Mudfly Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 Just wanted to see what this looked like......took last years final 54 man roster, less the guys who are gone....plus the FA's and primary picks..... DEFENSE: DE 1: Starks... D. Bryant... A. Bryant NT : Shelton..Taylor... Kitchen DE 2: Hughes... Cooper... Winn MLB: Dansby... Pullard... Carder WLB: Robertson.. Kirksey OLB: Kruger.... Solomon OLB: Mingo... Orchard RCB: Haden... K. Williams...Nelson LCB: T. Williams...Gilbert....Gaines.... SS : Whitner.....Campbell.....Bademosi FS : Gipson....Desir.....Poyer OFFENSE: WR 1: Bowe...Hartline...Benjamin....Smith LT : Thomas....Seymour LG: Bitonio.....Painter C : Mack.....McDonald RG: Greco,,,,Erving LT : Schwartz....Bowie TE : Barnidge....Dray.....Housler....Telfer WR: Hawkins...Gabriel...Mayle....Moore RB: Crowell...Johnson....West....Winston...Draugn QB: McCown....Manziel....Lewis...Shaw... So....assumng a 54 man roster.....and 2 of them will be kickers...plus a snapper...leaves us a max of 51 positions.....and there are 61 names above....plus lots that Ive left out......good way to see the quality filling in nicely.....yep...gonna see some familiar names disappear..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 Interesting you see Desir as a safety, is that where most see him long term now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 Why do I think it's possible for Bitoni to move to starting RT and Erving to move to his spot at RG? Just a thought but one that this staff is likely to explore when they have a history of competition to find their best starting players regardless of years in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted May 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 Interesting you see Desir as a safety, is that where most see him long term now? Just kind of projecting....Browns used him there some and it seems a good fit...plus, you want your best guys playing and I think he's gonna really step up.... Why do I think it's possible for Bitoni to move to starting RT and Erving to move to his spot at RG? Probably gonna find a way to get our best 5 on the field, so anythings possible.....though Pettine just said that the left was completely set and Cam had to find his job on the right.....Bowie & Schwartz sound like a strong pair at RT....so, Im thinking a battle at RG is his best bet... One other thing Id point out is that Bitonio is GREAT at OG....but would be closer to average at OT.....Id leave that alone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondwave Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 Few thoughts: 1. I think we're going all-in with Manziel this year. I'd be surprised if he's not our Day 1 starter. 2. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu is gonna make the 53-man roster. I guaran-fucking-tee it. Dude is a steal. He could be the starter by next year. We may very have the most talented cornerback depth in the league. We got 4-5 guys with starting CB potential. 3. Same goes for our offensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondwave Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 Just kind of projecting....Browns used him there some and it seems a good fit...plus, you want your best guys playing and I think he's gonna really step up.... Probably gonna find a way to get our best 5 on the field, so anythings possible.....though Pettine just said that the left was completely set and Cam had to find his job on the right.....Bowie & Schwartz sound like a strong pair at RT....so, Im thinking a battle at RG is his best bet... One other thing Id point out is that Bitonio is GREAT at OG....but would be closer to average at OT.....Id leave that alone.... Yeah, I think Bitonio is a little small to play the outside, and is more of a mauler in the run game. I actually think Cam beats out Greco for the RG position. And while I don't mind Schwartz, gut feeling that Bowie wins the starting position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 Man I see our Defense outscoring our Offense in Training Camp All day.. Can only hope that makes our Offense Better working against that D everyday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 Just wanted to see what this looked like......took last years final 54 man roster, less the guys who are gone....plus the FA's and primary picks..... DEFENSE: DE 1: Starks... D. Bryant... A. Bryant NT : Shelton..Taylor... Kitchen DE 2: Hughes... Cooper... Winn MLB: Dansby... Pullard... Carder WLB: Robertson.. Kirksey OLB: Kruger.... Solomon OLB: Mingo... Orchard RCB: Haden... K. Williams...Nelson LCB: T. Williams...Gilbert....Gaines.... SS : Whitner.....Campbell.....Bademosi FS : Gipson....Desir.....Poyer