CaineDeSoulis Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 so hypothetically we go 0-20 losing all 4 preseason games and all 16 regular season games? Who stays? Who goes? personally i think this is an unlikely but possible scenario. I got us winning 4 down the stretch but that's neither here nor there. I can see us letting go some odds and ends on the coaching staff (horton/hamilton/saunders) maybe a front office figure(berry/sashi/kovash). I highly doubt jackson will go but it's possible after such an occurance and more importantly if there is another high profile coach available. Or hey does no one get fired at all? Maybe we actually hire someone? A true OC prehaps? More Front office personnel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 It's not going to happen so this thread is completely pointless. If it did happen (same as if it didn't happen, which it won't), no one should be fired. Talk to me next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 so hypothetically we go 0-20 losing all 4 preseason games and all 16 regular season games? Who stays? Who goes? personally i think this is an unlikely but possible scenario. I got us winning 4 down the stretch but that's neither here nor there. I can see us letting go some odds and ends on the coaching staff (horton/hamilton/saunders) maybe a front office figure(berry/sashi/kovash). I highly doubt jackson will go but it's possible after such an occurance and more importantly if there is another high profile coach available. Or hey does no one get fired at all? Maybe we actually hire someone? A true OC prehaps? More Front office personnel? I'm not on the 0-16 train anymore. Had the Dolphins beat. Everyone stays, at least through next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 It's not going to happen so this thread is completely pointless. If it did happen (same as if it didn't happen, which it won't), no one should be fired. Talk to me next year. It's not going to happen so this thread is completely pointless. If it did happen (same as if it didn't happen, which it won't), no one should be fired. Talk to me next year. You do know that Horton already gets 2 checks a week from the Browns and he still sucks. Remember a guy name of Parcels? You own your record.. 0-4 in football just sez.... Winner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 No no no. Stop firing people after one year. We'll never get better like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 Jackson has this team playing the best ball we have seen in years, and with this ragtag roster of players. The team is getting better, week after week. I don't think anyone goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 If ya can't see the improvement in the Browns, huge improvement, ya just don't want to. Used to be, they often had no ability to make any big plays, couldn't run the ball. Crow just ran over a hundred yards, had Miami beat, and scared the hell out of the Redskins the first half. READ MORE > TEAM LEADERSKessler, a ROOKIE, completed 70% of his passes, and Crow and Duke averaged 7.5 and 5.9 yds per carry. This is a worthless whining thread. CLEVELAND BROWNS Passing Cmp Att Yds TDs C. Kessler 28 40 223 1 Rushing Car Yds Avg TDs I. Crowell 15 112 7.5 1 D. Johnson 9 53 5.9 0 Receiving Rec Yds Avg TDs G. Barnidge 7 57 8.1 0 T. Pryor 5 46 9.2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 Besides the way the Titans are screwing up their running game offense, I think that there just may be a win there in week 6. Talk about a screwed up coaching job, the Titans take the cake. They are tied with the Bears for least points per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 Nobody, we don't have the talent to win many games and that's just how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 Besides the way the Titans are screwing up their running game offense, I think that there just may be a win there in week 6. Talk about a screwed up coaching job, the Titans take the cake. They are tied with the Bears for least points per game. I believe that Derrick Henry is clearly the problem there and has zero to do with Coach Mularkey's excellent schemes. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 I believe that Derrick Henry is clearly the problem there and has zero to do with Coach Mularkey's excellent schemes. Haha I haven't seen their games.....is Henry a TR redux? (after 4 games....too early to tell) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 I haven't seen their games.....is Henry a TR redux? (after 4 games....too early to tell) They are not using him much at all. Certainly not nearly as many carries as pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 They are not using him much at all. Certainly not nearly as many carries as pre-season. From CBS sports " (10/03) Henry rushed three times for nine yards Sunday in Houston. Henry got a season-low number of carries while DeMarco Murray scored two touchdowns on a season-high 25. The rookie out of Alabama had been spelling Murray for 8-to-10 carries per game prior to this, but the veteran's strong play has made it difficult to justify taking him off the field. Henry's problem is a lack of opportunities more so than a lack of skill." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Yup... Murray's been getting me projected points plus in Fantasy. Henry just isn't seeing 2nd and 3rd string Defenses like he did in preseason. Not sure how the TN staff is supposed to "manage" to arrange that. And there is no "fall" in 2017... not the same as saying there will not be changes... especially among assistant coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I'm not on the 0-16 train anymore. Everyone stays, at least through next year. Yeah...we gotta win one or 2 at least.....maybe more......including preseason, Hue has lost his first 8 games played, which has never happened in Browns history.....and, while I thought this could end up being the worst team we've ever fielded, Im thinking not.....they're due and Hue just has to get that first win in the tank.....SOON!.........Patriots anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 The only way anybody gets fired is if Jimmy goes on a bender. He knows he must stay patient, despite the record. It sucks to be 0-4, but outside of the Philly game, they've had the lead in the 2nd half in every game, they just can't close the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted October 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 continuity for the sake of continuity is as bad or worse than lacking patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Yeah...we gotta win one or 2 at least.....maybe more......including preseason, Hue has lost his first 8 games played, which has never happened in Browns history.....and, while I thought this could end up being the worst team we've ever fielded, Im thinking not.....they're due and Hue just has to get that first win in the tank.....SOON!.........Patriots anyone? Now that's the Mud I know and love! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Nobody on the coaching staff is getting sacked until the FO are entirely happy with the roster (this FO is going nowhere) as only then will they judge the coaches use of the talent they've brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawg2fan Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 No no no. Stop firing people after one year. We'll never get better like that. I couldn't agree more. We need to quit firing our coaches and give them time. We are the only team that had more coaching turnovers and losing records. Let's keep this entire staff for at least 3 years (5 max) and see what happens. I personally believe in a few years, we could be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 We now have tied the worst start for the browns since 1999. Coaching needs to be held as accountable as our players should be. if we go ONE more loss it will be the worst in franchise history. Firing a HC is generally a bad idea but if the shoe fits for WORST OF ALL TIME then its tough luck next man up.the ravens just fired their OC for the second time in 4 years mid season. You guys act like firing a coach is automatic 2-3 years rebuilding and sucking and thats not always the case. I argue that keeping the WRONG coach is as detrimental or MORE SO than firing to often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Again... there's no fall. But that is not to say that there will not be changes among the assistant coaches. There will be better coaching talent caught up in the off-season shuffle, and some of that will see what we are doing and climb on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 We now have tied the worst start for the browns since 1999. Coaching needs to be held as accountable as our players should be. if we go ONE more loss it will be the worst in franchise history. Firing a HC is generally a bad idea but if the shoe fits for WORST OF ALL TIME then its tough luck next man up. the ravens just fired their OC for the second time in 4 years mid season. You guys act like firing a coach is automatic 2-3 years rebuilding and sucking and thats not always the case. I argue that keeping the WRONG coach is as detrimental or MORE SO than firing to often You're a frickin idiot, man. Please stop being a Browns fan. You're hurting us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsnMopar Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Again... there's no fall. But that is not to say that there will not be changes among the assistant coaches. There will be better coaching talent caught up in the off-season shuffle, and some of that will see what we are doing and climb on board. My beliefs also! Well put? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 hint hint just don't tell him to die or you will get a warning nuff said No need to warn war... he's not an idiot. And, yes, I just called you an idiot. In under 200 posts you managed to trigger one of the two or three tripwires here that will get you a warning. I'm not sure you have the temperament to make it to 500, but the jury is still out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Assistant coaches don't play the game. You can't coach lack of talent. This team has the fewest NFL-caliber players of anyone in the league.. firing any level of coach won't make up for terrible drafting in prior years. The only personnel group where we have a decent player -- let alone all-pro -- is OL, where Bitonio and Thomas and arguably Greco would start for (almost) every team in the league. Who else is even average? Crowell/Johnson seem nice, Pryor's a keeper.. DL are all replaceable, OLB haven't flashed yet, ILB are already terrible, DB are overpaid and underperforming. Outside of that, everything is the coach's fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 So are all Asst. Coaches created equal or do we already have the best at every position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 We now have tied the worst start for the browns since 1999. Coaching needs to be held as accountable as our players should be. if we go ONE more loss it will be the worst in franchise history. Firing a HC is generally a bad idea but if the shoe fits for WORST OF ALL TIME then its tough luck next man up. the ravens just fired their OC for the second time in 4 years mid season. You guys act like firing a coach is automatic 2-3 years rebuilding and sucking and thats not always the case. I argue that keeping the WRONG coach is as detrimental or MORE SO than firing to often This time- patience pal. Hue looks like he knows what he's doing. Noll was 1-13 his first year, Landry was 0-11. I suppose they should have been fired too. I could make a case the current Browns roster is as talent depleted as those two teams. Repeat after me. For those who wanted the whole thing blown up- well, this is what a total blowup looks like. Please read Unsympathetic's post. I can only add Haden to the list. There's a couple promising D rookies too. Assistant coaches don't play the game. You can't coach lack of talent. This team has the fewest NFL-caliber players of anyone in the league.. firing any level of coach won't make up for terrible drafting in prior years. The only personnel group where we have a decent player -- let alone all-pro -- is OL, where Bitonio and Thomas and arguably Greco would start for (almost) every team in the league. Who else is even average? Crowell/Johnson seem nice, Pryor's a keeper.. DL are all replaceable, OLB haven't flashed yet, ILB are already terrible, DB are overpaid and underperforming. Outside of that, everything is the coach's fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I can coach exactly as well as our current coaches have and lead the browns to an 0 and 9 start. if we end up going 0-20 which i don't think we will but it's possible we do. SOMEONE will be let go and it COULD be Hue Jackson. That is depending on who is available and more importantly wants to come in with this experimental FO. It wont likely be hue because of the advances on offense and energy we have seen this year good rushing offense and relatively safe offensive play. Playcalling has been a bit erratic and the silly line movements we do are just that but all in all on the O side we've seen some improvement. Defensively we have regressed in nearly every category and it's just not excusable anymore.As far as talent goes good coaching should show the strengths of the talent we do have even if it is lacking overall. Parity in the NFL as a whole is much much closer than you may realize. Also regarding talent the 1999 browns had only players that were considered freely expendable and the rookies we drafted that year... are you suggesting that the 1999 team was better than this current team?I'm much much more inline with Tour here in thinking upgraded positional coaches as well as coordinators would do absolute wonders for this team. Look at what Al Saunders has done with our depleted WR core or maybe what Kirby or Hal Hunter have done in improving our Running game though at the expense of Pass protection it would seem .Maybe a new DC and his new Staff maybe a full time OC AND an full time QB coachand maybe unfairly i am focusing on coaching what about front office? new scouting personnel? True GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Coaching means little. Talent X experience wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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