Bob806 Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 13 hours ago, The Gipper said: Marty? Browns 1986, yes. What others? No Gipper, I was writing about Bill Cowher in a response to Nickers. Cowher was 2-4 in AFC Title games, losing all 4 in his own stadium. Was Cowher a great coach? The answer would be yes. He certainly was a great motivator for his players. Is he a Hall of Fame coach? Well, now he is but I say NO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Bob806 said: No Gipper, I was writing about Bill Cowher in a response to Nickers. Cowher was 2-4 in AFC Title games, losing all 4 in his own stadium. Was Cowher a great coach? The answer would be yes. He certainly was a great motivator for his players. Is he a Hall of Fame coach? Well, now he is but I say NO. OK, but saying no is superfluous. But I think perhaps the analysis is: If Cowher is someone that belongs in the HOF, then so do X,Y, Z who are not yet in. I sort of did that above, with Flores, Reeves, Marty, others. Chuck Knox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 17 hours ago, The Gipper said: OK, but saying no is superfluous. But I think perhaps the analysis is: If Cowher is someone that belongs in the HOF, then so do X,Y, Z who are not yet in. I sort of did that above, with Flores, Reeves, Marty, others. Chuck Knox I see. Well little folks like the fans will never have a say-so. Admitting I have some anger issues, jealousy issues with Pittsburgh and Denver, if you compare apples-to-apples, it's pretty obvious Reeves had a far better coaching career. There's a definite Steelers bias with the HOF. Lots of great NFL players played in Pittsburgh, but they are over represented as a whole in Canton IMHO. I use Kevin Greene and Lynn Swan as examples. Denver....who's in? Off the top of my head it's Elway, Floyd Little, & Terrell Davis. Where's Randy Gradishar, Rick Upchurch, Steve Atwater, Carl Mecklenburg?They've had similar success as a franchise as Pittsburgh over about the same time frame (1970-present). It's plain wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Not listing Polamalu is only showing the bias of some of you. He's going in and if he doesn't it will be because he doesnt care about accolades and the hall has an ego to floss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Vagitron said: Not listing Polamalu is only showing the bias of some of you. He's going in and if he doesn't it will be because he doesnt care about accolades and the hall has an ego to floss. if he doesn't, it's because he is a girly-man who was a cheap shot artist even before the NFL..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 The rest of the list was revealed this morning. Here are the names that got in: Jimbo Covert OT 80s Bears Winston Hill OT Jets Harold Carmichael WR Eagles Duke Slater OT....several teams from the 20s Ed Sprinkle dE/LB 40s Bears Steve Sabol NFL Films Alex Karras DT Lions "Mongo" Bobby Dillon S 50s Packers (not to be confused with Bobby Dylan) Donnie Shell DB 70s Steelers George Young. GM for the Colts in 60s, Dolphins Dynasty, and Giants in 80s Cliff Harris S Cowboys Paul Tagliabue Commish Mac Speedie WR 40s/50s Browns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 There's a name you don't hear too often started in the defunct AAFC and with the new current NFL Browns. Speedie will become the Browns' 17th Hall of Famer and first inducted since Gene Hickerson in 2007. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Vagitron said: Not listing Polamalu is only showing the bias of some of you. He's going in and if he doesn't it will be because he doesnt care about accolades and the hall has an ego to floss. Or, maybe, like in my opinion, he is up against a couple of other Safeties who have waited longer and who were likely better, in John Lynch and Steve Atwater. But you are right....he will go in someday....maybe even this year, whether he deserves it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, Zombo said: Modell didnt make it, pop the champagne. Z Hard to make any HOF when on one side you had some contributions to the game -but- on the other you're a shady operator. May he just fade away......