You should relabel the dline, also you have a few people jumbled up. At the 5 tech you're going to have Starks, Cooper as their primary spots. At the 3 you're going to have Desmond, Hughes as their primary spots. Winn will flip between the 3 and the 5 as rotational backup. At Nose you're Shelton, Phil and Kitchen. Monty has moved to a 2point 9 tech. 8 players between 3 positions. A few other things of note. - It wouldn't surprise me if Mingo isn't fully healthy and Orchard beats him out. - I like the idea of Desir bringing the depth behind Gipson - I know we won't be carrying 5 RB's into the season nor will we carry 4 QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted May 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 You should relabel the dline, also you have a few people jumbled up. Yeah...just trying to list the names, not at all hung up on where they'll be slotted come game time(expecting a lot of movement) Monty has moved to a 2point 9 tech. I hear they're thinking of moving him around, but for now he's gotta be listed somewhere....so DL is as good as any spot... - It wouldn't surprise me if Mingo isn't fully healthy and Orchard beats him out. Its possible....but would surprise me from day one, I guess.....Mingo plays a lot of coverage and Im seeing Orchard as more of a pass rush specialist...and really dont see any other OLB's to handle that coverage duty....except mingo.....(certainly not Kruger) And Im nowhere close to predicting starters yet, but if I had to guess now, Shelton and the Duke are the only ones I see starting immediately....the rest got their work cut out for them to make the squad, let alone start...but we can hope for a few to break out right away.... - I know we won't be carrying 5 RB's into the season nor will we carry 4 QB's. Right....thats the whole point of my post....the list isnt a final roster.....its a roster with 10 too many names already(and a bunch left off)....so there are more listed at EVERY position, than what we will carry, not just QB and RB... Here's the break out for last year.............2 QB...6 WR...4 RB...6 OL...3 TE...6 DL...4 OLB...4 MLB....5 S...6 CB .... 3 ST......which = 54....... So...lots of cuts from the above list coming up...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted May 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 2. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu is gonna make the 53-man roster. I guaran-fucking-tee it. Dude is a steal. He could be the starter by next year. We may very have the most talented cornerback depth in the league. We got 4-5 guys with starting CB potential. I agree the talent is wicked deep....... Which is why Id expect Olomu to be redshirted(so to speak) and end up as a PUP list player for this season..... Maybe he'll have some kind of a miraculous recovery, but it's only been a few months and his knee was seriously tore up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Here is my post-draft, pre-UDFAs, pre-rookie camp, pre-90 man TC roster, pre-pre-season way too soon to be accurate 53-man roster... Bold - denotes starter Italics - denotes rookie QB - McCown / Manziel / Shaw RB - Crowell / West / D.Johnson FB - M.Johnson WR - Bowe / Hawkins / Hartline / Gabriel / Mayle TE - Dray / Housler / Barnidge / Telfer OT - Thomas / Schwartz / Bowie OG - Bitonio / Greco / Erving C - Mack / Seymour DE - Hughes / D.Bryant / Starks / Winn / Cooper DT - Taylor / Shelton OLB - Kruger / Mingo / A.Bryant / Orchard / Solomon ILB - Dansby / Robertson / Kirksey / Pullard CB - Haden / T.Williams / K.Williams / Gilbert / Nelson / Gaines S - Whitner / Gipson / Desir / Campbell STs - Yount / Lanning / Hartley IR - Ekpre-Olomu Notice... I have 11 of 12 draft picks on this roster (and 1 going to IR for the year) as I gave them priority over other players, mostly b/c I have no idea if any of them will or will not be any good. Also, I gave starter priority to the veterans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColumbusKing Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 I only see immeadite issues as OLB and QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 They need to increase roster size. I hate losing good players because of roster cap, especially when you sustain injuries and what-not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 They need to increase roster size. I hate losing good players because of roster cap, especially when you sustain injuries and what-not. This might be the first year in a while when we're actually going to have to cut good players. That's a good sign for our team development. Should be great competetion and may the best players get the job... