TopDawg31 Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 If we don't take Trubisky #1 overall, we will regret it. We didn't tank this season to draft a DL #1. The common denominator on all final 4 teams is a great QB. I cant name one DL on any of the final 4 teams. Stop with the only one season of play BS, it's not his fault that Marquise was lights out playing QB for UNC until he graduated. If MT played a few more seasons he would have been hands down consensus #1 overall pick. I base this opinion on watching this kid grow up from the time he was 6yrs old. He will become the next best QB in the NFL, not his rookie year but in the future. If it happens on someone else's team, I'll be sick. If we pass on MT watch the stoolers jump up and take him #2 then we will live in football misery for another decade. We did not tank for a DL best QB available has been the plan all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 If we don't take Trubisky #1 overall, we will regret it. We didn't tank this season to draft a DL #1. The common denominator on all final 4 teams is a great QB. I cant name one DL on any of the final 4 teams. Stop with the only one season of play BS, it's not his fault that Marquise was lights out playing QB for UNC until he graduated. If MT played a few more seasons he would have been hands down consensus #1 overall pick. I base this opinion on watching this kid grow up from the time he was 6yrs old. He will become the next best QB in the NFL, not his rookie year but in the future. If it happens on someone else's team, I'll be sick. If we pass on MT watch the stoolers jump up and take him #2 then we will live in football misery for another decade. We did not tank for a DL best QB available has been the plan all along. I suppose it's possible Joe Thomas knows less than football fans... But I'd like to think a Left Tackle protecting the blind side of QB after his 10th consecutive Pro Bowl might know more than some may want to give him credit for. Remember, he's the guy that has had to face many a Pro Bowl edge rusher twice a year from AFC North opponents frequenting playoffs so I'm guessing he understands their value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 We did not tank for a DL best QB available has been the plan all along. The only reason we tanked is because the team sucked.....it was not the plan.... Hence, all the changes that are happening now(which dont happen when you are successful in executing your plan).... No one plans to tank for an "unknown yet to be named player"....which is what you're kind of suggesting happened..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 Beat me to it... but wait... there's more... Not necessarily... Every few....to be exact.... 5 times in the last 15 drafts there have been zero franchise qb's....which is once every 3 drafts.....33%.....once every few.... Facts.... facts... facts... didn't you get the latest memo, Mr. buzzkill? I would not have put the percentage anywhere near that high... If we don't take Trubisky #1 overall, we will regret it. We didn't tank this season to draft a DL #1. The common denominator on all final 4 teams is a great QB. I cant name one DL on any of the final 4 teams. Can you name all four starting QBs? Remember... honor system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 I like Mitch, but i feel like he is a project, and he only started what, 13 games? Take an Elite player like Allen or Garrett. Take Hooker, Foster, or anyone who falls at us at 12.... MY biggest fear is that we take watson at #1 since hue really likes him.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goozer Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 Certainly there's no QB in this draft worth the #1 pick, and maybe #12 is forcing it as well. If they don't go with Myles with the first pick, we'll be hearing all of the fans saying the Browns blew it again. With a dwindling fan base, they cannot afford to screw up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 I've said I'm not averse to Garret @ #1, though I won't love it. Regarding Mitch coming in "undersized" at the combine- where's that coming from? Reference please? All I've heard is vague reference to a Tweet, which is complete BS, unless he was in the NC locker room when he got measured. 6' 1" may be a tad undersized if it's true, but hardly a disqualifier. considering he was 6'3" 195 when he left high school I doubt he shrunk to 6'1" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 considering he was 6'3" 195 when he left high school I doubt he shrunk to 6'1" According to who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 considering he was 6'3" 195 when he left high school I doubt he shrunk to 6'1" And he likely ran a 4.45 40 as well-the usual recruit inflation factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 According to who? My son was his teammate in high school dont be an ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I'm just hoping we can land Webb at some point in this draft he could sneak into the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I'm not in love with what I've seen on film from Garrett; and I'm afraid most of it will get written off to the ankle injury. Just to illustrate how far away from the draft we are, he lasted less than 1 week on my wish list at #1 overall. Not only that, I haven't seen enough of Nate Orchard (IR in 2016) to totally write him off just yet. Hopefully, Gregg Williams will have a better place for him than Horton seemed to envision. As I just wrote to the other visitor (Gips) I had here in