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Westside Steve Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 I guess they have a choice. Move the plant to Mexico to avoid the higher taxes and restrictions or give up the Union jobs to the illegals Joe's bringing in; tough call. WSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 May the cockaholics (you know who you are) on this board rejoice over their presidential vote selection..🖕 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 11 hours ago, Westside Steve said: I guess they have a choice. Move the plant to Mexico to avoid the higher taxes and restrictions or give up the Union jobs to the illegals Joe's bringing in; tough call. WSS Well, I think that pretty much says you have no idea what it takes to get hired in the auto industry. You don't just walk in to one of those union jobs.🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 29 minutes ago, Neo said: Well, I think that pretty much says you have no idea what it takes to get hired in the auto industry. You don't just walk in to one of those union jobs.🙄 So you're anti-union, or is this going way over my head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bob806 said: So you're anti-union, or is this going way over my head? Don't worry he just doesn't understand that there are non Union auto plants as well. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: Don't worry he just doesn't understand that there are non Union auto plants as well. WSS I'm not worried, but you know I'm a union guy & get a tad sensitive about union bashing. Unless it's warranted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bob806 said: I'm not worried, but you know I'm a union guy & get a tad sensitive about union bashing. Unless it's warranted. I know that. And like I said I think the move is more likely based on taxes and regulation. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Just now, Westside Steve said: I know that. And like I said I think the move is more likely based on taxes and regulation. WSS Most certainly. It's just weird to me though- if you look at Capitalism, which is fantastic BTW, the companies obviously look to maximize profits, and make moves like these. But when workers (union or non-union) look to maximize wages, it's kind of frowned upon. Capitalism is a two way street. Corporations don't always see it that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 29 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: Don't worry he just doesn't understand that there are non Union auto plants as well. WSS I remember I tried getting a job at the Chevy plant in Parma and the Ford Plant in Brookpark. No fucking way (this was in the early 70's). You either had to have a relative who worked there or some connection to get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Don't worry he just doesn't understand that there are non Union auto plants as well. WSS Yea, know fucking shit, but the plant in question IS union. There is no fucking way an illegal is walking into any of the big 3 and getting a union job. Hell, they probably wouldn't even hire them as a summer temp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 17 hours ago, Westside Steve said: I guess they have a choice. Move the plant to Mexico to avoid the higher taxes and restrictions or give up the Union jobs to the illegals Joe's bringing in; tough call. WSS Guess they puts to bed the notion of skilled union labor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, BaconHound said: Guess they puts to bed the notion of skilled union labor. Lots of leeway especially with the Teamsters. I was a janitor at consolidated freightways a Union shop The guys that loaded and unloaded the trucks were Union. I doubt any had advanced degrees. Other guys might well have been skilled tradesmen. Union didn't particularly differentiate. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: Lots of leeway especially with the Teamsters. I was a janitor at consolidated freightways a Union shop The guys that loaded and unloaded the trucks were Union. I doubt any had advanced degrees. Other guys might well have been skilled tradesmen. Union didn't particularly differentiate. WSS Just being an idiot. Have good relationships with Plumbers & Fitters local. Just find it funny that all these gang member, drug dealer, rapists and killers are also awesome at working in an auto factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted March 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, BaconHound said: Just being an idiot. Have good relationships with Plumbers & Fitters local. Just find it funny that all these gang member, drug dealer, rapists and killers are also awesome at working in an auto factory. Democrats have to start somewhere!👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Unions helped American workers be treated fairly, have safe working conditions, and got them fair wages. Terrible stories - read a book on coal mine unions back in the day. Starting a union led to death and destruction. Check a good book on it - google them. The trouble started with SOME unions, when they were no longer needed, and had to make themselves still relevant with out of necessity nitpicking bickering. Meanwhile, the union brass got filthy rich, and pushed fair wages into extravagant wages to keep support for their exorbitant salaries, and eventually some businesses went out of business or closed up and moved elsewhere. and that comes from an old former union guy in a giant company - he said he was proud of the unions most of his life, but they wouldn't quit fighting the company, even when there was NOTHING to fight for. etc etc. and the politics - some unions have gone way off the mark with political bigotry and leftwing bonuses. like AFL-CIO Richard Trumke. And VP Tefere Gebre is also a leftwing systemic racism democrat from Ethiopia. then there is the SEIU. When the Labor Unions Fought Socialism - Capital Research ... https://capitalresearch.org/article/when-the-labor-unions-fought-socialism Apr 03, 2019 · By 1995, one of these government-sector union leaders, then-Service Employees International Union (SEIU) president John Sweeney—who reportedly joined the Democratic Socialists of America to show he would be more aligned with the Left than Kirkland—took control of Meany’s and Kirkland’s old federation, having been elected with the support of other government worker unions like … If Only 1199 SEIU Union Members Really Knew - American Thinker https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/05/... May 23, 2020 · Gresham's position "as 1199 SEIU president has made him a prominent figure in New York politics. Gresham led 1199 SEIU into being a major player in New York's left-wing … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 https://www.dailywire.com/news/uaw-official-blasts-ford-for-relocating-manufacturing-from-ohio-to-mexico?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro&fbclid=IwAR2S0mJmRxQMS2d9BC4Ylv14DcYR0VJntu-ex3-GLNsK8vZSD4BUqV_XlOw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 16 hours ago, BaconHound said: Just being an idiot. Have good relationships with Plumbers & Fitters local. Just find it funny that all these gang member, drug dealer, rapists and killers are also awesome at working in an auto factory. Not all raccoons have rabies but I still don't keep my doors and windows open. 😆 WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Not all raccoons have rabies but I still don't keep my doors and windows open. 😆 WSS Soooo racist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 On 3/19/2021 at 8:59 AM, Bob806 said: Most certainly. It's just weird to me though- if you look at Capitalism, which is fantastic BTW, the companies obviously look to maximize profits, and make moves like these. But when workers (union or non-union) look to maximize wages, it's kind of frowned upon. Capitalism is a two way street. Corporations don't always see it that way. #1 liability for employers ? Payroll... it is first to get looked at and axed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, BaconHound said: Soooo racist Some of my best friends are raccoons. WSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hammertime Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 All unions need reform, restructuring and vetted leadership. Racoons are nasty and make lotsa noise when your killing them. Even the baby ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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