Mudfly Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Ok....with one season in the tank, thought Id go back and look at how the 2014 draft class did and who the big winners were......there are a few obvious ones we all know about, like Kmack & Odell.....but who was best at each position?....or best overall?..... I researched them all at PFF and here they are.....the #1 rated rookie player at each position, listed highest to lowest in overall rating....meaning K Mack took honors as the highest(by a mile, actually)... Here we go....... K. Mack OLB / Oak.......Rnd 1(5) 1st OLB (picked) A. Donald DT/ StL...........Rnd 1(13) 1st DT J. Bitonio OG/ Browns....Rnd 2(35) 2nd G(6TH T) C. Borland ILB/ SF...........Rnd 3(77) 3rd ILB O. Beckham WR/ NYG........Rnd 1(12) 3rd WR C. Linsley C / GB............Rnd 5(161) 5th C K. Williams CB/ Browns.....UDFA 45TH (or later) B. Oliver RB/ SanD ......UDFA 19th (or later) T. Boston S / Car ..........Rnd 4(128) 8th S Bridgewater QB/ Minn.........Rnd 1(32) 3rd QB R. Hewitt FB / Cinn........UDFA 4th(or later) T. Lewin OT/ Tenn.......Rnd 1(11) 3rd OT D. Lawrence DE/Dal..........Rnd 2(34).....4th DE So, there they are.....#1 rated rookie at each position......14 positions....and only 5 first rounders... Just thought some of you would find this interesting...... And cant let it go without pointing out the only team that has 2 players represented.....dats right.....DA BROWNS!.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 OK, but what are those rankings at the end.......is that how they fared vis a vis ALL players at their position in the NFL? e.g. you say Bito was the "2d OG". Do you mean he rated second of all OGs in the entire league....including all veterans? Do you mean that KMack was THE best OLB in the entire NFL. Or is that where they were picked in the draft in comparison to all others at that position? Clarify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 OK, but what are those rankings at the end.......is that how they fared vis a vis ALL players at their position in the NFL? e.g. you say Bito was the "2d OG". Do you mean he rated second of all OGs in the entire league....including all veterans? Do you mean that KMack was THE best OLB in the entire NFL. Or is that where they were picked in the draft in comparison to all others at that position? Clarify. Where they were picked relative to their position, as stated, Mack was "1st OLB (picked)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 OK, but what are those rankings at the end.......is that how they fared vis a vis ALL players at their position in the NFL? e.g. you say Bito was the "2d OG". Do you mean he rated second of all OGs in the entire league....including all veterans? Do you mean that KMack was THE best OLB in the entire NFL. Or is that where they were picked in the draft in comparison to all others at that position? Clarify. Chris got it....the last number indicates where they were picked relative to their position....and these rankings are rookie only.... so, it's simply a list that show #1 at each position(where they were picked) and how many others were selected ahead of them then I listed them best to worst..... the top ones had 'elite" rankings within the entire NFL.....Bito , Kmack, Donald, Borland, Beckham all rated at the very top amongst all players........but thats for another list.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 So.... Mack should be:K. Mack OLB / Oak.......Rnd 1 (5) 1st OLB (picked) ??? And Mack was PFF's top rookie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 So.... Mack should be: K. Mack OLB / Oak.......Rnd 1 (5) 1st OLB (picked) ??? And Mack was PFF's top rookie? Fixed...Thanks Yes....K Mack actually had the highest rating of any player in the NFL......55. something......off the charts.....a 20+ would be considered elite.......our examples.....Bito 22, Joe Thomas 33.....so, 55 is WOW whoops.....correction.....JJ Watt is #1 at +107.5......holy effing crap!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 lol... 107.5 sounds more like an FM station than a PFF rating... ... but 55 doesn't suck. I believe I had that one... with a discount for being OK with the trade down thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Now can we say Sammy Watkins is not that guy that we thought he was. Ok I was the only one wrong.. But if you want to Crown him Crown Him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 I had Sammy penciled in all the way until Draft Day. I'll go as far as saying that Watkins was not the rookie I thought he'd be, but the book is not closed on him yet. That said, the second Mack was still on the board at #4 I said, "Sammy who?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 107.5 good lord. Can you just post the top 20 or so players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 107.5 good lord. Can you just post the top 20 or so players? I have the top rookies figured already....so here they are.....these are the top 15 rookies, regardless of position......their pff score is the last # listed......and for reference, anything over 20 would be an elite "all-pro" type season.....10-19 would be very good(pro-bowlish).....3-10 would be very good(above average play)........ 1) K. Mack OLB / Oak......Rnd 1(5) 55.3 2) A. Donald DT/ StL...........Rnd 1(13) 34.4 3) J. Bitonio OG/ Browns....Rnd 2(35) 22.4 4) Z. Martin OG/Dallas.......Rnd 1(16) 21.6 5) C. Borland ILB/ SF........... Rnd 3(77) 20.8 6) O. Beckham WR/ NYG.........Rnd 1(12) 20.4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 6 players above all rated over 20(elite) and were among the top 2-3 players in the NFL...at their respective positions.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) B. Linder OG/Jax...........Rnd 3(93) 16.6 8) C. Mosley ILB/Balt...........Rnd 1(17) 11.3 9) M. Evans WR/TB...........Rnd 1(7) 10.2 10)C. Linsley C / GB.............Rnd 5(161) 10.0 11)A. Baar OLB/Minn........Rnd 1(9) 9.3 12)T. Jernigan DE/Balt............Rnd 2(48) 8.9 13) K. Williams CB/ Browns.....UDFA 8.7 14) A. Norwell OG/Car ..........UDFA 8.5 15)B. Benwikere CB/Car............Rnd 5(148) 7.6 So....there they are....your 15 top rookies for 2014.......how many on this list would you have predicted?.....for me, maybe just a few........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 and here are your overall 10 highest rated players....flat out.....all positions/all NFL..... 1) JJ Watt.............DE.........107.5 2) K. Mack...........OLB........55.3.....*rookie 3) V. Miller...........OLB........54.0 4) J. Houston.......OLB........51.1 5) M. Yanda........OG..........43.4 6) A. Rodgers......QB.........40.0 7) S. Richardson..DE.........39.9 8) J. Peters..........OT.........38.2 9) A. Whitworth....OT.........36.8 10) A. Donald........DT.........34.4.....