Clevfan4life Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 This board would play an awesome game of family feud. Name the top 10 reasons guns were invented. The answers from one side of the dais would be without precedent and utterly hysterical. I'm gonna go with "sing you a bedtime story" steve.....got a good feeling on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Here's a question for you guys to guess at, since I have no idea what the answer was. Who created the first knife and was it created for self defense, hunting, a tool for construction or building, cutting your steak or cold blooded murder? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Still want it was not invented for is shooting innocent people. It just wasn't. No matter what you might wish for. IT WAS FOR SHOOTING SOMETHING PERIOD YOU NUMBSKULL!!! And historically speaking "innocent" is a relative term isn't it? Here's your omnipotent ironclad answer to Woody's question......guns were invented to end somethings existence. Period, end of discussion. There's no other reason for it. It was meant to kill "SOMETHING" that was previously alive. It wasnt' invented to shoot rocks or trees, it was meant to kill something. Cars were not invented with the prime directive to invent an incredibly convoluted and unnecessary new way to kill people. They were invented for transportation. All other arguments aside, the difference between the inception of a car and a firearm is quite profoundly clear to anyone with a mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 we can have discussions about how people have or have not used guns responsibly through the ages, but let's not fog up the whole reason firearms exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 we can have discussions about how people have or have not used guns responsibly through the ages, but let's not fog up the whole reason firearms exist. Only you and your butt buddy are doing that. Shooting something? Something? So the inventors were actually clue free of what they might shoot? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Here's a question for you guys to guess at, since I have no idea what the answer was. Who created the first knife and was it created for self defense, hunting, a tool for construction or building, cutting your steak or cold blooded murder? WSS I would guess that would depend on what you would considered a knife. I am sure stone tools in cave man and early human early would have functioned as a knife chopping tough meat, skinning, creating protection(creating clothes\building\self defense), and if some was so inclined murder(through raids of other tribes) but not sure if you would define them as actually knives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Yea while I don't have a problem with gun ownership, there's really no denying that guns were created to kill, they've gotten bigger and better to be more effective at doing that job. I mean, I own a car so I can get around and get to work, etc. I own a gun for self defense in the case of a home invasion, etc (obviously when you use a gun the intent is to incapacitate whoever is on the other end of the barrel). Though sometimes I like the shooting range, shooting for fun, etc. But there's certainly no question that the main purpose of guns is to stop whatever is on the other end of the barrel - the main purpose of a car is to get from point A to point B. It's an inaccurate comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 I would guess that would depend on what you would considered a knife. I am sure stone tools in cave man and early human early would have functioned as a knife chopping tough meat, skinning, creating protection(creating clothes\building\self defense), and if some was so inclined murder(through raids of other tribes) but not sure if you would define them as actually knives. Well I'm not sure you would classify a length of bamboo flammable powder and a stone a gun but... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Well I'm not sure you would classify a length of bamboo flammable powder and a stone a gun but... WSS You can call them a "Hand Canon" if you want, basically the predecessor of guns\canons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Only you and your butt buddy are doing that. Shooting something? Something? So the inventors were actually clue free of what they might shoot? WSS 1) no we're not 2) you're the one making attempts to dilute the fact that guns were invented to kill people. I'm the one making exceptions to that fact, there are secondary uses for a firearm....but you're still killing things with it. There's simply no other reason for them to be around. Which means they should be harder to obtain than a drivers liscense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Here's a question for you guys to guess at, since I have no idea what the answer was. Who created the first knife and was it created for self defense, hunting, a tool for construction or building, cutting your steak or cold blooded murder? WSS I'd say they were invented by Australians. For the purpose of self defense. But that's just a theory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 No we're not? Not what? And you're an idiot I am completely correct. Why would anyone invent something that just kill people at random? Unless they were enemies? Here's another. A piano was invented to make music. You can pound on a piano keys and make noise all day long but that's not why it was invented. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Yea while I don't have a problem with gun ownership, there's really no denying that guns were created to kill, they've gotten bigger and better to be more effective at doing that job. I mean, I own a car so I can get around and get to work, etc. I own a gun for self defense in the case of a home invasion, etc (obviously when you use a gun the intent is to incapacitate whoever is on the other end of the barrel). Though sometimes I like the shooting range, shooting for fun, etc. But there's certainly no question that the main purpose of guns is to stop whatever is on the other end of the barrel - the main purpose of a car is to get from point A to point B. It's an inaccurate comparison. Praise Jesus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 No we're not? Not what? And you're an idiot I am completely correct. Why would anyone invent something that just kill people at random? Unless they were enemies? Here's another. A piano was invented to make music. You can pound on a piano keys and make noise all day long but that's not why it was invented. WSS I am not 100% sure what you 2 are even arguing about at this point but, Guns where made for warfare, to kill your opponent before they killed you, early guns were to heavy\inaccurate to be used for things like hunting until muskets(about the early colonial period) and later made a lot more accurate by rifling(civil war era). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 No we're not? Not what? And you're an idiot I am completely correct. Why would anyone invent something that just kill people at random? Unless they were enemies? can I strawman? Guns were invented to end somethings life. Be it for food, or defense, or cold blooded murderin....whatever. Woody's point this whole time is that a gun was invented to kill something. Basic function. How it was used, be it in war or whatever...is secondary. It's PRIME FUNCTION is to kill something more efficiently and at greater and greater ranges as time goes on. That's it, lock it up we're done with 'this" discusiion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 This thread makes my head hurt. The stupidity is reaching through the computer screen and leeching energy from my brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 This thread makes my head hurt. The stupidity is reaching through the computer screen and leeching energy from my brain. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 You guys are deflecting. They are correct. It's main purpose is to kill. So what? Killing is a part of life. If youve never trapped a mouse or swatted a fly I suppose your indignation is warranted. If however you want to eat food a gun beats the shit out of a sharp stick for hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 If someone is breaking into your house a gun beats the fuck out of discussion and reasoning. If you want to kill someone a gun also beats the shit out of a sharp stick but I'll bet you find a way if you don't have a gun. Ingenuity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 The point was to distinguish between a car and a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 You guys are deflecting. They are correct. It's main purpose is to kill. So what? Killing is a part of life. If youve never trapped a mouse or swatted a fly I suppose your indignation is warranted. If however you want to eat food a gun beats the shit out of a sharp stick for hunting. nobody was arguing your point. What the argument was is that you cannot equate a firearm with some other object, ie a car, which was not designed to kill something. I mean if cars were meant to kill people, do you know how much more rad their designs would be? I mean seriously not joking around, the world would like a mad max movie and cars would like giant motorized swiss army knives. <----yes please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 But do you distinguish any particular murder as being more heinous than another? Is traycon martin's murder more heinous than the Otero family's because he was shot rather than hung or ritualistically strangled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 You need annual inspections (in some states/counties), insurance, and a license that you renew every XX years to drive a car legally though, to own a gun you just need to have no felonies on your record. The point being made in this thread was along the lines of "END CAR VIOLENCE" as a satirical response to "END GUN VIOLENCE" The response was distinguishing between a car and a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 ^ thank you again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 You need annual inspections (in some states/counties), insurance, and a license that you renew every XX years to drive a car legally though, to own a gun you just need to have no felonies on your record. The point being made in this thread was along the lines of "END CAR VIOLENCE" as a satirical response to "END GUN VIOLENCE" The response was distinguishing between a car and a gun. Yes because this country was founded on one being an inalienable right and the other not being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 The point is that anything can be used to murder. You can't legislate murder away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 But do you distinguish any particular murder as being more heinous than another? Is traycon martin's murder more heinous than the Otero family's because he was shot rather than hung or ritualistically strangled? Of course there's a difference, and there's the crux of the argument...in the end it IS what the human hand does with the weapon. People kill people, guns do not kill people by themselves. That being said, allowing people unfettered access to guns that are far beyond ball loaded muskets at this point, is ridiculous. The founding fathers would absolutely rethink the 2nd amendment if they saw todays firearms. No question. They would stare incredulously at us at how flippantly we let some of this technology disperse through the unwashed masses. They would think us utterly insane and wonder where they went wrong. In the end I think they'd uphold the 2nd amendment but with serious changes to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 The standard argument which is without merit is they it would be "harder" to murder without a gun. Not really. It's not difficult at all to run over a bunch of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Pretending everything today is exactly like it was 250 years ago is a whole other topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 The Second Amendment whether we like it or not has already been changed completely from any notion the founding fathers had. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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