bbedward Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 If Cruz was a man of his word he'd speak at the convention and unbind his delegates and tell them to vote for Trump, presuming he doesn't want a brokered convention *************** Ha. Republican front-runner Donald Trump said Tuesday he doesn’t plan to honor his pledge (keep his word) to support the party’s nominee for president if it’s not him. Cruz said the same thing And it's over, the fat lady has not only sung but has also eaten 3 more ice cream sundaes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MLD Woody Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 You keep saying Trump would lose a general election. Would Cruz do any better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 You keep saying Trump would lose a general election. Would Cruz do any better? Cruz Is a Safer General-Election Bet than Trump Unless your name is George W. Bush, it’s tough to win 270 electoral votes without winning the popular vote. And Cruz is hanging in there against the Democratic front-runner. The RealClearPolitics average puts Clinton at 46.4 percent and Cruz at 43.9 percent; the most recent McClatchy-Marist survey has it a tie. Meanwhile, Donald Trump, the current Republican front-runner, hasn’t led Clinton in any national poll since mid February, and trails her by 10.6 points in the RCP average. In state after state, Cruz runs better than Trump against the likely Democratic nominee. Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433966/ted-cruz-stronger-donald-trump-against-hillary-clinton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Cruz is not a viable GE candidate, sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Cruz is not a viable GE candidate, sorry I wouldn't say Trump is either. Too divisive, I would imagine. People are stupid and will end up voting for the 'safe' choice in Hillary. Better the devil you know, and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 I wouldn't say Trump is either. Too divisive, I would imagine. People are stupid and will end up voting for the 'safe' choice in Hillary. Better the devil you know, and all that. Nah Trump will switch to GE mode and when people actually start paying attention they'll learn he has a lot more moderate positions than they realize (positions the general populace agrees with) I think the main problem with Hillary will be turnout, she doesn't have people enamored and enthused like Obama did. Trump on the other hand has quite a lot of die hard supporters and will likely gain a lot more as he goes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Electoral Map Is a Reality Check to Donald Trump’s Bid In recent head-to-head polls with one Democrat whom Mr. Trump may face in the fall, Hillary Clinton, he trails in every key state, including Florida and Ohio, despite her soaring unpopularity ratings with swing voters. In Democratic-leaning states across the Rust Belt, which Mr. Trump has vowed to return to the Republican column for the first time in nearly 30 years, his deficit is even worse: Mrs. Clinton leads him by double digits in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Mr. Trump is so negatively viewed, polls suggest, that he could turn otherwise safe Republican states, usually political afterthoughts because of their strong conservative tilt, into tight contests. In Utah, his deep unpopularity with Mormon voters suggests that a state that has gone Republican every election for a half-century could wind up in play. Republicans there pointed to a much-discussed Deseret News poll last month, showing Mrs. Clinton with a narrow lead over Mr. Trump, to argue that the state would be difficult for him. Mr. Trump has become unacceptable, perhaps irreversibly so, to broad swaths of Americans, including large majorities of women, nonwhites, Hispanics, voters under 30 and those with college degrees — the voters who powered President Obama’s two victories and represent the country’s demographic future. All view him unfavorably by a 2-to-1 margin, according to a recent New York Times/CBS News poll. In some states, Mr. Trump has surprised establishment-aligned Republicans with his breadth of support beyond the less-educated men who form his base. Even so, his support in the nominating process, in which some 30 million people may ultimately vote, would be swamped in a general election, when turnout is likely to be four times that. “We’re talking about somebody who has the passionate devotion of a minority and alternately scares, appalls, angers — or all of the above — a majority of the country,” said Henry Olsen, a conservative analyst. “This isn’t anything but a historic election defeat just waiting to happen.” What could ensure a humiliating loss for Mr. Trump in November are his troubles with constituencies that have favored Republicans in recent elections. Among independents, a group that Mitt Romney carried even as he lost to President Obama in 2012, Mr. Trump would begin the fall campaign at a considerable disadvantage: 19 percent have a favorable opinion of him, but 57 percent view him unfavorably, the Times/CBS survey found. Given his loathed standing among Democrats and the possibility that many in his own party would spurn him, Mr. Trump would need to invert his numbers among independents to even be competitive in November. With white women, a bloc Mr. Romney easily won even in defeat, Mr. Trump is nearly as unpopular: 23 percent view him favorably, while 54 percent have an unfavorable opinion of him. And that was before Mr. Trump attacked Senator Ted Cruz’s wife, ridiculed a female reporter against whom Mr. Trump’s campaign manager was charged with committing battery, and suggested that women