osusev Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Wisconsin Beats 15 ranked ACC Miami Penn State Beats 12 Ranked SEC LSU Ohio State Beats 7 ranked PAC 10 Oregan (too fast for a big ten team to beat of course) Unranked Northwester BARELY in overtime loses to SEC Auburn........ The Big ten is weaker how? ROSE BOWL CHAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Do you think they are better than the SEC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Do you think they are better than the SEC? Yes. Big 10 teams aren't flashy, and are willing to travel. They play in crappy weather. The SEC is indeed tough, but when you never go north of Kentucky or west of Arkansas to play a game, you are strictly a regional team, and usually play in pristine conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted January 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Actually i think we are on par with the SEC.... Ohio State has haad a horrible record in the last 10 years against the SEC on big time stages. If you go back 10 years the big ten vs the SEC are in a virtual tie head to head in bowl games. The BCS popular opinion poll system is based upon nothing but opinion, the head to head division versus divsion stats are facts not opinions. Just because ONE team seems to make a nose dive on big stages means nothing.... I like how Ohio state detractors dont bring up last years game versus Texas when they barely won.... or the fact that head to head versus Texas in the last 5 years we are tied in the regular season.... The SAME TEXAS playing in the National Championship this year... the same Texas that should have played in it last year..... Yes we were destroyed by Florida... We imploded in the LSU game However THESE ARE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP PROGRAMS..... The regular season loss to Texas was in the same year they barely beat us that they went on to beat USC in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game.... Funny we lose to national championship quality programs and thats a problem, yes last year we lost to USC badly... geez thats horrible we lost to a major powerhouse that we should have beat this year.... I think we just beat Oregan that DESTROYED USC this year........ Gee it must suck for us to play the best programs year in year out........ EVERY year.... SO YES I do think that overall our division is as good as any other INCLUDING thie SEC... Bowl games head to head division vs division over the last ten years does not lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Yes. Big 10 teams aren't flashy, and are willing to travel. They play in crappy weather. The SEC is indeed tough, but when you never go north of Kentucky or west of Arkansas to play a game, you are strictly a regional team, and usually play in pristine conditions. Look at this both of you: BCS national championship games In 2006, Florida-41 Ohio state-14 In 2007, LSU-38 Ohio State-24 In 2008, Florida-24 Oklahoma-14 In 2009, Alabama-? Texas? Sure Ohio state has gotten to the "big game" but they haven't been able to win it. SEC has won it the last 3 straight years going for 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted January 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Look at this both of you: BCS national championship games In 2006, Florida-41 Ohio state-14 In 2007, LSU-38 Ohio State-24 In 2008, Florida-24 Oklahoma-14 In 2009, Alabama-? Texas? Sure Ohio state has gotten to the "big game" but they haven't been able to win it. SEC has won it the last 3 straight years going for 4. The first problem with your comparison sample is the time frame and also the teams.... the second is you are equating BCS championships as some sort of division strength metric...... The BCS national championship game on who gets to play in it is a joke. Two comparing THE ENTIRE DIVISION not singular instances requres a much larger total sample which you can measure in head to head division bowl games versus each other...... Seriously you think because the SEC by popular opinion voting in ONE bowl game over the last 3 years has won it suddenly defines their entire Division.... To be completely fair in 2007 (which was a rebuilding year for us) we were a top 10 team not top 3.... and we could have won that game. In 2006 we were OUTCOACHED..... it happens. Really your position is so narrow and small in sample it really does not hold much water when you are talking about entire division strengths. POPULAR opinion said we were going to get blown out tonight..... how did that work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Look at this both of you: BCS national championship games In 2006, Florida-41 Ohio state-14 In 2007, LSU-38 Ohio State-24 In 2008, Florida-24 Oklahoma-14 In 2009, Alabama-? Texas? Sure Ohio state has gotten to the "big game" but they haven't been able to win it. SEC has won it the last 3 straight years going for 4. Texas shouldn't be in it anyhow this year, they put time back on the clock for them in their Big 12 Championship game (just like USSR vs USA in 1972 Olympics). 2002...OSU ends Miami's 34 game winning streak, wins BCS National title, just in case you forgot. 2006- yes OSU lays an egg vs. Florida, a horrible performance after a great regular season 2007- another bad loss by OSU, but I say we weren't supposed to be there anyhow, we got there because evrybody else lost...doesn't diminish a lost opportunity, I know Mark May & ESPN have basically rammed their opinions of OSU & the Big 10 down everybody's throat for quite some time now, and people are starting to believe him/them. The Big 10 almost swept today, too bad Northwestern's kicker had a bad day. Look at it this way- who has been the most consistent contestant in BCS games since all this started? THE OSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playerjdd Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 It is hard to compare all the divisions. Any given day you will win or lose in any of them. I will admit that lately the SEC has had some great teams. But the big ten is not the MAC remember that. The Big Ten has some stiff competion and just like every Bowl Division they have their up years and down years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 As I have said many times...it isn't the top of the Big Ten that lacks....it is the bottom. You judge a league by how weak they are at the bottom v how strong they are at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbackbrownie2 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 The whole BCS system is flawed. But even if you get passed that and look at each BCS bowl games, you see that the Big Ten almost always has to play an away game, while their opponent has a home game. USC in the rose bowl is a home game for them. No wonder they win it virtually every year(Note: ohio state wins it this year over oregon as both teams play at a neutral location). How about we move that game to Ohio or Illinois and see how that turns out? Another example was a couple years back when Ohio state went to Louisiana to play for a championship against who? LSU... go figure.. Until the BCS games are played on a NEUTRAL field, the big ten will always be at a disadvantage.