*rookie And not too many surprises here........all top players....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 and only one QB. he is a 'BAAAAAAAD' man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Beat's the "Money Sign" with a Money Belt.. No Double Check needed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 So....there they are....your 15 top rookies for 2014.......how many on this list would you have predicted?.....for me, maybe just a few........ Put me down for three... Mack, Borland and Linder. I am surprised Mosely did not rate higher. and here are your overall 10 highest rated players....flat out.....all positions/all NFL..... And not too many surprises here........all top players....... Interesting breakdown.... 3 OLBs (2-4), 2 DEs, 2 OTs, 1 OG, 1 DT... and a QB in a Pear Tree... Do you happen to have Joe Thomas' rating for reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Joe Thomas.... Yes, I had him as #10, but turns out he is really #11 with a 33.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Even though this is just a one season analysis, it tells me what I already knew, all the time, money and effort that goes into talent evaluation by NFL teams is worthless. It's a crap shoot. 3 UDFA's on the list? Oh well, it is after all, a league where the best QB in its history was selected in the 6th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Thanks mudfly! I need to get myself an account soon. I'm curious how Mack's stats were so average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Thanks mudfly! I need to get myself an account soon. I'm curious how Mack's stats were so average. Mack?......not sure if asking about our Mack .....or K. Mack......??.......K Mack was off the charts good at 55 Alex Mack had a great score (for 5 games)......since you get a score each week, your overall score is cumulative.....For his 5 games, Mack had a 6.9, which is pretty good even for 16 games......if you project the same performance over 16, he would have scored a 22.1 and been rated #2 center in the league(Mangold had a 22.6).... So, Id say....both Macks were well above average....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Even though this is just a one season analysis, it tells me what I already knew, all the time, money and effort that goes into talent evaluation by NFL teams is worthless. It's a crap shoot. 3 UDFA's on the list? Oh well, it is after all, a league where the best QB in its history was selected in the 6th round. Same data... different conclusion... If it's a crap shoot with all the scouting that is done, I hate to think how poor the selecting would be without it. And while you'd get a lot of arguments about Brady being the best ever... in the roll call of HOF QBs, there are quite a number of low draft choices or UDFAs and/or were released from their original teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Mack?......not sure if asking about our Mack .....or K. Mack......??.......K Mack was off the charts good at 55 Alex Mack had a great score (for 5 games)......since you get a score each week, your overall score is cumulative.....For his 5 games, Mack had a 6.9, which is pretty good even for 16 games......if you project the same performance over 16, he would have scored a 22.1 and been rated #2 center in the league(Mangold had a 22.6).... So, Id say....both Macks were well above average....... I mean his actual stats. 55 tackles, 4 sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 I mean his actual stats. 55 tackles, 4 sacks. It's Oakland. Teams probably played away from him. Opposite to Skrine getting a load of INTs because teams attacked him, not Haden, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Yeah makes sense but it's still extremely low and sacks are sacks. Especially with Justin Tuck on the other side. Just saying, with that grade, you'd think he'd have more. I'm curious how Suh did and how the league's best CBs stack up, since several are in an ongoing pissing match with each other/their critics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 True it's low, but sacks are only sacks if the QB doesn't get rid of the ball. Their D is so porous that maybe the QB can get rid of the ball more quickly - if he's playing with Seattle or Cleveland's DBs, giving the rushers and extra second or two to get home, maybe he's in double figures. As it is, he may have a lot of hurries and hits that don't count as sacks. He's also extremely good setting the edge against the run, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Yeah makes sense but it's still extremely low and sacks are sacks. ......I'm curious how Suh did and how the league's best CBs stack up, since several are in an ongoing pissing match with each other/their critics. I wouldnt call his #'s extremely low at all. Pretty good for a 4-3 backer actually. He was tied for 4th in sacks(and had 40 hurries) and was 15th in tackles overall......though, when broken down, his pass rush score is just above average and his run stop #'s are where he was stellar...... he may have a lot of hurries and hits that don't count as sacks. He's also extremely good setting the edge against the run, IIRC. You nailed it Chris.....great run stopper.....and a boat load of QB hits(10), hurries(40) and stops(48).....plus, add that he doesn't miss any tackles and played the whole season w/o a single penalty......supersolid..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 I'm curious how Suh did and how the league's best CBs stack up, since several are in an ongoing pissing match with each other/their critics. Suh was ranked 3rd for DT, behind Arron Donald and Gerald McCoy......37 tackles(4th)...8 sacks(5th)....37 hurries(1st).....38 stops(1st)......and a big pile of penalties...10(1st)....w/o the penalties he would have been #1 (same can be said for McCoy who tied him for the most) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Suh was ranked 3rd for DT, behind Arron Donald and Gerald McCoy......37 tackles(4th)...8 sacks(5th)....37 hurries(1st).....38 stops(1st)......and a big pile of penalties...10(1st)....w/o the penalties he would have been #1 (same can be said for McCoy who tied him for the most) Aaron Donald...picked at 19 last year? Man, we could do with picking up his clone this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 I wouldnt call his #'s extremely low at all. Pretty good for a 4-3 backer actually.Thinking the same thing... for a 4-3 OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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