who have abortions should face criminal punishment before reversing himself. Mr. Trump’s penchant to offend and his household-name celebrity are a potentially lethal combination, as most voters have both firm and deeply negative opinions of him. His incendiary comments about minorities and the disabled, and proposals to bar Muslims from entering the United States or to force Mexico to pay for a wall on the southern border, have resounded so widely that half of all voters said they would be scared if he were elected president, according to the Times/CBS poll. “There is no precedent for this,” said Neil Newhouse, a veteran Republican pollster. “In the modern polling era, since around World War II, there hasn’t been a more unpopular potential presidential nominee than Donald Trump.” http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/us/politics/donald-trump-general-election.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 I don't buy all the stuff the MSM and SJWs are spewing about Trump being so widely disliked, given the fact that he's breaking turnout records of the base and gathering bigger crowds than any presidential candidate in history. He got 69% of the woman vote in NY or something like that. He's gotten the most independent and democrat crossover voters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 I think many Sanders voters would rather not vote at all or vote for Trump rather then vote for the pig Hillary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 "F--k him" – the words a senior Clinton aide said they’d use if Senator Bernie Sanders didn't "tone it down" in talking about the issues This is 100 percent true, with our apologies for the salty language used by the Clinton campaign. Politico reported last night that a "senior Clinton aide" wants Bernie to "tone it down" in talking about the issues of our campaign. If he doesn't? Then "f--k him." It's outrageous. From day one this campaign has been about the very important, very serious issues affecting our country. We’re not going to stop talking about our corrupt campaign finance system, the danger facing our climate and our planet, and the influence of Wall Street. Bernie is not going to stop talking about how his vision for America differs quite significantly from that of Secretary Clinton. The Clinton campaign is ready to say "f--k him." Let's send our own message back to them – in a language they're certain to understand. Contribute $2.70 to say we're with Bernie, we support Bernie's issues, and we need to bring Bernie's message to every state in America. As Bernie told you last night and this morning, we still have a path to winning the Democratic nomination. Our opponents and the billionaire class know this, and they don't want to hear it. So let's send a message, loud and clear. In solidarity, Jeff Weaver Campaign Manager Bernie 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 I would laugh my nuts off if Bernie went third party. He is funded by individuals. So he could do that and Hillary would likely have him killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Lol if Clinton wants Sanders to tone it down then she'll really be in for a shock against Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Trump was a major beneficiary of the GOP rules in this state. Come again? If anyone has benefited from GOP rulemaking, it was Cruz with the whole Colorado debacle. Trump wasn't handed delegates in New York, the republican voting citizens of that state voted overwhelmingly for him; 60% of the vote compared to 14% for Cruz. It wasn't even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Come again? If anyone has benefited from GOP rulemaking, it was Cruz with the whole Colorado debacle. Trump wasn't handed delegates in New York, the republican voting citizens of that state voted overwhelmingly for him; 60% of the vote compared to 14% for Cruz. It wasn't even close. The rules favor Trump when people actually get to vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Come again? If anyone has benefited from GOP rulemaking, it was Cruz with the whole Colorado debacle. Trump wasn't handed delegates in New York, the republican voting citizens of that state voted overwhelmingly for him; 60% of the vote compared to 14% for Cruz. It wasn't even close. Trump got 60 percent of the vote and he gets over 90 percent of the delegates. Trump never complains when the process favors him he just cries when it doesn't. Trump has 38 percent of the votes thus far and he has 46 percent of the delegates. Is it "fair" that Trump should receive all fifty delegates in South Carolina with only 32.5% of the vote, while Marco Rubio receives less than half of Minnesota's delegates though winning with 36.5% of the vote, and while Ted Cruz receives only 60% of the delegates in Kansas despite earning 48.2% of the vote? Is it "fair" that Trump gets 100% of the delegates for 45.7% of the vote (1,077,221 votes) in Florida, while Cruz gets only 67% of the delegates for 43.8% of the vote (1,239,370 votes) in Texas, or 52% of the delegates for 45.9% of the vote in Maine? Shouldn't other candidates be whining about the unfairness of these Trump-friendly results? No -- because they knew the rules, just as Trump knew the rules in Colorado. Trump has benefitted from open primaries in which Democrats are, for reasons unfathomable to mere mortals, allowed to participate in a GOP nominating process. (When a private business is electing its new CEO, does it invite the boards of directors of other companies to participate in the voting?) The most obvious case was perhaps Missouri, where Trump and Cruz finished in a virtual dead heat, 40.8% to 40.6%, and yet Trump's 0.2% advantage earned him twelve