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Here is my post-draft, pre-UDFAs, pre-rookie camp, pre-90 man TC roster, pre-pre-season way too soon to be accurate 53-man roster... Bold - denotes starter Italics - denotes rookie QB - McCown / Manziel / Shaw RB - Crowell / West / D.Johnson FB - M.Johnson WR - Bowe / Hawkins / Hartline / Gabriel / Mayle TE - Dray / Housler / Teifer OT - Thomas / Schwartz / Bowie OG - Bitonio / Greco / Erving C - Mack / Seymour DE - Hughes / D.Bryant / Starks / Winn / Cooper DT - Taylor / Shelton OLB - Kruger / Mingo / A.Bryant / Orchard / Solomon ILB - Dansby / Robertson / Kirksey / Pullard CB - Haden / T.Williams / K.Williams / Gilbert / Desir / Nelson / Campbell S - Whitner / Gipson / Bademosi / Gaines STs - Yount / Lanning / Hartley IR - Ekpre-Olomu Notice... I have 11 of 12 draft picks on this roster (and 1 going to IR for the year) as I gave them priority over other players, mostly b/c I have no idea if any of them will or will not be any good. Also, I gave starter priority to the veterans... Dude ... what did you do to Gary Barnrdge? He is 29 and ready to have a breakout year. He blocks, He catches. He has the name of a friendly local State farm agent. He dates hot wrestling chicks. C'mon, man! Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Desir and Campbell are S. Gaines is CB, and he will be ahead of Nelson but behind Gilbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Here is my post-draft, pre-UDFAs, pre-rookie camp, pre-90 man TC roster, pre-pre-season way too soon to be accurate 53-man roster... Bold - denotes starter Italics - denotes rookie QB - McCown / Manziel / Shaw RB - Crowell / West / D.Johnson FB - M.Johnson WR - Bowe / Hawkins / Hartline / Gabriel / Mayle TE - Dray / Housler / Teifer OT - Thomas / Schwartz / Bowie OG - Bitonio / Greco / Erving C - Mack / Seymour DE - Hughes / D.Bryant / Starks / Winn / Cooper DT - Taylor / Shelton OLB - Kruger / Mingo / A.Bryant / Orchard / Solomon ILB - Dansby / Robertson / Kirksey / Pullard CB - Haden / T.Williams / K.Williams / Gilbert / Desir / Nelson / Campbell S - Whitner / Gipson / Bademosi / Gaines STs - Yount / Lanning / Hartley IR - Ekpre-Olomu Notice... I have 11 of 12 draft picks on this roster (and 1 going to IR for the year) as I gave them priority over other players, mostly b/c I have no idea if any of them will or will not be any good. Also, I gave starter priority to the veterans... You want to get rid of Benjamin? Who is going to return punts and kicks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmusch Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Duke is a capable return man. That's one of his best attributes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 You want to get rid of Benjamin? Who is going to return punts and kicks? Off the top of my head, Gilbert, Gabriel, Duke (as above), and Draughn are capable of doing so. I'm sure there are more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Off the top of my head, Gilbert, Gabriel, Duke (as above), and Draughn are capable of doing so. I'm sure there are more. Gilbert wasn't used. Gabriel and Draughn helped us have like the 31st rated return game in the league. When Benjamin's head was on right, he scored TDs and long returns. Duke is still an unknown obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Actually, Moore(25), Gabriel(24) and Draughn(23) all had better return averages than Benji(20).... WITH Benji we ranked 28th.....but WITHOUT him we would have ranked 10th......so, it was Benji who dragged our averages down, not Draughn or Gabriel... He'll never be a top performer....time for someone to beat him out..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Actually, Moore(25), Gabriel(24) and Draughn(23) all had better return averages than Benji(20).... WITH Benji we ranked 28th.....but WITHOUT him we would have ranked 10th......so, it was Benji who dragged our averages down, not Draughn or Gabriel... He'll never be a top performer....time for someone to beat him out..... If he can recapture the 2013 form though he'd be a great asset as a pure returner, or maybe with some end-around type plays thrown in. Don't forget he did lead us in TD catches last year...with 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Benji is simply not built to return kicks. However, if he can get his head right, then he can still be dangerous as a pun returner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Benji is simply not built to return kicks. However, if he can get his head right, then he can still be dangerous as a pun returner. pun returning can be...punishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Actually, Moore(25), Gabriel(24) and Draughn(23) all had better return averages than