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 You can convince me that the Big ten is on the same level as the SEC...but you will NEVER convince me that they are better at least this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Does Kentucky even have a football program anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Does Kentucky even have a football program anymore? Yes, and I know that was sarcastic and a rhetorical question. But we are talking about the SEC and Big 10 in whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Dick Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 That Penn State game was a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUBBY Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 the big ten has improved somewhat. But who in the big ten could beat Alabama or Florida? Penn State didn't beat a ranked team all year until today. Ohio State played well but they are lucky it wasn't USC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 They're lucky it wasn't USC? You mean the same USC team that Oregon scored 50+ points on. The same Oregon team that Ohio State held to 17 points tonight? Ohio State just beat up on the best team in the pac ten..holding them to half their normal scoring average. Tremdous game by the OSU defense and a great game by Pryor leading the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUBBY Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 the same USC team that beat OSU this year.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 So what...that was a long time ago. USC lost 3 times in conference and lost their chance for the rose bowl when they gave up like 500 points to Stanford and Oregon. So I guess in your pea brain...USC is the rose bowl champ because they beat OSU early in the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefjerky Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I am saying the big ten is not that good. USC, Stanford would have hammered them.. Penn State is not that good either. It is a marginal weak conference. Boise or TCU would hammer either of them you seriously have no life but to troll, I wasn't home yesterday because I was at a new years party, but then today I woke up, and I check the board, and I see that you post a thread saying "it's 2010 and browns still have no championships", good to know that you have nothing to do in your life but to to troll a Cleveland Browns board on new years, moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I am saying the big ten is not that good. USC, Stanford would have hammered them.. Penn State is not that good either. It is a marginal weak conference. Boise or TCU would hammer either of them USC had the chance to "hammer them" as you put it...and scored a last minute TD to win the game. The difference between the two teams is that OSU got better as the season went on and USC got worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUBBY Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Ohio State squeezed past Navy, lost to USC, lost to Purdue, took ovetime to beat Iowa. not that good but hey the Bucks won and I will give them credit. I rooted for them today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 wins are wins chachi....who cares if they "squeezed past" anyone. You said USC would "hammer" OSU...but when they had the chance to do that, they barely won the game. OSU got better from that point on in the season and USC got worse, losing 4 games in conference play, several times getting the crap beat out of them in embarrassing fashion. Ohio State just beat the best team in the pac 10....deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Ohio State squeezed past Navy, lost to USC, lost to Purdue, took ovetime to beat Iowa. not that good but hey the Bucks won and I will give them credit. I rooted for them today! It's like she's 11 years old. The reasoning is mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I think it's the same reasoning that had Montana or Idaho as the national champs a few years back because it could be figured out that someone beat someone and they beat someone else who beat someone else and on and on until the only team who hadn't lost to someone was Idaho or Montana or some other such nonsense school. I understand that OSU lost to USC early..but Ohio State went on to have a very good season after that. USC lost FOUR times after that game and only Oregon is playing in a BCS game. Ohio State played a shitty game and lost to Purdue but went on to beat Iowa (who is playing in a BCS game). How many pac 10 teams are playing BCS games this year?? And USC lost how many conference games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dencyguy Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I, for one, feel good for the Big Ten fans. Usually they have to rush to get these posts out before bowl season starts; this year it actually holds true after the first Saturday of the bowl season. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 What is Mark May going to say now? He's still bitter about Ohio State, Michigan, & Notre Dame not recruiting him. Great day for the Big 10, but it's going to take a few more season's like this for the idiots at ESPN to acknowledge us as a great conference again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 to go along with commentators, did anyone else but me hear much brett mussberger or however you spell his last name was on Oregon's knob all night? Literally they'd tackle Terrelle Pryor and he'd act like they just won the game. On the flip side, when TP would make a good play he'd find a way to belittle it. Mark May has to be the worst, followed by Lee Corso and Mussbereger ANYWAY, it is refreshing to see the big ten turn it around. I hope Iowa can pull through and show the strength we have. As much as I hate to say it though, we still aren't above the SEC. Next year will be a good measuring stick however. I said it earlier on here, it only takes a couple years for a conference to go from all powerful to mediocre. Remember the ACC in the early 2000's? Now it's a complete joke, for the most part. As my random side note, the biggest news of college football this year is going to be the mass introduction of the triple option to most people's offensive gameplans. Mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffer X Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Buckeye Hater Nation is out hot and heavy on my Facebook page and it is hilarious. I think the SEC took a step back this year overall but are still slightly better than the Big Ten. Michigan sucking is good and bad. I mean, it is beautiful to see those jackasses blow but at the same time they bring down the rest of the conference. Meyer just put a blip on recruiting for the Gators and is trying to save face for the program. The Big Ten is still right among the top in recruiting across the board, so I see things evening out as soon as next year. Kudos to the Buckeyes getting it done, although Jimmy T has got to give up the play calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownB499 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 to go along with commentators, did anyone else but me hear much brett mussberger or however you spell his last name was on Oregon's knob all night? Literally they'd tackle Terrelle Pryor and he'd act like they just won the game. On the flip side, when TP would make a good play he'd find a way to belittle it. I thought just the opposite, Mussberger came right out trying to anoint Pryor the next Vince Young One freaking series ,and suddenly we are all witness Believe me, I'm thrilled the kid had a great game...but thank god for Locker and Ingrem or we'd be force fed 9 months of "PRIESMAN" hype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Joe Pa is awesome. Everyone was ready to escort him to the old folks home five years ago, yet there he is beating Les Miles and his SEC Tigers. Bobby bows out ... and Joe is now the unquestioned King of the Hill for All-Time. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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