'Sullivan [QB School channel] is a pretty good analyst.

"This video is about to be a damn hour long because I can't get over throwing a pick to a post safety on a post route"

[tiamat63]

19 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said:

How Baker Hurt The Browns V Packers -- 34 minutes of agreement with tia.

JT O'Sullivan [QB School channel] is a pretty good analyst.

"This video is about to be a damn hour long because I can't get over throwing a pick to a post safety on a post route"

Appreciate the nod. 

 I have more work, both bad AND some good of Baker,  actually, sitting on my desktop needing to be typed out and organized.     But I'm battling covid symptoms still and sleeping a great deal.   I'll get around to it at some point along with the off-season topics I wanted to tackle. 

Sadly NFL.com doesnt keep the All-22 from previous seasons archived and available,  so I'm going to reach out to a couple guys on reddit.  I really need the screenshots to go back and connect things I'm trying to show.

I'll check out that video after the game.

[tiamat63]

Two things I've been saying before and throughout this season.

- Joe Woods isn't the issue 

- Baker is the largest issue. 

 

Sad some of you need such disgustingly blatant examples to realize this.  

Also, if you didn't like my play breakdowns....

 

 

 

[hoorta]

2 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

Two things I've been saying before and throughout this season.

- Joe Woods isn't the issue 

- Baker is the largest issue. 

 

Sad some of you need such disgustingly blatant examples to realize this.  

Also, if you didn't like my play breakdowns....

 

 

 

Baker's QB play today was horrendously bad. Sure, there were drops. But damn, the accuracy just wasn't there at least 50% of the time. Batted down balls- staring down his receivers, and sacks where he had plenty of time to just throw the ball (four seconds) into the seats...  That was a sub college level backup performance. I'm pissed off at Stefanski for not benching him when he went 1 for ten on completions. What more did you need to see Kev? Grow a set, and sit him against the Bengals.  

I dare anyone to post and break down every one of Baker's misses... It's not going to be pretty. Damn, when you can't even hit your running back on a designed inside screen from 10 yards away?  That blows.    

[SkippinTurtles]

On 12/29/2021 at 5:38 AM, SkippinTurtles said:

17 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

Guess what, Baker Mayfield is most likely going to be your guy, my guy, EVERYONE'S guy next year. Get him his surgery, his rehab, and continue to improve the roster around him. 

After next season? We'll see. 

Bring in Big Ben and Antonio Brown.  Shake it up.

 

[tiamat63]

Zombo, Cal, Nickers, Steve and a few more of you.  This thread brilliantly describes what I've hinted at before.  The whole "I'd rather lose with Baker than win with anyone else".

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gbush91/status/1478291982128664582?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1478291982128664582|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html1478291982128664582

 

[Westside Steve]

24 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

Zombo, Cal, Nickers, Steve and a few more of you.  This thread brilliantly describes what I've hinted at before.  The whole "I'd rather lose with Baker than LOSE with anyone else".

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gbush91/status/1478291982128664582?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1478291982128664582|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html1478291982128664582

 

That's ridiculous so I fixed it for you.

Let me ask honestly is it your opinion we would have won with Case Keenum/Mullins/Lauletta at the helm?

WSS

[calfoxwc]

22 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

Zombo, Cal, Nickers, Steve and a few more of you.  This thread brilliantly describes what I've hinted at before.  The whole "I'd rather lose with Baker than win with anyone else".

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gbush91/status/1478291982128664582?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1478291982128664582|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html1478291982128664582

 

Garrett Bush ? Whines about Baker? and last year doesn't matter? - Baker played great last year. Baker's injury is the matter.

Nothing matters to him but blaming the qb? Even Doug Dieken was commenting on how the Browns wr's  - NONE OF THEM WERE GETTING OPEN.Perhaps Garrett won't be happy that the Browns will? draft a star wr next year.

Your contention is stupid. Most of us want to WIN - and they WON LAST YEAR WITH BAKER.

You Baker haters think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, when you can't see over the fence.

I'd rather listen to Dieken talking about how no wr's were getting open again and again, than Garrett Bush. lol

[tiamat63]

1 minute ago, Westside Steve said:

That's ridiculous so I fixed it for you.

Let me ask honestly is it your opinion we would have won with Case Keenum/Mullins/Lauletta at the helm?

WSS

As I've said before, especially when it comes to minimizing turnovers, Keenum would have been the wiser start for quite some time now. 

Do we win? It's possible we still lose, but some of the "how do you throw THAT int?!?" would likely have been cleaned up.  The pick to DPJ is my commentary in a nutshell.   Fewer turnovers gives your team a better shot at winning. Period.

That Twitter thread brilliantly captures some of the mentality on this board that I've hinted at.  

That doesn't absolve Stefanski for last night either. I'm not sure what is running through his head right now but it's unbecoming of a decent NFL HC.

Enjoy the off-season, I have work to do.  Feel free to check back in for any of my future segments.