Guest Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Tom Brady...or...Donovan McNabb Joe Montana...or...Randall Cunningham John Elway...or...Boomer Esiason Otto Graham...or...Kerry Collins Peyton Manning...or...Joe Theisman Terry Bradshaw...or...Phil Simms Bart Starr...or...Bob Griese Brett Favre...or...Ken Stabler Sid Luckman...or...Kurt Warner Sammy Baugh...or...Ben Roethlisberger Dan Marino...or...Fran Tarkenton Troy Aikman...or...Eli Manning Steve Young...or...Aaron Rodgers Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson John Unitas...or...Norm Van Brocklin Roger Staubach...or Y.A. Tittle Kelly/Dawson and Starr/Griese were the tough choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 This link 'Cold Hard Football Facts' is to an old (2008) article titled "The definitive list: Top 10 NFL quarterbacks". I was recently on the Cold Hard Football Facts site looking for a comprehensive article for explaining the need for balance in football teams as opposed to thinking 'defenses wins games', so I thought I would check to see what those guys had to say. The above link is what I found. Whereas the GOAT NFL QB is somewhat subjective (in the eyes of the beholder) the CHFF guys put numbers to the QBs to came up with their view. I don't necessarily agree with them because I have strong biases against some in the list but I think you guys will like what's said about their their #4 GOAT. Article excerpt: 4. OTTO GRAHAM (Cleveland 1946-55) Best NFL season (1953): 167 for 258 (64.7%), 2,722 yards, 10.6 YPA, 11 TD, 9 INT, 99.7 passer rating Career (includes AAFC career): 1,464 for 2,626 (55.8%), 23,584 yards, 9.0 YPA, 174 TD, 135 INT, 86.6 passer rating Championships: AAFC 1946-49; NFL 1950, 1954, 1955 Overview: Otto Graham was Tom Brady before Tom Brady, putting up gaudy numbers for his time while winning games and championships at an unprecedented rate. He led the Browns to a championship in all four years of the AAFC's existence (1946-49). But he and the Browns proved they belonged in the big leagues by capturing the NFL title in their first year in the league. In fact, they'd go on to set a record that still stands, appearing in six straight NFL championship games from 1950 to 1955, winning three of them. Bottom line: Graham played in a pro football championship game every single season of his 10-year career, winning seven of them in two different leagues. He also set passing marks that stood for decades. His 86.6 passer rating, for example, is the top mark of the pre-Live Ball Era. And his career 9.0 YPA is No. 1 by a sizable margin. So why, then, isn't Graham higher on the list? His four years in the AAFC make for some awkward comparisons. There's every reason to believe the Browns would have been a dominant NFL team over those four years, but little reason to believe they would have won four straight championships. Graham's numbers also declined pretty noticeably when he went to the NFL, from simply unbelievable to merely spectacular. His career 9.0 YPA average, for example, drops to 8.63 if we look only at his NFL numbers. Of course, that 8.63 YPA mark is the best in NFL history, too. The full measure of Graham's impact is this: the organization has never recovered from his departure at the end of the 1955 season. Sure, they remained competitive through the Jim Brown years (1957-65), winning a championship in 1964. But that's the only championship the organization won since Graham last took a snap for the Browns. Wonderful. Where are your votes? You can talk about him all you want...and that is all good talk, but he won't advance in this contest unless you vote for him. Edit: I also think the same situation can be said for any number of other franchises...one great star brought them titles. Look at New England. Had a couple of shots at the apple but no one ever matched Brady for what that team did. Same with the Broncos and Elway. The Vikings haven't made it since Tarkenton. Dawson and the Chiefs. Where have the Jets been since Namath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Tom Brady...or...Donovan McNabb Joe Montana...or...Randall Cunningham John Elway...or...Boomer Esiason Otto Graham...or...Kerry Collins Peyton Manning...or...Joe Theisman Terry Bradshaw...or...Phil Simms Bart Starr...or...Bob Griese Brett Favre...or...Ken Stabler Sid Luckman...or...Kurt Warner Sammy Baugh...or...Ben Roethlisberger Dan Marino...or...Fran Tarkenton Troy Aikman...or...Eli Manning Steve Young...or...Aaron Rodgers Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson John Unitas...or...Norm Van Brocklin Roger Staubach...or Y.A. Tittle Kelly/Dawson and Starr/Griese were the tough choices. I think they will get tougher from here on out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Here we go with the Round of 32 matchups. Cast your vote for the better QB from these pairings: My choices: Tom Brady...or...Donovan McNabb Joe Montana...or...Randall Cunningham John Elway...or...Boomer Esiason Otto Graham...or...Kerry Collins Peyton Manning...or...Joe Theisman Terry Bradshaw...or...Phil Simms Bart Starr...or...Bob Griese Brett Favre...or...Ken Stabler Sid Luckman...or...Kurt Warner Sammy Baugh...or...Ben Roethlisberger Dan Marino...or...Fran Tarkenton Troy Aikman...or...Eli Manning Steve Young...or...Aaron Rodgers Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson John Unitas...or...Norm Van Brocklin Roger Staubach...or Y.A. Tittle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarker Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Wonderful. Where are your votes? You can talk about him all you want...and that is all good talk, but he won't advance in this contest unless you vote for him. I don't know enough to vote. You guys know what you're talkin' 'bout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I don't know enough to vote. You guys know what you're talkin' 'bout. OK, at least you are honest. But you are doing the right thing by reading stuff like what you quoted. Very good analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaak Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Tom Brady...or...Donovan McNabb Joe Montana...or...Randall Cunningham John Elway...or...Boomer Esiason Otto Graham...or...Kerry Collins Peyton Manning...or...Joe Theisman Terry Bradshaw...or...Phil