MLD Woody Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 3 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: As the medical professionals have said, viruses do not recognize borders. This spread before it was detectable or even known, and by then it was too late. But will they recognize walls????? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 All I can say is in only willing to live like a goddamn prisoner for so long before it's time to say fuck the old and sick. You can't cancel the lives of the young and healthy in order to attempt to save people already near death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 6 hours ago, calfoxwc said: I get your point - however - read the article - they don't need passports - nothing. they closed the border checkpoints. no control, anything goes. That scared and infuriated Britain - and for other reasons as well, they got the heck OUT. It pretty much works like the US, my friend. In the borders with countries out of the EU you are asked for your passport, but for example not when travelling by car from Spain to France. You can use your ID when travelling by plane between member countries, but it is recommended (and I think almost everyone does like this) travelling with your passport. UK wants out of the EU simply because they feel special. Very special. They already had a special treatment with the EU and wanted more of a special treatment. Spain and Italy have suffered way more problems with immigration through the years and had to cope them on their own, but when that problem started getting to them (Eurotunnel, for example) it was "too much" for them, when they have been ignoring boats in the Mediterranean for decades. Don't bite it. They didn't want out for the immigration, they used it as a scapegoat. They wanted out because EU means teaming up not only with Belgium, The Netherlands, Germany, France, Italy and Spain, but with many other minor countries aswell. They wanted all the benefits from being on the EU with none of the cons. For instance, EVERY important country had to endure a small recession on their own when changing to the Euro, so they decided to stay with the Pounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 6 hours ago, MLD Woody said: But will they recognize walls????? Yes, if wiped clean with clorox wipes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/coronavirus-mortality-rate-lower-than-we-think.html This isn't from Fox News or ammoland for The Rush Limbaugh Show. This is from one of the hardest left Publications in America. And nobody even considered this kind of panic in 2009 for the swine flu. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Cysko Kid Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHorMp0XkJplzuXkFD97B0sqGAgEKg8IACoHCAow-KLyCTDo8XIwqa_pBQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen About the Spanish flu - referenced almost immediately whenever someone posts an article about coronavirus. The death rate of Spanish flu was not 2-3 % that is a mathematical impossibility. It was more like 10-20% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said: https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHorMp0XkJplzuXkFD97B0sqGAgEKg8IACoHCAow-KLyCTDo8XIwqa_pBQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen About the Spanish flu - referenced almost immediately whenever someone posts an article about coronavirus. The death rate of Spanish flu was not 2-3 % that is a mathematical impossibility. It was more like 10-20% When I first posted about the coronavirus most people were not even talking about it or seemed to realize what a potential problem this flu could be. I had read a number of books by people who lived through the Spanish flu and they talked about the quarantines and how disruptive this flu was to their lives. I posted in that regard that this flu had the potential to be a serious crisis and we needed to take a flu pandemic seriously. These posts were usually met with funny memes which I don't see being posted now. Except for Diehards below...🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldBrownsFan Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 As much as I hated to see all the sports cancelled I see the wisdom of doing it. This flu may primarily hit the elderly and those with pre existing health problems harder than the rest of the population but there are still plenty of stories of younger patients with no health problems who had severe symptoms and had to be put on a ventilator. And that is the real concern that we do not have enough ventilators. What they are doing with keeping people from large gatherings is to try to keep a spike of the flu from happening at the same time and overwhelming the hospitals with those needing to be put on a ventilator. This just happened in Italy where people were dying who needed to be on a ventilator but they didn't have enough because of a spike in the amount of the flu spreading. As our CDC said we were not prepared for massive testing which South Korea is doing now and seems to be the most effective way thus far of dealing with the coronavirus. They are working quickly now to get testing up to speed but we lost some critical time before doing it. The best thing now is to try to keep this flu from spiking and overwhelming our hospitals while trying to get testing up to speed. https://thelogicalindian.com/news/italy-coronavirus-outbreak-20148 https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3074469/coronavirus-south-korea-cuts-infection-rate-without https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3075170/i-was-stupidly-overconfident-south-korean-coronavirus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 31 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: As much as I hated to see all the sports cancelled I see the wisdom of doing it. This flu may primarily hit the elderly and those with pre existing health problems harder how about this then... Travel restrictions and quarantine for anybody over the age of 75 or with any kind of pre-existing condition? WSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Nero said: UK wants out of the EU simply because they feel special. Very special. I don't believe that is true. The benefits of sovereignty are lost with the collective. The EU was even talking about having their own army. The EU was accruing more and more power to act like one country. Meanwhile, back at the ranch... I mean, in England: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/06/brexit-eu/488597/ "The force that turned Britain away from the European Union was the greatest mass migration since perhaps the Anglo-Saxon invasion. 