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo Joe Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Thank God no modell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 If you were to go by career production, the finalist for induction this year, (the regular class) should be in this order, per PFR's career production average: 1. Reggie Wayne 155 2. Zach Thomas 149 3. Alan Faneca 146 4. Isaac Bruce 137 5. Edgerrin James 136 6. Sam Mills 126 7. Tori Holt 123 8. Steve Hutchinson 119 9. Bryant Young 117 10. John Lynch 115 11. Troy Polamalu 115 Of course, those just apply to the guys that are up for finalists this year. They left off Clay Matthews, and he had a 137 CA. As for Vag's whining about Polamalu.....there are even other Steelers that had better carees who are not on this list: Hardy Nickerson had a 129. Hines Ward had a better CA. And Poly, with his paltry 115 production? The following guys have a right to complain: Jim Marshall 164 not in. Ken Anderson 161 not in. He should/could get his Steeler representative in the form of Alan Faneca....not Polly. And don't forget, Donnie Shell got in with the Centennial Class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, Pavo Joe said: Thank God no modell 🙏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unsympathetic Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Modern players -- 5 is the max, I can't support anyone other than these Atwater Boselli Seymour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 They did put in 3 OTs with the Centennial Class......but not Dick Shafrath who was better than all of them likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunz41 Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Bob806 said: I see. Well little folks like the fans will never have a say-so. Admitting I have some anger issues, jealousy issues with Pittsburgh and Denver, if you compare apples-to-apples, it's pretty obvious Reeves had a far better coaching career. There's a definite Steelers bias with the HOF. Lots of great NFL players played in Pittsburgh, but they are over represented as a whole in Canton IMHO. I use Kevin Greene and Lynn Swan as examples. Denver....who's in? Off the top of my head it's Elway, Floyd Little, & Terrell Davis. Where's Randy Gradishar, Rick Upchurch, Steve Atwater, Carl Mecklenburg?They've had similar success as a franchise as Pittsburgh over about the same time frame (1970-present). It's plain wrong. Shannon Sharpe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/11/2020 at 8:42 PM, The Gipper said: I guess we should ask: why isn't Marty on that list? Every other one of the Top Ten winningest coaches are in the HOF or are on that list, except Belichick and Reid, who are still active and not eligible: Rk Coach Yrs Yr-Yr G W L T W-L% G > .500 Yr plyf G plyf W plyf L plyf W-L% AvRk BstRk Chmp SBwl Conf 1 Don Shula+ 33 1963-1995 490 328 156 6 .677 172 19 36 19 17 .528 1.8 1 2 2 6 2 George Halas+ 40 1920-1967 497 318 148 31 .682 170 8 9 6 3 .667 2.7 1 6 0 0 3 Bill Belichick 25 1991-2019 400 273 127 0 .683 146 18 43 31 12 .721 1.6 1 6 6 9 4 Tom Landry+ 29 1960-1988 418 250 162 6 .607 88 18 36 20 16 .556 2.4 1 2 2 5 5 Curly Lambeau+ 33 1921-1953 380 226 132 22 .631 94 5 5 3 2 .600 3.2 1 6 0 0 6 Paul Brown+ 25 1946-1975 326 213 104 9 .672 109 15 17 9 8 .529 2.0 1 7 0 0 7 Andy Reid 21 1999-2019 336 207 128 1 .618 79 14 26 12 14 .462 2.0 1 0 0 1 8 Marty Schottenheimer 21 1984-2006 327 200 126 1 .613 74 13 18 5 13 .278 2.0 1 0 0 0 9 Chuck Noll+ 9 Chuck Noll+ 23 1969-1991 342 193 148 1 .566 45 12 24 16 8 .667 2.1 1 4 4 4 10 Dan Reeves 23 1981-2003 357 190 165 2 .535 25 9 23 1969 For the same reason 1\2 the Steel Curtain got in, and Marty and Clay Matthews aren't- the Steelers won Super Bowls, the Browns didn't. They'd both be in if they had won rings. I still feel Matthews was every bit as good as Jack Ham- who got in a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 9:06 PM, Bob806 said: I tend to agree. He lost several AFC Title games in his own stadium. He got it for the publicity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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