Simms Bart Starr...or...Bob Griese Brett Favre...or...Ken Stabler Sid Luckman...or...Kurt Warner Sammy Baugh...or...Ben Roethlisberger Dan Marino...or...Fran Tarkenton Troy Aikman...or...Eli Manning Steve Young...or...Aaron Rodgers Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson John Unitas...or...Norm Van Brocklin Roger Staubach...or Y.A. Tittle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Here we go with the Round of 32 matchups. Cast your vote for the better QB from these pairings: Tom Brady◀...or...Donovan McNabb Joe Montana◀...or...Randall Cunningham John Elway◀...or...Boomer Esiason Otto Graham◀...or...Kerry Collins Peyton Manning◀...or...Joe Theisman Terry Bradshaw◀...or...Phil Simms Bart Starr◀...or...Bob Griese Brett Favre◀...or...Ken Stabler Sid Luckman◀...or...Kurt Warner Sammy Baugh◀...or...Ben Roethlisberger Dan Marino◀...or...Fran Tarkenton Troy Aikman◀...or...Eli Manning Steve Young◀...or...Aaron Rodgers Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson◀ John Unitas◀...or...Norm Van Brocklin Roger Staubach◀...or Y.A. Tittle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Here we go with the Round of 32 matchups. Cast your vote for the better QB from these pairings: Winners in this round: Tom Brady...or...Donovan McNabb Joe Montana...or...Randall Cunningham John Elway...or...Boomer Esiason Otto Graham...or...Kerry Collins Peyton Manning...or...Joe Theisman Terry Bradshaw...or...Phil Simms Bart Starr...or...Bob Griese Brett Favre...or...Ken Stabler Sid Luckman...or...Kurt Warner Sammy Baugh...or...Ben Roethlisberger Dan Marino...or...Fran Tarkenton Troy Aikman...or...Eli Manning Steve Young...or...Aaron Rodgers Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson John Unitas...or...Norm Van Brocklin Roger Staubach...or Y.A. Tittle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16: Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson Joe Montana...or...Steve Young John Elway...or...Troy Aikman Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh Cast Your Vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 1. Joe Montana and that ends the discussion for me No one is even close. If I had to pick a guy just on talent alone I'd pick Marino, but he wasn't a winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16: Tom Brady. W...or...Len Dawson Joe Montana w...or...Steve Young John Elway...or... W Troy Aikman Otto Graham. W..or...Roger Staubach John Unitas w...or...Terry Bradshaw Peyton Manning w...or...Dan Marino Bart Starr...or... W Brett Favre Sid Luckman w...or...Sammy Baugh Cast Your Vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16: Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson Joe Montana...or...Steve Young John Elway...or...Troy Aikman Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh Cast Your Vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Young over Montana? Can't see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16: Tom Brady◀...or...Len Dawson Joe Montana◀...or...Steve Young John Elway◀...or...Troy Aikman Otto Graham◀...or...Roger Staubach John Unitas◀...or...Terry Bradshaw Peyton Manning◀...or...Dan Marino Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre◀ Sid Luckman◀...or...Sammy Baugh Cast Your Vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 1. Joe Montana and that ends the discussion for me No one is even close. If I had to pick a guy just on talent alone I'd pick Marino, but he wasn't a winner Unless you cast your votes it won't do you any good to just say who you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dste Ace Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16: Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson Joe Montana...or...Steve Young John Elway...or...Troy Aikman Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh Cast Your Vote. Had to rely on Wikipedia for Sid Luckman--Sammy Baugh. I ain't THAT fucking old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson Joe Montana...or...Steve Young John Elway...or...Troy Aikman Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think Jurgenson would have made into the second round, and Brees into the third round. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think Jurgenson would have made into the second round, and Brees into the third round. Zombo Yea, maybe. What can I say? I just overlooked them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Yea, maybe. What can I say? I just overlooked them. Is that a short joke on Brees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Is that a short joke on Brees? Ah....NO. (but, yea, sorry, Doug Flutie didn't make the cut either.....unless I could have counted his CFL career). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16: MY votes Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson Joe Montana...or...Steve Young John Elway...or...Troy Aikman Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh Cast Your Vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 greatest QB in my time, brian fucking sipe! (cheers WSS!) WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 WSS Why don't you vote dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16: Here are the winners in this round: Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson Joe Montana...or...Steve Young John Elway...or...Troy Aikman Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh Cast Your Vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaak Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson Joe Montana...or...Steve Young John Elway...or...Troy Aikman Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 And here are your "Elite 8" QB matchups: Tom Brady vs. Brett Favre John Unitas vs. Peyton Manning Joe Montana vs. John Elway Otto Graham vs. Sammy Baugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 And here are your "Elite 8" QB matchups: Tom Brady vs. Brett Favre John Unitas vs. Peyton Manning Joe Montana vs. John Elway Otto Graham vs. Sammy Baugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 And here are your "Elite 8" QB matchups: Tom Brady w vs. Brett Favre John Unitas vs.w Peyton Manning Joe Montana w vs. John Elway Otto Graham w vs. Sammy Baugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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