Jax

Yeah, then we have libs, a totally different story lol

What does that have to do with Alabama law they are trying to pass here?

The deep state is the UN??

I haven't won or lost anything that deals with politics, except maybe some spending cash cause you lefties like handing it out to anyone who doesn't earn it.

All people sin, not everyone who is Christian is good. Sorry to break it to you.

Is the UN the deep state?

I love when you pout and cry hahaha

How so? They're both walking on their own, desperate again huh?

uh oh a meme, he's getting pouty

What rights are being taken away? The right of strangers to come in and kill a bunch of embryos that some parents have been trying to create? Why so closed minded? Is killing and destroying protected in the constitution? Is that a God given right? I know it's hard for lefty whack jobs to comprehend empathy or civility, but damn at least try. Hell, who is even pushing what? What are you even trying to say here?? Do you just garble a bunch of words together and spit out maga constantly?

Aww little NEO didn't listen to his buddy about having an open mind. Instead Biden is rubbing off on him and wants to shut down any opinion that doesn't agree with his. Just like a little baby throwing a temper tantrum.

Isn't this the one crying in another thread about discussions? Adding a lot of depth here I see.

He did one hell of a job keeping them out, Biden opened the floodgates. Try to be honest.

Now prove to me it's religion based.

Aren't you witty?

Ok dumbass, if the law says they are. Ask something relevant and intelligent.

See, you're stupid and ignorant

I find it tiring you are just absolutely immature and ignorant on just about every subject we talk about. That's aside from the fact all you like to do is tow the liberal line and bash the right as you follow your white supremacy guideline. Religion is not nonsense and you are nobody to criticize it. Most intelligent people, even if they aren't religious, at least respect others beliefs. However, this decision isn't based off religion, at least not alone from what little time I invested into research. As I surmised, this law was seemingly brought about due to some whack job destroying a bunch of embryos. No different than ripping apart a pregnant womans belly and destroying her growing embryo. This is a complicated matter, too much so for your immaturity and ignorance. It's not a left or right issue, may not even be a religious issue depending on who is freezing their embryos. Of course I don't think we have the full details of this law, such as sometimes embryos are discarded but that decision is based off the patient who owns them. I think they should maintain that right. https://www.jurist.org/features/2024/02/22/explainer-making-sense-of-alabamas-supreme-court-ruling-on-ivf/ LePage v. Mobile Infirmary Clinic, Inc. centered on three couples who underwent fertility treatments and subsequently lost several healthy embryos that had been preserved in their clinic. The court considered whether Alabama’s Wrongful Death of a Minor Act applies to extrauterine embryos. As mentioned above, the LePage plaintiffs include three sets of parents, all of whom conceived via IVF, and all of whom were left with additional embryos that they opted to preserve at the Center for Reproductive Medicine’s fertility clinic for possible future use. In 2020, an individual gained access to the fertility clinic through an unsecured door, removed several embryos from their cryogenic chamber, and then dropped them on the floor, destroying them. The plaintiffs sued the fertility clinic under Alabama’s Wrongful Death of a Minor Act based on their argument that embryos are, for legal purposes, children. Proceedings in a lower trial court resulted in a decision that the Act was inapplicable, reasoning: “The cryopreserved, in vitro embryos involved in this case do not fit within the definition of a ‘person’ or ‘child.'” How did the court rule and why? Alabama’s Supreme Court summarized its ruling in the following terms: The central question … is whether the Act contains an unwritten exception to that rule for extrauterine children — that is, unborn children who are located outside of a biological uterus at the time they are killed. Under existing black-letter law, the answer to that question is no: the Wrongful Death of a Minor Act applies to all unborn children, regardless of their location. This conclusion was based on several findings, including: The Act “applies to all children, without exception.” In addition to reviewing state case law, the court pointed to the 1864 edition of Webster’s dictionary, which was in circulation at the time of the law’s 1872 passage, which defined “child” as “the immediate progeny of parents.” It also argued that “as far back as the 18th century, the unborn were widely recognized as living persons with rights and interests,” citing Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Org., the 2022 US Supreme Court case that overturned Roe v. Wade. There is no legal precedent to “compel the creation of an unwritten exception for extrauterine children.” The defendants, which included the fertility clinic, had argued that there must be congruity between the definition of a person under state criminal and civil law, and that state homicide laws don’t encompass extrauterine embryos as victims, and thus the Act cannot be applied. The court determined that even if this premise were true — “a question we have no occasion to reach” — it would not follow that the responsible party would be immune to civil liability. “The defendants’ public-policy concerns cannot override statutory text.” The defendants had also argued that finding extrauterine embryos were children for purposes of the Act would have negative public policy impacts. The court held that public policy fell into the realm of the legislature, not the judiciary. “It is not the role of this Court to craft a new limitation based on our own view of what is or is not wise public policy,” the decision read. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/confused-about-the-difference-between-frozen-embryos-and-egg-freezing-experts-break-it-down/ar-BB1iNa3F Under what circumstances do patients discard frozen embryos? It’s common in the IVF process to discard frozen embryos if they have genetic abnormalities or are no longer needed by the patient. “Couples who have completed childbearing might wish to discard any remaining embryos they have frozen,” says Stein. “Couples may also decide to discard embryos that have been deemed genetically abnormal by PGT testing,” or preimplantation genetic testing, which screens cells from embryos during the IVF process, including making sure embryos have the correct number of chromosomes before they are implanted in the patient. In some cases, abnormalities can mean “the embryo would likely not result in pregnancy, result in miscarriage or have a severe medical condition not compatible with life,” says Ahmad, so it may be discarded. Under Alabama’s Wrongful Death Act, however, medical providers may be held legally responsible for discarding these embryos, or patients may find themselves having to cover the cost of storing their frozen embryos in perpetuity. “The dust has not settled yet in Alabama regarding the effects of the ruling,” says Stein. “Couples are rightfully concerned that if embryos cannot be destroyed, the couples might be forced to use those embryos, leading to larger families than they had hoped for, or the couples would be forced to continue paying for storage indefinitely. Physicians and embryologists are concerned that any loss of embryos that occurs during the manipulation and transport of the embryos could lead to a wrongful death charge.” The biggest impact right now, says Stein, is that “care for many in Alabama has been suspended due to clinics pausing care while the situation develops and until they can understand the ramifications.” It kills me to think you are trying to make fun of conservatives for being torn for whatever reason you claim, as if being liberal you guys just do whatever you feel is common sense for yourself and hell with any moral ramifications. It also kills me your limited thinking process makes everything about left or right, which in actuality may be a result of the great divide going on in this country today. None the less, you don't have to be naive and fall for everything and in so doing truly fail in using your own common sense.

Dumbass cult

This shouldn't surprise anyone here, damn Biden sniffers.

I wonder how much Biden got paid for this one?