Nashville last October, the only question I have about Trubisky is the body of work (not to be confused with the body of the player). Love the build, arm strength and the elusiveness it equips him with behind a suspect protection upfront. If for some reason he is slightly under 6'2" - Warren Moon was only 6' like Brees while Russell Wilson is 5'11". Another guy that made Pro Bowls for 3 different play off teams (Garcia) was only 6' as well. He'll be ite. When Oakland drafted Derek Carr near the top of round 2, they protected the investment by improving their offensive line and later adding WR Amari Cooper in round 1 as well as former 1st round WR Michael Crabtree via free agency. They also drafted Khalil Mack in round 1 to improve their edge rush the same year they took Carr in round 2. We could have drafted both guys in that 2014 draft. We can do something similar to what Oakland did, with our choice being edge rusher #1 and QB at #12 vrs QB #1 and edge rusher at #12. Since the draft seems deeper at edge rusher than QB, it encourages me to keep more of an open mind about Trubisky at #1. Not arguing Tom, I'll be nice. I think it was Tour that posted the draft breakdown on Garrett, and there is reason for concern. Myles is relying on his superior athleticism- it was pointed out if a tackle is fast enough to his hands on him, Garrett had better learn some technique to disengage from a block. Sometimes those physical freaks don't work out. Since my memory is fading- probably due to excessive wine consumption. I had to look it up- Vernon Gholston came to mind. Resorting to Wiki, since 2007 when the Jets drafted Darrell Revis, their first round track record has been as bad as the Browns. I suppose it's possible Joe Thomas knows less than football fans... But I'd like to think a Left Tackle protecting the blind side of QB after his 10th consecutive Pro Bowl might know more than some may want to give him credit for. Remember, he's the guy that has had to face many a Pro Bowl edge rusher twice a year from AFC North opponents frequenting playoffs so I'm guessing he understands their value. I totally respect Joe's opinion- but I sort of disagree. Beat me to it... but wait... there's more... Facts.... facts... facts... didn't you get the latest memo, Mr. buzzkill? I would not have put the percentage anywhere near that high... Can you name all four starting QBs? Remember... honor system... How about every one of them? Cook, Osweiler. Stafford, Wilson. Moore, Rothlisbooger. Manning, Rodgers. Ryan, Brady. Prescott, Smith. Ignoring the injuries, 8\12 drafted in the first or second round. You want long term success? Better draft a QB high. Or if you want to follow the Brady path, keep trading down until you have every pick in the 6th round a couple years running- you're going to hit on one eventually. I'm just hoping we can land Webb at some point in this draft he could sneak into the first round. From the other thread, I know you like the guy- but if you read Cal's post on his weaknesses, have to ask- what are you smoking? How about the Washington path- draft Trubisky #1, and Webb in the 4th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Kizer Watson and Trubisky are all going in the top of the 1st and mid its not impossible he jumps into the 28-32 range its unlikely of course . and depends on the combine and interviews. but he's been mocked in rounds 2-3 most of the year only falling this past couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 considering he was 6'3" 195 when he left high school I doubt he shrunk to 6'1" And I was 6'6", 320 and ran a 4.85 in high school. It's crazy how everyone is bigger in high school than in college, and how they're bigger in college than the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Not arguing Tom, I'll be nice. I think it was Tour that posted the draft breakdown on Garrett, and there is reason for concern. Myles is relying on his superior athleticism- it was pointed out if a tackle is fast enough to his hands on him, Garrett had better learn some technique to disengage from a block. Sometimes those physical freaks don't work out. Since my memory is fading- probably due to excessive wine consumption. I had to look it up- Vernon Gholston came to mind. Resorting to Wiki, since 2007 when the Jets drafted Darrell Revis, their first round track record has been as bad as the Browns. Thanks, I appreciate the kinder, gentler Hoorta. He's a good guy that made some good points above. We're not enemies and never have been. We're just not used to being on different sides of a debate until the last 5 months or so... For what it's worth, it's okay to disagree about a prospect especially in nit-pick season. This won't be exclusive to fans on message boards. Scouts and front offices do this as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 TD, are you stupid? Don't you understand that the Fake Browns have only been playing since 1999. It is just not the right time yet to use #1 #1 for a QB. Yes, we all know that the Browns are in the worst shape of all 32 teams at QB, and yes, we know how important the QB is. But you have to look at reality, With Hue and the rest of the cocksuckers we have, it is not as if the 2018, 2019, 2020, etc. Browns are going to be strangers to the #1 #1 pick. Remember also that the Browns have no interest in winning football games. Didn't you get the message? We are building for the future. We are amassing draft picks so that come 2563 the Browns will have 132 #1 #1 picks and will be able to draft everyone. Of course, they will cut the best players and keep the shit ones. No