The Cysko Kid Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Obama calls to nearly double the federal tax on cigarettes from $1.01 per pack to $1.95 per pack. Thoughts? On a side note he himself is/was a known smoker. http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/10/news/economy/cigarette-tax/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 They should add a fat tax too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 A Twinkie tax. and a Salami/Gooseliver tax. When does it all end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 They should add a fat tax too. And an ammo tax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 question to the naysayers so what is it about the TEA party you dont understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Taxing bad habits is not a good idea. Ammo is already taxed. If people want to kill themselves with cigs, booze, whatever, it is their right to do so. Free will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunboy Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/22/alcohol-obesity-and-smoking-do-not-cost-health-care-systems-money/ http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199710093371506 Don't be fooled all these taxes are for is to fill quickly draining coffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Yeah, but what are any taxes for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunboy Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Yeah, but what are any taxes for? To cover government expenses. But they like to use punitive sin taxes to try and mold behavior and claim that its for the better of society, and in the point of tobacco they claim its because smokers cost more. well that's not true. I was just pointing out the inevitable "good they cost more" statement is wrong. hell considering the state of social security it might behoove them to send out a carton or two with each SSI check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 To cover government expenses. But they like to use punitive sin taxes to try and mold behavior and claim that its for the better of society, and in the point of tobacco they claim its because smokers cost more. well that's not true. I was just pointing out the inevitable "good they cost more" statement is wrong. hell considering the state of social security it might behoove them to send out a carton or two with each SSI check. They areore likely to incur certain medical expenses but on the whole I think the cigarette stuff is a bit of a witch hunt. I don't smoke BTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunboy Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 They areore likely to incur certain medical expenses but on the whole I think the cigarette stuff is a bit of a witch hunt. I don't smoke BTW The anti smoking lobby was quite successful. Smokers are more likely to incur expenses earlier on, but they die faster and incur less overall. But people almost universally claim that smokers cost more without even questioning it. Same goes for the obese, and drinkers(though they exact a toll on life with DUI's) I am known to have a good La Gloria Cubana or Cohiba from time to time. Politicians see taxing these things as a way of getting "free" taxes, they claim its for your own good and then bend you over, the whole time villainizing you for doing it. It really is pretty clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 To cover government expenses. But they like to use punitive sin taxes to try and mold behavior and claim that its for the better of society, and in the point of tobacco they claim its because smokers cost more. well that's not true. I was just pointing out the inevitable "good they cost more" statement is wrong. hell considering the state of social security it might behoove them to send out a carton or two with each SSI check. lol the new "patriotism" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunboy Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 lol the new "patriotism" ? Didn't you know that it's patriotic to pay taxes for a government that can't reign in it's spending. And mindlessly accepting their barely plausible reasoning on why the taxes are so high in the first place. Don't worry they are doing you a favor by taxing you. /needless sarcasm not directed at anyone in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Taxes on really bad things like cigarettes are better than taxes on really good things, like work and income. But they're also ways to get money when you can't figure out how to get it anywhere else. There's a limit to how much I'd pin everything on smokers, especially when you're using the revenue for unrelated items, like children's education. But there are also significant benefits to reducing smoking. In general, all taxes suck, but we need the revenue, and it's better than raising other taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunboy Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Taxes on really bad things like cigarettes are better than taxes on really good things, like work and income. But they're also ways to get money when you can't figure out how to get it anywhere else. There's a limit to how much I'd pin everything on smokers, especially when you're using the revenue for unrelated items, like children's education. But there are also significant benefits to reducing smoking. In general, all taxes suck, but we need the revenue, and it's better than raising other taxes. problem is we are paying taxes for this http://now.msn.com/susan-muranishi-alameda-county-administrator-will-get-huge-pension-after-retirement and countless others like her. And they have made it clear that they are not like us. they are exempt from being like us and we are to pay for all of it. I could get into a long winded rant about the government but I will just leave it at they don't need more money, they need to work with what they got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Didn't you know that it's patriotic to pay taxes for a government that can't reign in it's spending. And mindlessly accepting their barely plausible reasoning on why the taxes are so high in the first place. Don't worry they are doing you a favor by taxing you. /needless sarcasm not directed at anyone in particular. this place aint no place if we cant have snarky sarcasm! carry on.... that is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I'd be cool with a fat tax There are fucking fat pride groups and fat rights and shit. That's just ridiculous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I'd be cool with a fat tax There are fucking fat pride groups and fat rights and shit. That's just ridiculous... How about an old tax. The tax for lingering on and on with dementia costing more than just about anyone? You can't tax a person for being something whether it be fat or old or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 How about an old tax. The tax for lingering on and on with dementia costing more than just about anyone? You can't tax a person for being something whether it be fat or old or whatever. Except you can't stop yourself from being old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunboy Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Except you can't stop yourself from being old That shouldn't stop us from trying to tax it. Being old offends my sensibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Except you can't stop yourself from being old You can if we make the world 'Logan's run' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Westside Steve Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 How about an old tax. The tax for lingering on and on with dementia costing more than just about anyone? You can't tax a person for being something whether it be fat or old or whatever. Come now, inheritance tax anyone? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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