Tour2ma Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 Time to kick this off with an interesting article that hit the net today... 3 Stefanski linked free agents that could alter Cleveland Browns draft plans by Randy Gurzi 9 hours ago https://withthefirstpick.com/2020/01/15/stefanski-linked-free-agents-alter-browns-2020-nfl-draft/ 3. Rashod Hill, RT 2. Jarius Wright, WR 1. Anthony Harris, S ================================================================================== While I see nothing special in Hill or Wright... Harris is intriguing. Kid came on strong in 2019 with 6 INTs and 60 tackles. The five-year, low-mileage Pro graded out as PFF's top Sadety this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 My first stated target posted days ago in another thread is Colts' UFA, Anthony Castonzo (LT). https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2019/12/13/critical-decision-looms-colts-unheralded-star-anthony-castonzo/2633773001/ Probably going to take top dollar ($15-16mm/yr) to pull him from Indy (who has even more cap room than we do... a lot more...) and at that price he's not a great value, but he's easily the best OT UFA for 2020. Have a lot of draft candidates to cull thru between now and the draft, but so far... and it's very early... I'm not aware of a competitive fix for LT in our OL. And it allows us to resign Robinson for RT duty where he's still a marginal, but serviceable, choice. Someone commented after my earlier mention that Anthony may be considering retirement and that appears to be the case. Coming off a 4-year, $11mm/yr contract more money may not be the best motivator, but Castonzo will only be 32 in August and had a healthy 2019 making all 16 starts. So his deliberation may just be one of those "How much longer do I want to do this?" exercises many vets who have a choice go through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 PFF's top 50. Tags begin 3-10, Trading begins 3-18-2020. Draft 4-23-20 https://pff.com/news/nfl-the-50-best-available-nfl-free-agents-in-2020 To the "Find a Way Depo guy".. how bout first finding a GM your head coach was to match-up well with.. That has never seen the past Has-SLAM resume.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 54 minutes ago, gumby73 said: PFF's top 50. Tags begin 3-10, Trading begins 3-18-2020. Draft 4-23-20 https://pff.com/news/nfl-the-50-best-available-nfl-free-agents-in-2020 To the "Find a Way Depo guy".. how bout first finding a GM your head coach was to match-up well with.. That has never seen the past Has-SLAM resume.. No Randall on that list? I thought he would’ve been more highly regarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 It was kicked off a month ago: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 13 hours ago, Tour2ma said: My first stated target posted days ago in another thread is Colts' UFA, Anthony Castonzo (LT). https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2019/12/13/critical-decision-looms-colts-unheralded-star-anthony-castonzo/2633773001/ Probably going to take top dollar ($15-16mm/yr) to pull him from Indy (who has even more cap room than we do... a lot more...) and at that price he's not a great value, but he's easily the best OT UFA for 2020. Have a lot of draft candidates to cull thru between now and the draft, but so far... and it's very early... I'm not aware of a competitive fix for LT in our OL. And it allows us to resign Robinson for RT duty where he's still a marginal, but serviceable, choice. Someone commented after my earlier mention that Anthony may be considering retirement and that appears to be the case. Coming off a 4-year, $11mm/yr contract more money may not be the best motivator, but Castonzo will only be 32 in August and had a healthy 2019 making all 16 starts. So his deliberation may just be one of those "How much longer do I want to do this?" exercises many vets who have a choice go through. It probably is tempting for one year or so, but it's a very deep OT class. The benefits of drafting your own guy and letting him roll for a career are huge, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 Derrick Henry😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 16 hours ago, Tour2ma said: My first stated target posted days ago in another thread is Colts' UFA, Anthony Castonzo (LT). https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2019/12/13/critical-decision-looms-colts-unheralded-star-anthony-castonzo/2633773001/ Probably going to take top dollar ($15-16mm/yr) to pull him from Indy (who has even more cap room than we do... a lot more...) and at that price he's not a great value, but he's easily the best OT UFA for 2020. Have a lot of draft candidates to cull thru between now and the draft, but so far... and it's very early... I'm not aware of a competitive fix for LT in our OL. And it allows us to resign Robinson for RT duty where he's still a marginal, but serviceable, choice. Someone commented after my earlier mention that Anthony may be considering retirement and that appears to be the case. Coming off a 4-year, $11mm/yr contract more money may not be the best motivator, but Castonzo will only be 32 in August and had a healthy 2019 making all 16 starts. So his deliberation may just be one of those "How much longer do I want to do this?" exercises many vets