NFL team needs a QB more than the Browns. No team is in better position to draft a high QB prospect than the Browns. No team is more stupid that the Browns on passing up great future players. We had the #2 and #32 pick over all and look at what we wound up with. SHIT............. PURE SHIT........... I would not be surprised at all to see these jackoffs draft a DL at #1 #1. they really are that fucking stupid. And this year's Tony Grossi Award goes to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 My son was his teammate in high school dont be an ass I'm not. But HS measurements are inflated just as much as college ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Cowherd has the best takes on Andrew Luck. Not given near enough credit. Meanwhile, the media fawns all over Cam Newton. Start at 17:00. He does a hilarious bit at 19:10 about "how Colts radio guys SHOULD call Andrew Luck plays." http://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/media/play/27503347/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 How about every one of them? Cook - R4, Osweiler - R2.25, Stafford - R1.01, Wilson - R 3.11, Moore - UDFA , Rothlisbooger - R1.11, Manning - R.01, Rodgers - R1.24. Ryan - R1.03, Brady - R6, Prescott - R4, Smith - R1.01. Ignoring the injuries, 8\12 drafted in the first or second round. You want long term success? Better draft a QB high. Or if you want to follow the Brady path, keep trading down until you have every pick in the 6th round a couple years running- you're going to hit on one eventually. First... are you in the habit of taking other people's tests for them? Second and once again... your logic is bass-ackwards. Drafting QBs high is not causation; it's effect. Plus don't think I did not see what you did there.... adding the late-firsts and 2nd round picks to pump up your percentage. Who here is arguing about spending our #12 on a QB let alone pick 2.01? To your credit you stuck with the backups forced into starting roles. I free you of that restriction thus letting Tannehill (R1.08) and Carr (R2.04) join the party. You had three, #1 overall picks, that's 3/12 for those keeping score at home, get in the playoffs... none are left... and all took years to develop. Top half of the first or better? Brings the running tally to 5/12 thanks to Tannehill... you're welcome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 First... are you in the habit of taking other people's tests for them? Second and once again... your logic is bass-ackwards. Drafting QBs high is not causation; it's effect. Plus don't think I did not see what you did there.... adding the late-firsts and 2nd round picks to pump up your percentage. Who here is arguing about spending our #12 on a QB let alone pick 2.01? To your credit you stuck with the backups forced into starting roles. I free you of that restriction thus letting Tannehill (R1.08) and Carr (R2.04) join the party. You had three, #1 overall picks, that's 3/12 for those keeping score at home, get in the playoffs... none are left... and all took years to develop. Top half of the first or better? Brings the running tally to 5/12 thanks to Tannehill... you're welcome... Though it could stand to be mentioned Ryan was #3 overall, taken behind a DE and OT...neither of which are on the rosters of the teams that drafted them. Not sure how that fits into your argument because I didn't read it all, but it is an interesting bit nonetheless since that could be foreshadowing the fate of the Chicago Bears in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Phil Sewage was pure shit. He wasn't just a coffee fetcher for Ozzie, I believe he washed his jockstraps. Here is what I know. Nothing is more risky in the draft than spending a high pick for the top prospect. Likewise, there is no bigger payoff in the NFL than landing a franchise Quarterback. More great QBs come out of the first round than any other round. #1 #1 is the place to make a play. If you draft anyother bust, then chances are you will again wind up with #1 #1, and again get a chance to swing for the bleachers. You know, it is no different than being with women. You always wonder why it is the arrogant, cocky fuck (Like me) that winds up with the hottest chicks. It's simple, it is because that's all this type of guy asks out.............the hottest, most well built, boner-inducing bitches in the bar. So, you guys get the plain Jane to go out with you, meanwhile the Ghoolie Guy gets the chick that makes your date shrink into the wall-paper, and you go home to beat your fucking meat. Since 1999 the Browns have not made a single courageous draft pick. Couch was no risk because the Browns were new. But after that? ALL WALL-FLOWERS Is this the year to use #1 #1 on a QB? It all depends if you want to go to the prom with Selena Gomez or fucking Joy Behar. The Browns have traded down for Behar, and every year went to the prom with a date that nobody else wanted. I talk about this all the time. Until the Browns franchise has a culture...........something it believes in and sticks with until seeing the payday, this cycle of shit will continue. Trubisky. Anything else is following YOUR life choices or asking the wallflowers to the prom. I am interested in what chicks you would equate our various QBs over the year to. So, go ahead, what chicks do these QBs remind you of: Couch Dilfer Garcia Delhomme Holcomb Anderson Quinn McCoy Frye Weeden Campbell Manziel McCown Griffin (wait...I know: Whoopi Goldberg) And any others you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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