extra delegates for the statewide win. Without Democrats, the popular vote would likely have gone to Cruz, resulting in a twenty-four delegate swing in Cruz's favor. (It's impossible to verify party affiliations from exit polls, but the Missouri exit poll estimates 5% of voters as Democrats, and shows Trump winning self-described "moderates" by almost two to one over Cruz.) Whatever reasons state GOP leaders may have had for initiating the practice of open primaries, that practice has certainly favored the only literal "RINO" candidate in the field this year, a New York values progressive and long-time Democrat who has relabeled himself a conservative Republican without actually adopting conservative republicanism in principle or policy. Shouldn't other candidates be whining about the unfairness of Trump's open primary advantage? No -- because they knew the rules, just as Trump knew the rules in Colorado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 NY was not an open primary. And isn't it ideal to win crossover voters because like, they all vote in the GE? Republican registration is at an all time high solely because of Trump And nobody voted in Colorado, not the same as voting Trump has also won across the map in red, blue, and purple States. It's not like he's winning because Democrats are voting for him in droves And winner take all states were designed to prevent people like Trump and Paul, not help them Regardless Trump has won 22 States to Cruz's 9 or whatever discounting ones that haven't voted - the guy who is up 2 million votes shouldn't win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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One Post Posted April 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Trump is killing the other candidates so let him run in the Republican ticket. Who knows maybe Cruz can be VP.????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Trump is killing the other candidates so let him run in the Republican ticket. Who knows maybe Cruz can be VP.????? Never Trump is winning by millions of votes, why anybody thinks that Cruz should get the nomination is baffling. Trump will get hundreds of thousands more Democrats and independents than Cruz, Republicans will vote for either one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Politics Apr 20 2016, 9:15 pm ET Trump's Unpopularity Could Put GOP House Control In Danger The path for Democrats to win control of the House of Representatives is steep and complicated, but plausible, particularly if Donald Trump emerges as the GOP presidential nominee. But the House has long been assumed safe for the GOP, until polling showed the depths of Trump's current unpopularity with the general election electorate. He is by some measures the most unpopular presidential candidate in modern times. Trump is more of a wild card, with the potential to turn off conservative-leaning women and independents and generate a huge turnout of blacks and Latinos to vote against him. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll this week showed Hillary Clinton and Cruz effectively tied in a head-to-head match-up (Clinton was 46 percent, Cruz at 44 percent). In that same survey, Clinton led Trump 50 to 39 percent in a hypothetical contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 A losing presidential candidate will cost his party seats. No matter who it is. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 A losing presidential candidate will cost his party seats. No matter who it is. WSS Yep and the bigger the loss the more seats that will be lost. A landslide defeat could sweep out a lot of senators and congressmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 For what it's worth: maybe nothing, maybe something Trump has over 7 million likes on facebook. His nearest competitor, bread lines bernie has about 4 million. Hillary has three and a half million. Cruz has 2.1 million. In what world does that equate to cruz being more popular than trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 John kasich has a scant 200,000 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 For what it's worth: maybe nothing, maybe something Trump has over 7 million likes on facebook. His nearest competitor, bread lines bernie has almost 4 million. Hillary has three and a half million. Cruz has 2.1 million. In what world does that equate to cruz being more popular than trump? The religious right still has some power. Unfortunately they don't have a more charismatic spokesperson. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 For what it's worth: maybe nothing, maybe something Trump has over 7 million likes on facebook. His nearest competitor, bread lines bernie has about 4 million. Hillary has three and a half million. Cruz has 2.1 million. In what world does that equate to cruz being more popular than trump? I may not like Obama but I would never say he is not charismatic. I would say the same with Trump. I think Trump even looks down on his minions when he says he could shoot someone in the street and they would still support him. Trump draws big crowds but sometimes that can be deceiving. I saw Sanders drawing the huge crowds in New York and Hillary Clinton clobbered him. Cruz is not more popular than Trump in the republican primary and for that matter either is Kasich but both of them especially Kasich polls show would have a better chance in the general elections than Trump who has the highest negatives among all voters (excepting his loyal following). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I bet they didn't poll 7 million people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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