who have a choice go through. Rumor was back to Colts or he’d retire. excellent short term overpay though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: Derrick Henry😜 If he bring Vrabel with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 8 hours ago, calfoxwc said: It probably is tempting for one year or so, but it's a very deep OT class. The benefits of drafting your own guy and letting him roll for a career are huge, I think. Problem is that "Depth" does not necessarily mean plug and play quality is there. There are always a ton of OTs in a draft class... just as there are WRs and DBs... problem is a fair number of even the better OT prospects end up being OGs or Cs in the Pros. The question is... how talented is this OT class? Preliminary looks at the consensus top two prospects by tia and I have underwhelmed us. That is not boding well for the quality of the class. Growing your own is preferable, but do we have that luxury given the quality of our 2019 starters? We may not have a choice, but do we have the luxury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 A little more clickbait https://factoryofsadness.co/2020/01/16/cleveland-browns-5-free-agents-to-bolster-the-squad/amp/4/ WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Westside Steve said: A little more clickbait Got that right... Couple good names there would fill needs, but not exactly a discriminating list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 8:30 PM, Tour2ma said: Problem is that "Depth" does not necessarily mean plug and play quality is there. There are always a ton of OTs in a draft class... just as there are WRs and DBs... problem is a fair number of even the better OT prospects end up being OGs or Cs in the Pros. The question is... how talented is this OT class? Preliminary looks at the consensus top two prospects by tia and I have underwhelmed us. That is not boding well for the quality of the class. Growing your own is preferable, but do we have that luxury given the quality of our 2019 starters? We may not have a choice, but do we have the luxury? sure. The OT class isn't anywhere near the quality of the wr class. But there are offensive linemen who could step in and help the Browns further down than the third round. The tough part, is knowing who they are. There have been UDFA who have had nice careers in the NFL... plenty of draftable talent. Picking the one that helps your team is the harder part. I figure the Browns picked Corbett out of need, that is a bad idea. I think back to players I admired with the Browns, like OG Robert Jackson. He was undrafted, but had a nice career, over ten year, all with the Browns. I believe there are gems in this draft well into the fifth/sixth rounds...then who knows, I don't. Obviously, when I tossed out my 3 round draft, it was disregarding free agency and the combine. But when I looked at the OL class, OT tackles stood out to me. I'm not alone, for whatever that is worth: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Couple more OTs hitting the market that caught my eye... Another high-end UFA to go with Castonzo... the Pack Titan's Jack Conklin. Still young... he's going to cost even more in total. And there are a couple in the more affordable category... Brian Bulaga (GB)... can't see the Pack committing to both him and Conklin; played hurt much of 2019. Cornelius Lucas (CHI)... pressed into service in 2019 and had a good year. Hala Vaitai (PHI)... also pressed into service and had a very good 2019 season. <==== a real target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Couple more OTs hitting the market that caught my eye... Another high-end UFA to go with Castonzo... the Pack's Jack Conklin. Still young... he's going to cost even more in total. And there are a couple in the more affordable category... Brian Bulaga (GB)... can't see the Pack committing to both him and Conklin; played hurt much of 2019. Cornelius Lucas (CHI)... pressed into service in 2019 and had a good year. Hala Vaitai (PHI)... also pressed into service and had a very good 2019 season. <==== a real target. ? Conklin plays for the Titans, my guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 And for OG... couple of likely high-priced options... Graham Glasgow (DET)... young, very good, going to cost maybe $10mm/yr. Joe Thuney (NE).... also young might be cheaper due to questions around OL who leave NE. And more reasonably priced... Steve Wisniewski (KC)... injured in 2019, bit older, but not old, can still play and play well Earl Watford (TB)... spot starter journeyman that graded out well at PFF (#27 OG) Eric Flowers (WSH)... flopped at OT in NYG/JAX, but moved inside with WSH and played decent Denzelle Good (OAK)... part-timed his way to PFF's #26 spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: ? Conklin plays for the Titans, my guy. oops... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Thuney's going to be north of 10M annually Scherff/Washington should be on the high-priced OG list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 18 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: Scherff/Washington should be on the high-priced OG list I am only listing folks in which I would have interest If I Ruled the World... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: I am only listing folks in which I would have interest If I Ruled the World... Or if I were a rich businessman with a zillion bucks and thought buying a football team would be fun.....eh? Something to do for 17 weeks in the fall/winter? Stay in a nice warm booth with a TV and drink cocktails watching them play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 On 1/21/2020 at 5:00 PM, Tour2ma said: Steve Wisniewski (KC)... injured in 2019, bit older, but not old, can still play and play well Steve is a retired ex-Raider... Stefen Wiesniewski was named KC's most improved player by PFF... He turns 31 this March. He'd be a nice, economical signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 I've always liked Hunter Henry. Usually have him on my FFL, but injuries kept me from playing him as much as I wanted to. Might come cheap with that history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 Heard this today: It is seemingly imperative for the Browns to get one starting OT out of FA, and one out of the Draft. Chris Hubbard is an adequate backup, but not starter. Jack Conklin seems to be a major target for RT. Also need help at Safety and Linebacker. Combination of FA and draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Wonder how much $$ Chris Harris is looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Wonder how much $$ Chris Harris is looking for. Quote Projected Contract 2 yrs — $13m avg/yr $13m guaranteed, $26m total Via overthecap.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: That's a little lower than what I had in mind, TBH. I had some football related thoughts racking around in my head earlier today. The future of the defense, both immediate and longterm, was the biggest of those. Specifically our pass rush vs our coverage and how Joe Woods would intend on limiting the run via a combination of personnel and/or numbers committed to the box. In short, if our new front office is going to weigh the dollars vs field value of certain players, I can't imagine Vernon stays through the off-season. I also don't suspect we can immediately supplement the other edge rusher spot so easily with a rookie or combination of FA and in-house talent. I think priority #1 for this dline needs to be getting stronger at limiting the opposing rushing attacks which also means Vernon has to go. That may dictate taking a look at how our coverage holds up, especially on early downs where teams showed a tendency to attack our secondary at times out of more "traditional" running formations. I'm also looking at money invested in position groups and realizing that Denzel is still on the cheap for another year or two, Greedy at minimum 2 years and Terrance Mitchell has a reasonable contract as well. My initial thought ? I would love to drop a few dollars on a great corner like Harris who can erase slot receivers and already would have great familiarity with the defense Woods is installing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 OK... here's my Bang-for-the-Buck FA shopping list... Offense OT - Halapoulivaati Vaitai (PHI); PFF's # 21 OT in 2019; Age: 26; My Est'd Cost: $24mm/4 yrs w/ $6mm Guaranteed OG - Stefen Wiesnewski (KC); #16 OG; Age: 31; My Est. $6mm/2 yrs w/ $1.5mm guar TE - Charles Clay (AZ); #29 TE; Age 31; My Est. $3.0mm w/ $1mm guar WR - Higgins; Age 25; My Est. $10mm/4 yr plus incentives up to another $10mm; $2mm guar RB - CJ Prosise; Age 25; My Est. $2mm/2 yr; $400k guar QB - AJ McCarron; Age 29; My Est. $5mm/2 yr; $2mm guar Defense DT - Michael Pierce (BLT); #45 DL (Top Ten prior season); Age 27.2; OTC Est. $15mm/3 yr w/ $6.5mm guar DE - Vinny Curry (PHI); #22 Edge; Age 31; OTC Est. $9.5mm/2 yr w/$4.5mm guar ILB - Nick Kwiatkowski (CHI); #15 LB; Age 26; OTC Est. $6.5mm/2 yr w/$2.6mm guar OLB - Mychal Kendricks (SEA); #37 LB; Age 29; My Est. $6mm/2 yr w/$1mm guar FS - Jimmie Ward (SF); #6 S; Age 29; OTC Est. $16mm/2 yr w/ $6mm guar SS - Jayron Kearse (MN); Age 26; My Est. $10mm/4 yr w/$500k guar plus Incentives up to added $10mm w/$1.5mm guar CB - Maurice Canady (NYJ); #20 CB; Age 26; My Est. $4.5mm/3 yr w/$1mm guar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 QB - AJ McCarron; Age 29; My Est. $5mm/2 yr; $2mm guar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 It's an MKC article.... so there's that... but the emphasis it places on our OL interest in FA includes some impressive names. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/03/case-keenum-as-the-ideal-backup-to-baker-mayfield-letting-joe-schobert-walk-and-other-browns-takes-from-combine-week.html 4. Redskins guard Brandon Scherff 5. Patriots guard Joe Thuney 6. Redskins left tackle Trent Williams (Trade) 7. Titans right tackle Jack Conklin Obviously it's either 4 or 5 and likely either 6 or 7, but the names show we are looking to the top shelf for up to two OL needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 I am still of the opinion that the Free Agency period should be starting like NOW.....first of March or thereabouts. Not 2 weeks from now. Just exactly what is the league waiting for? Is this the designated "take a Carribean vacation" period? If so, I can understand that. Or is it just an "evaluation" period? I would think they have had plenty of time for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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