Mudfly Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Ok. Im stirring things up with my whining and, for that, I apologize......usually I try to get folks looking for the light and have somehow gone to the dark side.....but, I assure you, my ranting is out of love for the Browns and my deep deep frustration with their continuous failure to get it done.....Im one of the 40 year guys and all the bad choices have worn me down.....if i didnt care so much, i would have been gone looooong ago and wouldnt spend hours obsessing about this crap.......it's extra frustrating, because heck, most of us are just fans, but it feels like we see things the FO doesnt,,,,,and they're supposed to be the pros..... Anyhow......I DO see some hope with a few young guys and think there are 2-3 who will be good pick ups(someday)......Ive listed em before, so Ill save that for later....and I do think a couple changes in strategy can improve the shit show we've been watching...... It's been said(by me and others) that a 4-3 would help and THE GOOD NEWS is that the Browns did just that in the early part of this weeks debacle. And, what happened??......we actually did "ok" against the run(for a second)......so.....with the lack of talent and, more specifically, the talent that we have.....here is what I would do for this season.... Defense: Go to a 4-3.... This is how our talent looks and this will be the best way to maximize what we have. It will also improve the run D.....and, wtf, why not start of a few of the kids and just let er rip......my lineup would look like this..... On the DL...I d start Meder AND Shelton in the middle, with Ogbah, Nassib and Armonty as my ends.. My linebackers would be Orchard and Kirksey on the outside, with Thomas filling the middle..... I think this front 7 would be the most effective and let most of these guys work from their natural positions.....it also gets the 4th linebacker(who we do NOT have) off the field and puts a better player on it.... And Meder and Shelton, together, would be a better option against the run..... Offense: Go Old school 2 back Yep.....Id go back to the days of a 2 back set......having Crowell in the FB position and Duke at RB... Why?....cause the OL bites and we could use an extra set of hands to protect the QB. Plus, 2 good backs, in at the same time, adds options to this running game....which we need right now. Without proper pass protection, our QB and WR's(no matter how good) cannot get the time needed to effectively pass the ball. So, choose your OL and start whomever is best.....then add the 2 back set......start Gordon across from either Coleman/Pryor and go! So....on D and O.....It's still 11 vs 11.....BUT, you have your better players, at their natural positions and the new alignments are helping to mask some of our greatest deficiencies.... Finally....because we've restructured our LB and DL needs, there will be a few expendables that we "might" be able to trade for an OLB or OL that can either start or be a solid back up...,,,, Cooper, Kruger, Gilbert, Hughes or ANY WR they want for an OLB.....or C.... It would make things noticeably better.....immediately......guaranteed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Very cool. I agree with the 4-3. In order to run the 3-4 you need the right personnel which has been a problem. No sense getting a stud DLineman or OLB/DE that is drafted from a different style of formation. For instance it would've been silly to draft Bosa or lure Mario Williams in FA. Fullbacks are becoming a rarity now a days from what I see. A 53 man roster you can put situational players when you need power. But however the blocking aspect I totally agree. Might not be a bad idea for the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 As I said in the other thread, Ogbah and Nassib would be far more effective for us in a 4-3. 3-4 is just not a good fit for those guys. They aren't built that way. And I'd love to see Shelton & Meder side by side on the inside of those two. I hope that the Browns see the same thing and go to that 4-3 D for the season with just the occasional 3-4 to mess with the opponents. I like how you think Mud! . One Post-did you catch the Titans game last night? One of the things they did was combine Henry with his old FB Fowler in the backfield to block for him on runs and for the QB on passes while putting Henry into the pass patterns. Very effective both ways. But it takes a really good blocking FB like Fowler to pull it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Unfortunately fans that do 'see' aren't employed by this franchise and don't sit in berea crunching #s. Post is dead on. Every point. Good (not really) to know there are others that can squint out the sun with all it's majesty and hope and see reality however grim it might be. Defensive schemes have sucked since butch left. Draft a playmaker then try and remold into something the player is naught. Draft the qb next year and let the cards lay. If it ain't a winner at least you went out swing for the fences, once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Hang in there everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 I don't disagree with most of your stuff here, Mud, but Cooper shouldn't be in that trade list. and, I wonder how much the Browns are not showing while they haven't made any cuts yet... in all the situations a defense faces... I think flipping from the 4--3 to a 3-4 at times is the way to go. Between the up front three, and the lb's, there's that gap, with a 4-3, there's more open backfield, only three lb's to cover all that space. This puts, imho, more pressure on the safeties to make the right decisions. Learning is one thing, and implementing everything is another, higher level deal. I think we are just going to see the implementation phase and they are going to be making mistakes. Doesn't mean that it won't come together soon. May take even 3-4 games into the regular season to not make glaring miscommunition and assignment errors. The Bucs were a terrible matchup for the Browns, obviously. Their wr talent, etc, covers up for the weaknesses of their offensive line. The Bucs defense is refueled. The addition of Ayers and Spence is a major improvement. The Browns are not ready for prime time, I don't expect that to start happening so soon. When the kinks are worked out, THEN we can see the season long weaknesses that we would have to live with til next year. I believe when the dust clears, the offense will move the ball well..a lot of times... against any defense. The defense will come together, but as much as I hope it will dominate the good nfl teams they will face... not sure how the pass defense ends up over the season. