VaporTrail Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 Press S to spit on his grave. S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 I've always had a great deal of respect for Donald Rumsfeld. May he rest in peace. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 A great man. RIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 Help sell the lie which lead to the invasion of Iraq and half dozen of my friends serving at least 3 tours for what amounted to a giant *shrug*. One never coming home, the other becoming a quad amputee. The other 4 still dealing with their own issues to this day. And don't even get them started on Afghanistan. I'm not the man upstairs and I certainly won't speak for him on this one. But I can't help to think Donny is getting some questions and Barbs thrown his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 2 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Help sell the lie which lead to the invasion of Iraq and half dozen of my friends serving at least 3 tours for what amounted to a giant *shrug*. One never coming home, the other becoming a quad amputee. The other 4 still dealing with their own issues to this day. And don't even get them started on Afghanistan. I'm not the man upstairs and I certainly won't speak for him on this one. But I can't help to think Donny is getting some questions and Barbs thrown his way. Afghanistan? WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Afghanistan? WSS It's a long winded story with many moving parts. What I've heard, from actual experiences to personal interpretations to how they viewed the "mission" has largely been tragic and depressing. Especially those who were lead to believe that their work in Afghanistan was helping to fight against the heroin epidemic back home. Several of those guys who came back home, being from small(er) towns, who found their sacrifice wasn't what they were told. One day, when I have about an hour straight to type... I'll relay (paraphrase) what I've listened to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 Well, a hs friend of mine was in intel in Iraq. I asked him about us going into Iraq - was it proper or not. Now, he was always a serious independent/libertarian free thinker who was reading stuff about socialism, so he was never a right winger. I was surprised when he said that if the American people knew the truth, they would be all in favor of having gone into Iraq. He wouldn't elaborate, but he was very serious about it. A lot of guys on the ground are not privy to secrets up on high, and why some decisions are made. He said what they found when they went in, was scary. I just never could get him to explain what that meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 1 hour ago, calfoxwc said: Well, a hs friend of mine was in intel in Iraq. I asked him about us going into Iraq - was it proper or not. Now, he was always a serious independent/libertarian free thinker who was reading stuff about socialism, so he was never a right winger. I was surprised when he said that if the American people knew the truth, they would be all in favor of having gone into Iraq. He wouldn't elaborate, but he was very serious about it. A lot of guys on the ground are not privy to secrets up on high, and why some decisions are made. He said what they found when they went in, was scary. I just never could get him to explain what that meant. Did they find Democrats? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted July 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2021 7 hours ago, tiamat63 said: It's a long winded story with many moving parts. What I've heard, from actual experiences to personal interpretations to how they viewed the "mission" has largely been tragic and depressing. Especially those who were lead to believe that their work in Afghanistan was helping to fight against the heroin epidemic back home. Several of those guys who came back home, being from small(er) towns, who found their sacrifice wasn't what they were told. One day, when I have about an hour straight to type... I'll relay (paraphrase) what I've listened to. Would love to hear you share it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 3, 2021 Report Share Posted July 3, 2021 14 hours ago, tiamat63 said: It's a long winded story with many moving parts. What I've heard, from actual experiences to personal interpretations to how they viewed the "mission" has largely been tragic and depressing. Especially those who were lead to believe that their work in Afghanistan was helping to fight against the heroin epidemic back home. Several of those guys who came back home, being from small(er) towns, who found their sacrifice wasn't what they were told. One day, when I have about an hour straight to type... I'll relay (paraphrase) what I've listened to. 1st I would imagine that any armed conflict anywhere for any reason is going to breed anecdotal disillusionment. That being said I've never thought the Afghanistan conflict was worth a fuck. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted July 3, 2021 Report Share Posted July 3, 2021 The Chinese and Russians are happy about it. Bagram Air Base was a strategically located Air base. It was like China having a large Air Base in Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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