DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ2IzMaqZTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Good, another dead idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Your car, your tent, your camper...is the same as your home. 100 percent self defense. Meanwhile, a young couple - both were murdered/gunned down.. here in Ohio, after giving up their car to a carjacker. The murderer didn't want to leave them behind as witnesses, apparently. I'm proud of my ccw license, hope none of us with one, never have to be in a potentially lethal self-defense situation. It happens. And concealed carry laws are law, in every single state in our country. That's pretty telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 This is self defense. Pure an simple. An aggressor threatens you with a gun, you defend yourself with yours. Paying attention, Woodrow? Also notice that after the threat was neutralized, the "would-not-be-a" victim assessed his situation, made sure the scene was clear and safe, moved the assailant's gun from his/her reach and began to contact authorities using his phone (what it appeared to be prior to the video terminating - i doubt he was reaching for another magazine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 This is self defense. Pure an simple. An aggressor threatens you with a gun, you defend yourself with yours. Paying attention, Woodrow? Yes, I am. I am not sure you did when I posted though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Better look to see if there were Skittles on the perp. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Probably not the best example considering the location it occurred being in Venezuela, and the country having the highest crime rate in the world http://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Oh it probably isn't a great example but gee whiz it's fun to watch ain't it? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Haven't watched it yet, probably not safe for work, if the comments are to be believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Yes, I am. I am not sure you did when I posted though. When you posted what? Wasn't in this thread, Edison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 No shit. You were referencing the other thread, so was I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Just make sure that if someone breaks into your home or car you shoot em dead. It's easier to stand trial when the criminal is taking a dirt nap. Uh... yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gftChris Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I agree, the best defense against someone with a gun is another gun. But should we be putting more emphasis on preventing guys like that from having the guns in the first place? Obviously, outlawing guns is going to be detrimental in the short term to law-abiding citizens, because you basically disarm the 'good' guys and hand a massive advantage to criminals, BUT, I don't see the long term aim isn't geared towards preventing the 'bad' guys from having guns at all. Of course, 'bad' guys is subjective - the guy in the car still shot a guy dead and if you're a bible type then he's going to hell for murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Self defense is not murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Chris it's a little naive to believe that writing some new laws will change the United States into England. Not that I have anything against England its just a different culture. It would seem that making all guns illegal would make everything safe but I don't think that works in practice. Probably prohibition on alcohol and recreational drugs would make for a better stronger healthier society. But we've seen how it works in the real world. Teenage drinking is against the law right now. Do you think teenagers still drink or not? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 So you're going with the 'people will do what the fuck they want so why even bother trying to stop them' attitude? In which case Woody's poster is probably quite apt. I'm not trying to turn the US in to the UK - lord knows we have enough issues of our own. I just fail to see why the best way to reduce gun crime is an arms race, rather than trying to stop the supply of guns to criminals. I'm not saying that's easy, and I'm not saying ban all guns immediately - I actually specifically said as much above - I just think it's the right goal to aim for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I just fail to see why the best way to reduce gun crime is an arms race, rather than trying to stop the supply of guns to criminals. I'm not saying that's easy, and I'm not saying ban all guns immediately - I actually specifically said as much above - I just think it's the right goal to aim for. It worked for the Cold War. How many nuclear wars did we have during that "arms race" when the bad guys* were well aware the good guys* had nukes of their own. Pretty fucking effective if you ask me. *Each "side" could be found here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Research studies also supporting the points I've made in this thread and countless others. http://m.phys.org/news/2014-01-restrictive-concealed-weapons-laws-gun-related.html The opposition continues to count on illiterate fools like Piers Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 It worked for the Cold War. How many nuclear wars did we have during that "arms race" when the bad guys* were well aware the good guys* had nukes of their own. Pretty fucking effective if you ask me. *Each "side" could be found here But is that preferable to neither side having nukes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Man has always wanted the ultimate weapon. Man has always killed, with whatever weapons he had. I don't think that human nature can be changed. So, I want the ultimate weapon I can legally own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 So you're going with the 'people will do what the fuck they want so why even bother trying to stop them' attitude? In which case Woody's poster is probably quite apt. I'm not trying to turn the US in to the UK - lord knows we have enough issues of our own. I just fail to see why the best way to reduce gun crime is an arms race, rather than trying to stop the supply of guns to criminals. I'm not saying that's easy, and I'm not saying ban all guns immediately - I actually specifically said as much above - I just think it's the right goal to aim for. In a way I guess that is what I'm saying. The bad guys will still get guns and the good guys will be less and less able to defend themselves. But if you've never had any particular set of Rights, whatever they might be, one would not understand that someone else might be loath to give up those rights. Yes I guess a goal of a gun free country is an admirable goal. Maybe. Again the goal of a drug or alcohol Free America would be a positioyve goal as well.There are probably a lot of things we are free to do right now that we'd be better off if those rights were taken away from us. Agree or disagree? But again if grandma is going to be mugged I prefer that grandma had a concealed carry license 38 in her purse that she knew how to use. I also hope that everyone who has a CCW goes about the safety and preventative steps that they are taught. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Oh, bs, Chris. Btw, the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" you indirectly refer to (see "going to hell")... is incorrect. The original Hebrew and Greek says "Thou Shalt Not Murder"). and you said "...not saying ban all guns immediately..." Seriously? What kind of really dumb people expect gun owners to go with any kind of goal that is "get guns out of the hands of criminals", when the long term goal is to dominate those who aren't like you...as in...have guns? Apparently, you haven't caught up with our Constitution. Liberals never solve problems, they just whine about wanting utopia, so they can at least try to achieve some self-serving justification for whatever ails them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Oh, bs, Chris. Btw, the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" you indirectly refer to (see "going to hell")... is incorrect. The original Hebrew and Greek says "Thou Shalt Not Murder"). Yeah, that was a glib reply - but you can bet there'd be some people saying it for real. and you said "...not saying ban all guns immediately..." Seriously? What kind of really dumb people expect gun owners to go with any kind of goal that is "get guns out of the hands of criminals", when the long term goal is to dominate those who aren't like you...as in...have guns? I'm not trying to dominate anyone. I'm thinking that the best way to reduce gun crime isn't necessarily to make sure everybody has a gun. Apparently, you haven't caught up with our Constitution. Liberals never solve problems, they just whine about wanting utopia, so they can at least try to achieve some self-serving justification for whatever ails them. I love this idea that the constitution is held as sacrosanct. So then why amend it in the first place? You either hold it as gospel and live by it, or you accept the fact that it is flawed and you amend it. You can't amend it and then claim it's perfect. It's an evolving thing, being continually refined. As I understand it - correct me if I'm wrong - not even every state has accepted all the amendments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 But is that preferable to neither side having nukes? Which one is more possible, arming everyone or making guns disappear? Shit in one hand and wish in the other. I would prefer having an armed and polite society to one where clueless government goons try to enforce inane gun laws (922r for example) that only punish the law abiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 But is that preferable to neither side having nukes? Are we trying to have a discussion based in reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Are we trying to have a discussion based in reality? "We will replace the guns with dragons and unicorns." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Well shit, I would own a dragon for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Oh, bs, Chris. Btw, the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" you indirectly refer to (see "going to hell")... is incorrect. The original Hebrew and Greek says "Thou Shalt Not Murder"). I am guessing, since the Bible has been translated so many times, no one knows what the original words were that some dudes wrote down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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