The Cysko Kid Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 14 wounded. WOUNDED. If you can't see the difference you cannot see anything. http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=national&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57578677/14-wounded-in-texas-college-stabbing-attack/&feed_id=1&videoid=37&catid=57578677 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 14 wounded. WOUNDED. If you can't see the difference you cannot see anything. http://m.cbsnews.com...&catid=57578677 Good lord Cysco, STFU already. You're getting boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Good lord Cysco, STFU already. You're getting boring. You already got there a long time ago chum, so at least I won't be alone. I'll assume you mean you dont want to see one of the dumber pro gun arguments debunked and leave it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 You already got there a long time ago chum, so at least I won't be alone. I'll assume you mean you dont want to see one of the dumber pro gun arguments debunked and leave it there. Assume means make an ass out of you and me Air Farce. And you've done that plenty of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 The difference is obvious. And yet there's nobody who could propose that we do away with the type of gun that this guy could have had almost as easily as he had the knife, so it doesn't really matter. But yes, the difference is lethality should be obvious to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 The difference is obvious. And yet there's nobody who could propose that we do away with the type of gun that this guy could have had almost as easily as he had the knife, so it doesn't really matter. But yes, the difference is lethality should be obvious to everyone. It should be but in every gun control debate without exception the first place they turn is "well you could still kill people with a knife". Sure. You COULD but in reality its not as easy as all that, hence the death total here of zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Do we know a motive or intent? Stabbing victims always heal up good as new physically, and mentally. No emotional issues to deal with either. Knives it is then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Are you so naive that you think guns will just disappear because of some legislature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Are you so naive that you think guns will just disappear because of some legislature? I wish I could make you disappear with legislature, baby bunker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Do we know a motive or intent? Stabbing victims always heal up good as new physically, and mentally. No emotional issues to deal with either. Knives it is then. Not the point is it? Would you rather get your kids therapy to understand why some freak stabbed them? Or put them in the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 but but but, cars kill people too Cysko! Ah ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Not the point is it? Would you rather get your kids therapy to understand why some freak stabbed them? Or put them in the ground? I wasn't necessarily framing my reference as a parent of a victim of either type of attack. There are witnesses etc. that will also be impacted by this. I also don't think this kid fits into your mold of "no way this kid is obtaining a gun illegally" either (like you were doing with Lanza). Articles I've read said the kid confessed to "having fantasies about stabbing people to death since he was younger" I'm looking at the whole picture. The cause and the effect - not just body count. We've spent pages showing that guns rank low in terms of body count when it comes to violent crime according to the FBI stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 ...if someone had a gun they could have shot this sick guy and ended his run after the first couple stabs. If he really wanted to he could have killed many more. Anything can be used as a weapon, what if he had been weilding a samurai sword, if he had the outcome would have been much worse, limbs amputated and heads severed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 ...if someone had a gun they could have shot this sick guy and ended his run after the first couple stabs. If he really wanted to he could have killed many more. Anything can be used as a weapon, what if he had been weilding a samurai sword, if he had the outcome would have been much worse, limbs amputated and heads severed... Samurai sword? Yeah maybe a real one. It's a lit easier to get a fake though, and someone is still able to take you down before you get 26 or 35 it whatever. The level of nihilism is strong. And, legacy or whoever, I didn't claim that this kid couldn't have gotten a gun like Lanza. I'm merely pointing out the different outcomes of a mass attack with a knife vs a mass attack with a gun. You guys are scrambling to defend something I didn't say. Want another example? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248054/China-stabbing-22-children-elderly-woman-stabbed-outside-primary-school-Chinese-knifeman.html 22 poor kids wounded, the same day 20 American parents had theirs murdered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Rover on Rover's morning glory, who by the way is a gun rights guy, is having this arguement right now, and his position is the same as what I said about this. Interesting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 But a citizen with ccw license and his weapon could have shot both knife murderers, and saved all those college students, and young children, and adults from any harm at all. Meanwhile, we were fishing at a local lake with friends, (a bit too early for bluegill and crappies weren't hitting either), and an elderly couple drove up and asked if the fish were biting. Ended up with them saying they loved the outdoors, but in their older age, they were afraid, anymore, of going out when there weren't a lot of people out. He said in his younger days, he knew he'd just battle anybody who might come after them, but he was much older now, and knew that he couldn't stop muggers at all. Well, I ended up mentioning that they could get ccw licenses... and found out they already had them ! But they still didn't want to go out unless they had several people out at the same place with them. I shudder to think how many crimes would be committed, if muggers/murderers knew that every victim would be completely defenseless to their knife or illegally owned gun. There have been many tens of millions of background checks done, during Obamao's reign of leftist garbage alone. And lib political wonks like Cysko find a small number of horrors to blame the right for. While refusing to seriously talk about any solution like Cysko did with my serious questions. And just like I said before - they claim "gee I'm so tired of talking about this", then they wait a few days whatever, and they start it up again with the same emotional screaming on the issue on their terms. You can take every single American legal, responsible gun owner, take all their guns, and put them all in Fema camps under lock and key, and criminals will find guns and continue committing these murder atrocities. The left know that. But at least, they figure they will be happy with the false solution..