Benji(20).... WITH Benji we ranked 28th.....but WITHOUT him we would have ranked 10th......so, it was Benji who dragged our averages down, not Draughn or Gabriel... He'll never be a top performer....time for someone to beat him out..... But the year before Benjamin had a couple of long returns for TDs. Yes, last year was bad for him.....he somehow lost confidence. But historically he STILL was their best returner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 But the year before Benjamin had a couple of long returns for TDs. Yes, last year was bad for him.....he somehow lost confidence. But historically he STILL was their best returner. Historically? You mean, that one year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Just for shiggles, I created a "WWTCPOD" team in Madden. Drafted Bryce Petty instead of Xavier Cooper Drafted Stefon Diggs instead of Ibraheim Campbell. Signed La'el Collins - 3 yr UDFA contract + $300k signing bonus Signed Jake Long - 3 yr/ $23 million + $4 million signing bonus Signed Brandon Spikes - 4 yr/ $13 million + $2 million signing bonus Re-signed Tashaun Gipson - 5 yr/ $34 million + $4 million signing bonus Released Thad Lewis Released Glenn Winston Traded Mitchell Schwartz + 2016 4th rounder for a 2016 2nd rounder. Depth chart DEFENSE:RDE: Starks / Winn / HughesNT : Shelton / Taylor /KitchenLDE: D. Bryant / Hughes / WinnWLB: Dansby / Robertson / PullardSLB: Spikes / Kirksey / RobertsonOLB: Kruger / SolomonOLB: Mingo / OrchardRCB: Haden /K. Williams / Nelson (eventually Ifo backing up both RCB and LCB, if healthy)LCB: T. Williams / Gilbert / Gaines NICKEL: Gilbert/ K.WilliamsSS : Whitner / BademosiFS : Gipson / Desir / PoyerOFFENSE:WR 1: Bowe / Hartline /Mayle / SmithLT : Thomas / Long / ErvingLG: Bitonio / Collins / GrecoC : Mack / ErvingRG: Erving / Greco / CollinsRT : Long / ErvingTE : Housler / Barnidge / Dray / TelferWR2 : Hartline / Diggs / Mayle SLOT: Hawkins / Diggs / Gabriel / BenjaminRB: Crowell / Johnson / WestQB: Manziel / McCown / Petty / Shaw Went 7- 9 first year - Manziel struggled. Traded Manziel in 2016 for a second round pick and started Petty. Petty put together a 9 -7 year with a respectable rating, then won 11 in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Historically? You mean, that one year? Hahaha(actually half of a year, cause he blew his knee out...remember?).....but, hey, these facts dont matter anyhow.....he's GREAT!!! Though I do think people should differentiate between "kick" returner and punt returner...cause they are completely different animals and are getting rolled into one thing.....Travis has really only been our "punt" returner, and only this year got involved in any "kick" returns...though Marlon Moore is the primary.....and Travis was the lowest ranked on the team and ranked 84th in the league for kick return average(if that matters)...here's that extensive history he's put up.... 2012...Cribbs was our punt returner 2013...Travis took over and was fairly average(ranked 20th) for the 8 games he played...then blew his knee out 2014...Travis completely tanked and was ranked 40th(way below average) And as a receiver, he's brought very little.....in 3 years, he has 39 catches for just over 700 yds and 5 tds......GREG LITTLE did that in one season and we ran him out of town.....Last year, Josh Gordon played only 5 games and EVERYBODY slammed his effort and performance, yet he had the same # of catches and yards as Travis did in 16 games.....Taylor Gabriel did as much his first year as Benji has in 3..... Just have to open your eyes to see he's painfully average 3 years in...(or slightly below that even)....nothing wrong with getting better at a position that EVERYBODY knows we have to get better at.....wasnt WR one of our primary needs??? Everyone says we need better receivers, yet theres a push to save the bottom rung one?......who's done nothing special in 3 years except return a couple punts?......this team is getting too good to hang our hats on average anymore....time to move on... I only want to see better from that position....if Travis is the one to deliver it, thats fine.....but all Im saying is that he hasn't yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Desir and Campbell are S. Gaines is CB, and he will be ahead of Nelson but behind Gilbert. U sound so sure when Desir only played CB last year and the 2 rookies haven't even seen the practice field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 You want to get rid of Benjamin? Who is going to return punts and kicks? Do you mean who's going to fumble punts for us? Benji has been pretty good at that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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