Tour2ma Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 LMAO... I did not see that coming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 I remember......but Ive now decided that they didnt leak their plan, simply because they didnt have one to leak..... Well....I don't think they had much of a plan for players.......other than to look at which players had the best numbers in college....which these guys did. But did they do much beyond that? As I see it, their plan was always: trade down, get more picks. How about this plan for next year: trade up....get more better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 How about this plan for next year: trade up....get more better players. Preach it !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 I remember......but Ive now decided that they didnt leak their plan, simply because they didnt have one to leak..... If I planned to take some 6-7 rounders in the 3-5 rounds I wouldn't want to tell anyone either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 please god let rg3 start tomorrow. on my first scheduled day out with the boys at the social club who are gints and jets fans. please let there be some common denominator character we can all yell at the the tv about. i mean i know i'm gonna get ragged ob all day but at least with rg3 i can say "see there's your nfc east running qb" as he get's clamped up to a stretcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 please god let rg3 start tomorrow. on my first scheduled day out with the boys at the social club who are gints and jets fans. please let there be some common denominator character we can all yell at the the tv about. i mean i know i'm gonna get ragged ob all day but at least with rg3 i can say "see there's your nfc east running qb" as he get's clamped up to a stretcher. Just take a bottle of this along with you mik. One of best sipping rums the world has ever produced. http://liquorliquidators.com/diplomatico-reserva-exclusiva-12-year-old-rum-750.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiAperBBRDfuMf72sr56fIBEiQAPFXszVWOAcv66_Ksiswp0xvXfJ4e4H-Nq34QuO-QTS4nzIUaAkM_8P8HAQ PS-I intend to have some during the game today to help remind me that there are other things that ease the pain-a great rum and a #1 overall should help equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 At this point I'd rather see RG3 for a game than McCown. At least gives me a reason to pay close attention, instead of McCown's patented 'keep it close until the third quarter then hand them the game' approach. On back to back plays yesterday he 'took a shot downfield', what he's supposed to add that Kessler doesn't. One went to Pryor and was off target, but he got bailed out by Pryor being big and drawing a PI. The second was to Coleman, it was back shoulder when Coleman was free and clear over the top and he got bailed out of the pick by the defender being just out of bounds (yes Coleman has some blame in that too). Both cases were a prime example of him having a 'big arm' but also an 'inaccurate arm'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 If we hold tight on the number 1 pick and take Garrett, AND Mitch starts to slip a little bit...I wouldn't have an issue AT ALL with moving up to take him. Not sure what it would take to get it done, or how far we've have to move up, but if we somehow got Garrett and Mitch in round one...I'd probably shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 If we hold tight on the number 1 pick and take Garrett, AND Mitch starts to slip a little bit...I wouldn't have an issue AT ALL with moving up to take him. Not sure what it would take to get it done, or how far we've have to move up, but if we somehow got Garrett and Mitch in round one...I'd probably shit. If we pick 1st, then we have enough picks to try and move up to second. We could put a playmaker on both sides of the line. It may cost a number of lower picks but I'm all for getting a little star power on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 "a number of lower picks"??? To climb a mid-1st to #2 overall??? Will this be your first draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 The title of this thread should be "Robert Griffin III marked for death" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 The title of this thread should be "Robert Griffin III marked for death" LOL, especially if Greco can't go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 The title of this thread should be "Robert Griffin III marked for death" RIP RG3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 If we hold tight on the number 1 pick and take Garrett, AND Mitch starts to slip a little bit...I wouldn't have an issue AT ALL with moving up to take him. Not sure what it would take to get it done, or how far we've have to move up, but if we somehow got Garrett and Mitch in round one...I'd probably shit. Or, vice versa. Go Packers tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 "a number of lower picks"??? To climb a mid-1st to #2 overall??? Will this be your first draft? Yea, lets say that the Eagles had say even the #10 pick. Per the draft value chart, #2 is worth 2600 pts. #10 is worth 1300 points. You are only half way there. If you gave up #33 that is 580 points. That only puts you at 1880. #45 would be another 450...still at 2330. 270 short. We would have to give up our #65 as well, which is 265 pts. That puts you about there. So....you get #1, and #2....and give up #10/33/47/65. That is a 4 for 1 trade. Do you think these analytics boys would do that? With the Browns overall needs.....I say NYET! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 If we hold tight on the number 1 pick and take Garrett, AND Mitch starts to slip a little bit...I wouldn't have an issue AT ALL with moving up to take him. Not sure what it would take to get it done, or how far we've have to move up, but if we somehow got Garrett and Mitch in round one...I'd probably shit. I wonder if Philly's pick for us ends up at #22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Yea, lets say that the Eagles had say even the #10 pick. Per the draft value chart, #2 is worth 2600 pts. #10 is worth 1300 points. You are only half way there. If you gave up #33 that is 580 points. That only puts you at 1880. #45 would be another 450...still at 2330. 270 short. We would have to give up our #65 as well, which is 265 pts. That puts you about there. So....you get #1, and #2....and give up #10/33/47/65. That is a 4 for 1 trade. Do you think these analytics boys would do that? With the Browns overall needs.....I say NYET! The simpler way to get there Gip is the Eagles pick, a future first round, and our low second. The anal-litics guys would certainly balk. I wonder if Philly's pick for us ends up at #22. Be afraid, very afraid. I would vote for trading out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 The simpler way to get there Gip is the Eagles pick, a future first round, and our low second. The anal-litics guys would certainly balk. Right....I was only speculating on if you kept the trade to involve this year's picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Yea, lets say that the Eagles had say even the #10 pick. Per the draft value chart, #2 is worth 2600 pts. #10 is worth 1300 points. You are only half way there. If you gave up #33 that is 580 points. That only puts you at 1880. #45 would be another 450...still at 2330. 270 short. We would have to give up our #65 as well, which is 265 pts. That puts you about there. So....you get #1, and #2....and give up #10/33/47/65. That is a 4 for 1 trade. Do you think these analytics boys would do that? With the Browns overall needs.....I say NYET! The simpler way to get there Gip is the Eagles pick, a future first round, and our low second. The anal-litics guys would certainly balk. Yes, they would... especially since you two are using the wrong chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 "a number of lower picks"??? To climb a mid-1st to #2 overall??? Will this be your first draft? No wonder flyingFOOL makes fun of me for wanting to tank. Doesn't even remotely understand the value of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 No wonder flyingFOOL makes fun of me for wanting to tank. Doesn't even remotely understand the value of it.To tank means too loose. I'm no fan of intentionally losing. Ever! You wanna be a loser, fine. Not for me. In the immortal words of Al Davis JUST WIN BABY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 I saw Hue cry about losing??????? So Tom Hanks was right. There's no crying in baseball. It must be for football. I can't say it made me proud to see our 0-12 HC shed tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 hey gip: still think the bengals are the best team in our division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 I saw Hue cry about losing??????? So Tom Hanks was right. There's no crying in baseball. It must be for football. I can't say it made me proud to see our 0-12 HC shed tears. You'd cry too when you realized that this FO sold your team down the river before you could even take a first step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 You'd cry too when you realized that this FO sold your team down the river before you could even take a first step. I see Hue as a white Chris Palmer. Nice guy but in over his head. We need a stern coach that will get the youngsters in the right direction, then when you got the ship right...bring in the players coach. I really hope I'm wrong but we are going more backwards than forwards. And after 0-12 start, we gotta keep Hue even though he's sucking bilgewater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Yes, they would... especially since you two are using the wrong chart. What is the right chart. I did just Google NFL Draft value chart. It was a highly published one that has been used here many times. And why are you making such a nudgy statement like that and just leave it. If you are so great and powerful, Oz, then give us the "correct" chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 hey gip: still think the bengals are the best team in our division? I think they actually do have the most talent........when that talent is healthy (which they are not). But then, the Bengals historically always seemed to get less out of their talent than any other team. That is why they are The Bungles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 I think they actually do have the most talent........when that talent is healthy (which they are not). But then, the Bengals historically always seemed to get less out of their talent than any other team. That is why they are The Bungles. I put that on good ole starvin Marvin. He seems to coach wholly to not lose. And about half the time it works. But when he faces a coach that plays to win...Marvin is starvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 What is the right chart. I did just Google NFL Draft value chart. It was a highly published one that has been used here many times. And why are you making such a nudgy statement like that and just leave it. If you are so great and powerful, Oz, then give us the "correct" chart. As published in the Harvard Sports Analysis... How to Value NFL Draft Picks Posted on November 30, 2011 by kevinmeers by Kevin Meers https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/ The old system massively over values the earliest picks and significantly undervalues mid-to-late round picks. The regression line is clearly a better predictor of future value than the old chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 "a number of lower picks"??? To climb a mid-1st to #2 overall??? Will this be your first draft? Well it might be Sachi Browns... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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