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 You guys still don't get it at all. All you want to hear is total victory or total defeat. Think somewhere in the middle. If gun deaths could be lowered in the same way dui deaths have been lowered everyone would call that acceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 But the reality is, even if you could flip a switch in history, and all guns on earth would disappear, and were never invented.... one crazed murdered could still murder a bunch of innocent people - he'd just have to do it without using guns. Like some horror movie...locked the doors to a church, and set it on fire with gasoline. whatever that movie I turned off was... Violent murderers will use whatever weapons they can use. To say that harrassing all legal gun owners would at least "limit" the crimes to a little bit less...what sense does that make? It's past time to start thinking of why these things are occuring, and what we can do to keep those murderers from being able to act out in the first place. Bernadine Dorn and the weather underground got their hands on explosives. That was illegal. But they did it anyways. Oklahoma City...made their own bomb. Something's wrong, and it has nothing to do with guns. The attack on guns is solely...? a political attack on a section of our society who enjoy the freedom of our 2nd Amendment. BTW, we are, I believe, the only country on earth WITH a "2nd Amendment". And we lead the world in freedom and democracy. Go figure, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Rover on Rover's morning glory, who by the way is a gun rights guy, is having this arguement right now, and his position is the same as what I said about this. Interesting stuff. Rover appears to be more intelligent than he actually is because he's typically arguing with the Dieter and Douchey. Those two are the biggest idiots in radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 But the reality is, even if you could flip a switch in history, and all guns on earth would disappear, and were never invented.... one crazed murdered could still murder a bunch of innocent people - he'd just have to do it without using guns. Like some horror movie...locked the doors to a church, and set it on fire with gasoline. whatever that movie I turned off was... Violent murderers will use whatever weapons they can use. To say that harrassing all legal gun owners would at least "limit" the crimes to a little bit less...what sense does that make? It's past time to start thinking of why these things are occuring, and what we can do to keep those murderers from being able to act out in the first place. Bernadine Dorn and the weather underground got their hands on explosives. That was illegal. But they did it anyways. Oklahoma City...made their own bomb. Something's wrong, and it has nothing to do with guns. The attack on guns is solely...? a political attack on a section of our society who enjoy the freedom of our 2nd Amendment. BTW, we are, I believe, the only country on earth WITH a "2nd Amendment". And we lead the world in freedom and democracy. Go figure, eh? See my above post as a response to this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Rover appears to be more intelligent than he actually is because he's typically arguing with the Dieter and Douchey. Those two are the biggest idiots in radio. I just found it to he interesting, I'm not speaking on what you percieve to be his intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Yeah, Cal's post after you said "not all or nothing" was literally about all or nothing. Also, Cal, I don't think old people being afraid is the best thing to base policy on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunboy Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Don't worry when the guns are gone you get shit like this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4581871.stm a bunch of maniacs trying to legislate away reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 David Frum, to Cysko's point: A maniac with violent fantasies attacks a Texas college, but with a knife, not a gun. He stabs 14 people. And … nobody was killed. Twelve of the injured people were taken to the hospital and two refused treatment. Of the dozen in the hospital, two are in critical condition and four are in fair condition, according to Harris County Sheriff Adrian Garcia. Happily, the two victims in critical condition have since been upgraded to "good condition." The gun is the difference between a violent maniac and a homicidal maniac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 His intent wasn't to kill, that's all, or he could easily have done it with ease. And it's a lot different in an attack on innocent, helpless children in grade school, and an attack on young adults in college. The college attacker was tackled and stopped by another student. Seems that it shouldn't have to be explained ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 David Frum, to Cysko's point: A maniac with violent fantasies attacks a Texas college, but with a knife, not a gun. He stabs 14 people. And … nobody was killed. Twelve of the injured people were taken to the hospital and two refused treatment. Of the dozen in the hospital, two are in critical condition and four are in fair condition, according to Harris County Sheriff Adrian Garcia. Happily, the two victims in critical condition have since been upgraded to "good condition." The gun is the difference between a violent maniac and a homicidal maniac. We're still doing the body count thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 We're still doing the body count thing? Leg, I've specified I'm only comparing the results of a mass attack with a knife vs a mass attack with a gun as a way to combat the old "but people will still kill people with a knife/brick/pipe whatever" argument, so in this instance the body count is rather important. Like; the whole point. The point is a mass attack with a knife is considerably more likely to wind up with most or all of the victims surviving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Oh come on... Everybody knows that stabbing people is against the law! I can't imagine how this could have possibly happened. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 You guys still don't get it at all. All you want to hear is total victory or total defeat. Think somewhere in the middle. If gun deaths could be lowered in the same way dui deaths have been lowered everyone would call that acceptable YES, but I am not willing to sacrifice my freedoms for the sake of safety and protection. When you begin doing that it is a slippery slope where the government can ban anything "for safety's sake." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 YES, but I am not willing to sacrifice my freedoms for the sake of safety and protection. When you begin doing that it is a slippery slope where the government can ban anything "for safety's sake." Well, baby bunker, many people feel the same way as you but ill bet any change in the status quo and you'd immediately be freaking out about "losing your freedoms" common sense gun control isn't Losing your freedom any more than mandating auto insurance was losing a freedom. I understand how you feel, but I don't agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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