DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 DoD Leave for Same-Sex Marriage Criticized Aug 19, 2013 Stars and Stripes| by Leo Shane III WASHINGTON -- Conservative critics are blasting the Defense Department for giving gay troops an early wedding gift: up to 10 days uncharged leave time for same-sex marriages. Pentagon officials say it’s about fairness, not generosity. Only 13 states and the District of Columbia allow same-sex marriages, creating a hardship for U.S. servicemembers stationed in many parts of the world. The policy change came last week as part of Pentagon plans to extend spousal benefits to all married couples, gay or straight, in the wake of a Supreme Court ruling in June knocking down the federal Defense of Marriage Act. For the last two years, defense officials have said that law barred them from offering any military benefits to legally married same-sex couples. Along with housing stipends, health care coverage and separation pay, the new rules allow commanders to grant free leave time -- up to 10 days for troops overseas, up to seven days for U.S.-based troops more than 100 miles from a state that recognizes same-sex marriages -- for gay troops to marry. Members of the Family Research Council, which opposed the “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal, labeled the uncharged leave policy government-endorsed “homosexual honeymoons.” Peter Sprigg, FRC’s senior fellow for policy studies, said the move goes well beyond simply recognizing same-sex couples in the ranks. “It could well be argued that the new policy actively discriminates against opposite-sex couples, who receive no special leave for their weddings,” he wrote in a FRC news release on Thursday. DoD officials dismissed those arguments, saying that military life presents extra difficulties for gay troops looking to get married. Travel to the states that allow same-sex marriages is a significant problem for troops stationed in places such as Texas or South Korea. “(The uncharged leave) will provide accelerated access to the full range of benefits offered to married military couples throughout the department and help level the playing field between opposite-sex and same-sex couples seeking to be married,” said Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen, a Pentagon spokesman. Gay servicemembers aren’t guaranteed the full seven or 10 days off. Christensen said decisions on the amount of time granted will be made by their commanders, who will decide based on unit responsibilities and an individual’s personal situation. The uncharged leave is for “traveling to a jurisdiction where [a same-sex] marriage may occur,” not for a wedding vacation, Christensen said. Advocates noted that the military is offering uncharged leave, not travel stipends or any way to cover the costs of potentially lengthy trips. “We don’t want the country at large to think that these couples are getting special treatment,” said Mark Mazzone, spokesman for the military LGBT advocacy group SPART*A. “There will still be expenses and difficulties, but we feel like (the uncharged leave) is a fair compromise.” In the past, Pentagon officials have estimated that about 5,600 active-duty servicemembers and 3,400 guardsmen and reservists would apply for same-sex spousal benefits when they became available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Really? Now we have reverse discrimination for gays, too? Say, that will lock in the gay community votes forever, just like entitled, dependent black subculture. I guess all gays will get special extra points when they take civil service tests. It's all so much corrupt pandering and enabling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Think they should extend this to all. Even though opposite couples are able to get married anywhere, it would be better to give our troops the ability to get married in their home state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 I expect pink cammies next, with a heart on the ass pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 I expect pink cammies next, with a heart on the ass pocket. What you wear to bed is none of our business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Obama has destroyed the military as a fighting organization and turned it into a politically correct social change organization. In a few years god help us if we have to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 What I wear to bed is none of your business. Wtf????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Obama has destroyed the military as a fighting organization and turned it into a politically correct social change organization. In a few years god help us if we have to fight. We are spending 500 billion more a year on our military than the second highest country. I think we will be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Wtf????? And sorry couldn't help but take that shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 We are spending 500 billion more a year on our military than the second highest country. I think we will be ok. Money doesn't sit in foxholes and get shot at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Money doesn't sit in foxholes and get shot at. Are you saying that since we allow gays into the military, the military will be weaker? or just in general that Obama hates the military and is making it weak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 I think/know that letting openly gay people in the military will weaken it. I don't think Obama hates the military, I just think he is incompetent. I spent 22 years in the military and still have many connections and I can tell you it isn't a pretty picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Sad, you'd probly' have to have been in the military to get it.... I don't know if you were. But yes, it weakens the military. Keeping in mind, Obamao has a disdain for the military, proven by his past actions. Including saying he needed his own civilian security force. Yes, it is weakening our military where this divisiveness and alienation occurs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Correct, I never served personally, but you also have to realize the war of tomorrow is not the same as a war of yesterday. If a large war would actually break out tomorrow a lot of the "fighting" will be done by people miles away from the front lines using cutting edge tech(from drones to cyber warfare) supporting the ones in the fox holes. I would much rather have the best person for the job sitting behind the PC doing that, and also in the fox holes, and not just well is he/she straight? If you make laws and rules that make it hard for someone who is not straight to enjoy a quality life that while serving their country then you may lose out on a few good recruits. People fear change, military personal are no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Easy to say when you are sitting down typing on a computer, but wars are not won by someone sitting behind a computer screen, and never will be. It will be the grunt fighting who wins it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Because the gays volunteering to go fight for our country are flaming, fashion crazed, effeminate fairies... If you have to travel a significant amount just so you can get married then that would seem pretty hard to do without any time off. Once gay marriage is legal across the US this will disappear and it won't be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Look at Manning. Hopefully he gets his ass beat every single day of the 35 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Easy to say when you are sitting down typing on a computer, but wars are not won by someone sitting behind a computer screen, and never will be. It will be the grunt fighting who wins it. Heaven forbid if any of those grunts are not heterosexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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