630,000 foreign nationals settled in Britain in the single year 2015. Britain’s population has grown from 57 million in 1990 to 65 million in 2015, despite a native birth rate that’s now below replacement. On Britain’s present course, the population would top 70 million within another decade, half of that growth immigration-driven. British population growth is not generally perceived to benefit British-born people. Migration stresses schools, hospitals, and above all, housing. The median house price in London already amounts to 12 times the median local salary. Rich migrants outbid British buyers for the best properties; poor migrants are willing to crowd more densely into a dwelling than British-born people are accustomed to tolerating." "The June 23 vote represents a huge popular rebellion against a future in which British people feel increasingly crowded within—and even crowded out of—their own country: More than 200,000 British-born people leave the U.K. every year for brighter futures abroad, in Australia above all, the United States in second place." "Now the American question: By uncanny coincidence, EU referendum day in the U.K. coincided with the U.S. Supreme Court decision that halts President Obama’s program of executive amnesty for young illegal immigrants and their parents, an estimated 5 million people. American policymakers—like their U.K. and EU counterparts—have taken for granted that an open global economy implies (and even requires) the mass migration of people. Yet this same mass migration is generating populist, nativist reactions that threaten that same open economy: The anti-EU vote in the U.K., the Donald Trump campaign for president in the United States. If any one person drove the United Kingdom out of the European Union, it was Angela Merkel, and her impulsive solo decision in the summer of 2015 to throw open Germany—and then all Europe—to 1.1 million Middle Eastern and North African migrants, with uncountable millions more to come. Merkel’s catastrophically negative example is one that perhaps should be avoided by U.S. politicians who seek to avert Trump-style populism in the United States. Instead, the politician who most directly opposes Donald Trump—presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton—is doubling down on Merkelism. Hillary Clinton’s first reaction to the Supreme Court decision on executive amnesty looks at the issue exclusively and entirely from the point of view of the migrants themselves: “Today’s heartbreaking #SCOTUS immigration ruling could tear apart 5 million families facing deportation. We must do better.” That U.S. citizens might have different interests—and that it is the interests of citizens that deserve the highest attention of officials elected by those citizens—went unsaid and apparently unconsidered. But somebody is considering it. And those somebodies, in their many millions, are being heard from this year: loud, clear, and angry. We want to hear what you think about this article. Submit a letter to the editor or write to letters@theatlantic.com. David Frum is a staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of Trumpocalypse: Restoring American Democracy (2020). In 2001 and 2002, he was a speechwriter for President George W. Bush." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: how about this then... Travel restrictions and quarantine for anybody over the age of 75 or with any kind of pre-existing condition? WSS The CDC lists those at higher risk as anyone over the age of 60. That age 75 number for travel restrictions and quarantines wouldn't have anything to do with you being in your 60's would it WSS? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: how about this then... Travel restrictions and quarantine for anybody over the age of 75 or with any kind of pre-existing condition? WSS er...because you still allow it to go widespread and contaminate everything and everybody faster. I am amazed at how quickly this virus has spread to nearly every state in the U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 minute ago, calfoxwc said: er...because you still allow it to go widespread and contaminate everything and everybody faster. I am amazed at how quickly this virus has spread to nearly every state in the U.S. The silver lining is that the mortality rate does not appear to be as bad as we once thought but when it comes to being contagious I don't remember anything like this in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: er...because you still allow it to go widespread and contaminate everything and everybody faster. I am amazed at how quickly this virus has spread to nearly every state in the U.S. Probably been here all along like any other disease. Since it's not as severe as the regular flu people just think they have a cold it comes it goes and they don't think about it. Now that everybody is freaking the hell out they go and get tested and find out that that cold that they had that would go away in 7 Days is now called something else and they get to be celebrity. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: Probably been here all along like any other disease. Since it's not as severe as the regular flu people just think they have a cold it comes it goes and they don't think about it. Now that everybody is freaking the hell out they go and get tested and find out that that cold that they had that would go away and 7 Days is now called something else and they get to be celebrity. WSS The biggest problem I see is the contagiousness of the disease where massive amounts of people could be sick at once. As you say most people will have milder symptoms but with a big spread of the flu there will be too many people with severe symptoms and hospitals will be overwhelmed like we have seen most recently in Italy. And people panic...those of us who have been around the block saw the panic at the grocery stores coming weeks ago and prepared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: Probably been here all along like any other disease. Since it's not as severe as the regular flu people just think they have a cold it comes it goes and they don't think about it. Now that everybody is freaking the hell out they go and get tested and find out that that cold that they had that would go away in 7 Days is now called something else and they get to be celebrity. WSS Its more severe than the regular flu by quite a bit according to what I've been hearing on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 https://www.sciencealert.com/the-new-coronavirus-isn-t-like-the-flu-but-they-have-one-big-thing-in-common Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 A great case study to see if our country (and others) would listen to scientists and other experts. and the results are what you would expect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 I just want to point out I was well ahead of the whole "Boomer Remover" bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 Also, this was 12 days ago. The Apocalypse was supposed to be wreaking massive casualties by now. It hasn't. There's some people dead. Not that many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 I think its all in your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Cysko Kid Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 4 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: Its more severe than the regular flu by quite a bit according to what I've been hearing on TV. Oh yeah? I heard on TV that Bret kavanaugh was a rapist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 Things that make you go "hmmmm" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 'COMPLETELY INSUFFICIENT' AOC rips bipartisan coronavirus bill, ticks off new list of where $$ should go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 5 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Things that make you go "hmmmm" President Trump tests negative for coronavirus, White House physician says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 NBC News Goes Full Communist Fluffer With Ridiculous Editorial On Wuhan Coronavirus https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/03/14/nbc-goes-full-communist-fluffer-with-ridiculous-editorial/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Vambo said: President Trump tests negative for coronavirus, White House physician says And thank Christ for that. Think what you're seeing now is panic? Imagine if the President had it or succumbs to it?!? Unreal levels of idiocy then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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