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Between the up front three, and the lb's, there's that gap, with a 4-3, there's more open backfield, only three lb's to cover all that space. Wait....what?!?! You're talking about linebackers covering????......The ONLY linebacker I took out of the equation was Kruger and NOW you're gonna say this hurts our pass coverage???? Cal, cal cal....just smh...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Wait....what?!?! You're talking about linebackers covering????......The ONLY linebacker I took out of the equation was Kruger and NOW you're gonna say this hurts our pass coverage???? Cal, cal cal....just smh...... LOL! Playing Kruger in pass coverage is like playing 10 on 11 football already. May as well put the 11th man in the line instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Wait....what?!?! You're talking about linebackers covering????......The ONLY linebacker I took out of the equation was Kruger and NOW you're gonna say this hurts our pass coverage???? Cal, cal cal....just smh...... Actually, I need to go have breakfast. I wasn't referring to current players on the Browns, I was just goofing around, talking about the different between the 3-4 and 4-3 generally. I'm thinkin coffee, my homemade pancakes with real maple syrup, bacon and roast beef hash on the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 I'm thinkin coffee, my homemade pancakes with real maple syrup, bacon and roast beef hash on the side. And Im gonna finish my coffee and go paint my cabin......maybe drown a few worms too.....enjoy that breakfast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Mud's out of the asylum........ God bless sister Martha. I totally agree on a 4-3. I've hated our 3-4 since the day we switched, as we never seem to have the personnel, and this year is no different. As for the 2-back set, I'm not nearly as high on Duke as some/most fans are, and I think Crow gives us our best running game by a long way. I would like to see Crow get the ball 25 times a game minimum, and stop this shitty 2 headed monster stuff that resembles more Sigmund the Sea Monster than Godzilla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 We have an LB named "Thomas"? Converting Joe? Our "talent" has been at odds with our scheme so long now I've lost track of how many years. For a period of time on the D-side we were swapping with every regime, each of whom came in saying they adapted to the talent, and the swaps came just as the talent was starting to come around to the scheme. Has happened so much I began to wonder if "the other" scheme's fit was just a mirage. Then we were introduced to the "hybrid" scheme... starting to think an old QB adage adapts well here. "If you have two defensive schemes, then you have no scheme." ... or something... Anyway... Yes, we have 4-3 DEs in abundance. DTs? Not sure Danny is one. Behind Meder and Danny is Hughes and ??? Methinks Cooper is needed here. The 4-3 does reduce our LB weakness by one. Secondary? Only pressure can help them... so maybe a slight edge to our running a 4-3. O? Honestly, I go up-tempo spread... probably the approach I hate the most. No TEs can block, so better off with no TEs. QB can't read? Spread it out... read-options including pass ones... quick screens to big WRs. Side thought: A lot more fodder for analytics of the skill positions... kinda leave me wondering how predictive they are of the OL and the entire D... I need a drink... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 We have an LB named "Thomas"? Converting Joe? I need a drink... Oy.....I did it again.....Davis?.... Truth......when I dont know and/or cant remember the names of our Top FA and #1 draft pick.....that says a lot..... NOW.....Im off to the woods to paint.....for real this time....tata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Don't huff the can... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Yes, we have 4-3 DEs in abundance. DTs? Not sure Danny is one. Behind Meder and Danny is Hughes and ??? Methinks Cooper is needed here. The 4-3 does reduce our LB weakness by one. Secondary? Only pressure can help them... so maybe a slight edge to our running a 4-3. I think Horty blitzes will expose that secondary more than anything.....and the 2 fat guys, while not traditional tackles, will do ok and plug the middle.....Id rather they be out of posittion, but together, than the DE - OLB out of position thing... But it just highlights how we have SO MANY non versatile one trick specialist type players, that just leave our hands tied in tems of flexibility and lokks we can put out there....the opposing OC and QB's can EASILY point to each player and know EXACTLY what he's gonna try to do.....easily.... Side thought: A lot more fodder for analytics of the skill positions... kinda leave me wondering how predictive they are of the OL and the entire D... GREAT point......I guess we shall see..... I need a drink... ....or 5.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Don't paint yourself in a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Perhaps in those dreams Derrick Thomas was in a Browns uniform.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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