DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Group unveils Satan statue design for Oklahoma By SEAN MURPHY15 hours ago .View gallery . OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — A satanic group unveiled designs Monday for a 7-foot-tall statue of Satan it wants to put at the Oklahoma state Capitol, where a Ten Commandments monument was placed in 2012. "The monument has been designed to reflect the views of Satanists in Oklahoma City and beyond," temple spokesman Lucien Greaves said in a statement. "The statue will also have a functional purpose as a chair where people of all ages may sit on the lap of Satan for inspiration and contemplation."The New York-based Satanic Temple formally submitted its application to a panel that oversees the Capitol grounds, including an artist's rendering that depicts Satan as Baphomet, a goat-headed figure with horns, wings and a long beard that's often used as a symbol of the occult. In the rendering, Satan is sitting in a pentagram-adorned throne with smiling children next to him. The Satanic Temple maintains that the Oklahoma Legislature's decision to authorize a privately funded Ten Commandments monument at the Capitol opened the door for its statue. The Ten Commandments monument was placed on the north steps of the building in 2012, and the Oklahoma chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has sued to have it removed. Similar requests for monuments have been made by a Hindu leader in Nevada, an animal rights group and the satirical Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. In response, the Oklahoma Capitol Preservation Commission recently placed a moratorium on considering any new requests. View gallery In this Sept. 9, 2010 photo, a billboard erected by atheists in Oklahoma City reads " Don't believe … "Anybody can still make their request, but we'll hold off on considering them until the lawsuit is adjudicated," commission Chairman Trait Thompson said. The push by the Satanic Temple has rankled elected leaders in this conservative state known as the buckle of the Bible Belt, who say such a proposal would never be approved by the commission. "I think you've got to remember where you are. This is Oklahoma, the middle of the heartland," said Rep. Don Armes, R-Faxon. "I think we need to be tolerant of people who think different than us, but this is Oklahoma, and that's not going to fly here." While Greaves acknowledges the Satanic Temple's effort is in part to highlight what it says is hypocrisy of state leaders in Oklahoma, he says the group is serious about having a monument placed there. The group already has raised nearly half of the $20,000 it says it needs to build the monument. "We plan on moving forward one way or another," Greaves said. Another Oklahoma legislator, Rep. Earl Sears, called the group's effort "an insult to the good people of the state." "I do not see Satanism as a religion, and they have no place at the state Capitol," said Sears, R-Bartlesville. On its website, the Satanic Temple explains that it "seeks to separate Religion from Superstition by acknowledging religious belief as a metaphorical framework with which we construct a narrative context for our goals and works. "Satan stands as the ultimate icon for the selfless revolt against tyranny, free & rational inquiry, and the responsible pursuit of happiness," the website says. ___ Sean Murphy can be reached at www.twitter.com/apseanmurphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 ugh...just trying to make a point, pedantic PC idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 If you open urself up to supporting a religion at a govenment building you allow anyone, and any religion the opportunity to make the request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Yeah, that's true. I'm not sure what the argument would be to NOT allow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 You probably hold some kind of vote on what statue should be there; then when the Christians win, which of course they will, do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Oh yeah, there are ways around doing it. But if you are going to have up one religious symbol, I'm not surd how you can reject others without playing favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Oh yeah, there are ways around doing it. But if you are going to have up one religious symbol, I'm not surd how you can reject others without playing favorites. Sure, but if you're going to play favourites, you go with the one that 80% of the population follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Sure, but if you're going to play favourites, you go with the one that 80% of the population follow. Let's not pretend that all religious organizations are equal in the eyes of the United States government. Case in point David Koresh. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Let's not pretend that all religious organizations are equal in the eyes of the United States government. Case in point David Koresh. WSS The issues that the US Government had with Koresh had absolutely nothing to do with his religious point of view, and everything to do with his violations firearms/weapons laws and Child Welfare issues. Koresh's apocalyptic religious beliefs were/are pretty much mainstream in middle Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Let's not pretend that all religious organizations are equal in the eyes of the United States government. Case in point David Koresh. WSS The problem with sects or religions such as the Branch Davidians, is when the break either federal or state laws. If I remember wasn't there statutory rape and illegal firearms in the building that caused the raid... that caused the deaths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 The trouble is the tyranny of those who demand that the vast majority live by the rules of that tiny minority. It's just another angle of attack on the status quo. Rebels with no legit cause, except to fight everything that the majority does and lives by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 I don't know exactly which of the allegations were proven and which were sufficient reason to murder everyone in the compound. I don't know why President Harrison led a jihad against the Mormons. I don't know what makes a cult less believable or less worthy than a religion. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 According to the ATF they had illegal weapons, which caused the raid, which caused gun fire to be exchanged, which led to the siege, and then ultimately the fire that killed everyone. There is nothing wrong with a cult, in fact some major religions today started off as cults, such as Christianity was treated as a cult of Judaism when it first started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 According to the ATF? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Oh yeah, there are ways around doing it. But if you are going to have up one religious symbol, I'm not surd how you can reject others without playing favorites. This. If one dipshit religion can push their agenda and get a monument, then all of the dipshits should get to put their statue up. All of the Christians who wailed about how they wanted the Ten Commandments up should be really proud of themselves for opening the floodgates for Joe from the Church of Iron Maiden to put up a 12 ft tall Eddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Most people aren't dipshit atheists like you, so we could give a fuck what you think hoss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Most people aren't dipshit atheists like you, so we could give a fuck what you think hoss. You are doing a bad job of turning the other cheek. Isn't that what your favorite cartoon character had to say on the whole issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 You must have me mixed up with one of your stereotypes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 What makes Christianity more believable than Satanism anyway? Or any other religion? Or a flying spaghetti monster? And Cal, how is a minority asking to be treated as equal the same the majority living under the minority's tyranny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 You must have me mixed up with one of your stereotypes. Those stereotypes who read the bible and follow it's teachings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 What makes Christianity more believable than Satanism anyway? Or any other religion? Or a flying spaghetti monster? And Cal, how is a minority asking to be treated as equal the same the majority living under the minority's tyranny? Because they are right and everyone else is wrong? It is a matter of faith. If you believe gibberish long enough, you just accept it as fact. Asking for equal treatment is blasphemy. It always ends up being turned around into some argument about preferential treatment when it is the majority who wants to keep that preferential treatment. Christians wailed to get the Ten Commandments in front of a public facility and now they can live with the ramifications of getting what they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Satan might be a more accurate idol for the types of scum that are attracted to politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Woody... three people can't impose their "equality" upon millions. Minority groups have rights, but the majority cannot survive in the long run, if they can't make decisions for the vast, most of society. The majority, our society has a right to define itself, outside of the rights of the minority. By your reasoning, Woody, a minority group of cannabals would allege to have the right to put up a statue of their own. On and on, until there is no society at all. Just some weird, sick movie about Waterworld. The manson "family" was a minority. The vast majority has one statue to represent the majority. Otherwise, there would be thousands of statues? Nonsense. Society/vast majority has a right to protect it's own existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Woody... three people can't impose their "equality" upon millions. Minority groups have rights, but the majority cannot survive in the long run, if they can't make decisions for the vast, most of society. The majority, our society has a right to define itself, outside of the rights of the minority. By your reasoning, Woody, a minority group of cannabals would allege to have the right to put up a statue of their own. On and on, until there is no society at all. Just some weird, sick movie about Waterworld. The manson "family" was a minority. The vast majority has one statue to represent the majority. Otherwise, there would be thousands of statues? Nonsense. Society/vast majority has a right to protect it's own existence. Right, so you're saying that there should be no statue up in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 how is a minority asking to be treated as equal the same the majority living under the minority's tyranny?That's kind of what democracy is. As your buddy Obama said elections have consequences. Meaning that the minority doesn't get their way. The minority loses and gets screwed. Right? Plus the only minorities that have their rights protected are ones who are politically useful to whoever is in power. Nobody cares about the rights of Nazis or the Ku Klux Klan right? That deep respect and love for minority rights seems to dissipate when that minority isn't what we might call politically correct. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 That's kind of what democracy is. As your buddy Obama said elections have consequences. Meaning that the minority doesn't get their way. The minority loses and gets screwed. Right? Plus the only minorities that have their rights protected are ones who are politically useful to whoever is in power. Nobody cares about the rights of Nazis or the Ku Klux Klan right? That deep respect and love for minority rights seems to dissipate when that minority isn't what we might call politically correct. WSS It's about equality for minorities - but when those minorities are the ones championing inequality, they shouldn't really be getting a say in how the country is run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 It's about equality for minorities - but when those minorities are the ones championing inequality, they shouldn't really be getting a say in how the country is run. Well then. Like George Orwell said, to paraphrase, some minorities are more equal than others. Understood. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Well then. Like George Orwell said, to paraphrase, some minorities are more equal than others. Understood. WSS Do you disagree? Think we should give racists, fascists and the rest an equal say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 The trouble is the tyranny of those who demand that the vast majority live by the rules of that tiny minority. It's just another angle of attack on the status quo. Rebels with no legit cause, except to fight everything that the majority does and lives by. It's ironic specially after reading your arguments about global warming, and reading this article posted by gftChris http://www.skepticalscience.com/OISM-Petition-Project-basic.htm you are arguing that the minority shouldn't have a say over the majority for religion and then turn around and argue that less than .3% of all science graduates agreeing that man made global warming is a myth proves that it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Do you disagree? Think we should give racists, fascists and the rest an equal say? I think freedom means the freedom to be an asshole if you so choose. We also afford special privileges to racists if they fit the proper criteria. Do you believe that Muslims or Christians or Jew should have and equal say? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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