browns52 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just now, hx214 said: No, I'm talking about arm talent. It was like watching a 3rd string guy throw. (Kinda like what Case looked like on those three throws he just had) baker sucks.....arm...accuracy...yuu name it....and obj...yeah, he's awesome ain't he.....get rid of him before he is seriously injured.....please get rid of him so maybe we can still get something for him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, hx214 said: No, I'm talking about arm talent. It was like watching a 3rd string guy throw. (Kinda like what Case looked like on those three throws he just had) Arm talent, the ability to rifle a ball, is irrelevant to my question. Results are, playstyle is... and the question is valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just now, hx214 said: Murray wasn't impressive at all today. All week long we had to hear about how great he was. If our DB's could figure out they have to cover someone it would be nice. The throw to AJ Green over the shoulder was about the only NFL throw he had to make today. The rest he sailed 15 rows into the stands. he's still better than what we have.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just now, browns52 said: baker sucks.....arm...accuracy...yuu name it....and obj...yeah, he's awesome ain't he.....get rid of him before he is seriously injured.....please get rid of him so maybe we can still get something for him.... You can't. Nobody wants that contract and he's 15 mil vs the cap. Buckle up. He's here for the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 23 minutes ago, jrb12711 said: If there’s a silver lining it sounds like Chubb was close. eh, me thinks kareem is done as the season is in a downward spiral.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: Let’s start talking about Aaron Rodgers to Cleveland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, hx214 said: Murray wasn't impressive at all today. All week long we had to hear about how great he was. If our DB's could figure out they have to cover someone it would be nice. The throw to AJ Green over the shoulder was about the only NFL throw he had to make today. The rest he sailed 15 rows into the stands. He didn't have to be impressive. He made plays with his legs when they were there and distributed the ball to the open man. He didn't have to be impressive on a day where the opposing offense implodes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Arm talent, the ability to rifle a ball, is irrelevant to my question. Results are, playstyle is... and the question is valid. Ya. Go watch the replay of that Lions game today and let me know what ya think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 51 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: He is holding it for a very long time so now what......look for another qb in the draft......again.....groundhog day....every yr... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: Can we name all the starting QBs that he’s head and shoulders better than? The answer IMO changes too much The setup we have here with the line, the backs, the WRs. We don’t need a volatile wildcard I guess what I'm trying to say is, does anyone feel Baker is franchise? Because his level of play is about Goff in LA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 the Injuries stink this year. DB injuries cost us last week. The tackle spot hurt us today. We are missing a QB. The one we have is too wildly inconsistent to put together three good games in January. I don’t think he processes well quick enough I don’t see him winning a Super Bowl- and I know we were 0-16 but have we elevated the goal here? Russell and Rodgers need to be the priority this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: He didn't have to be impressive. He made plays with his legs when they were there and distributed the ball to the open man. He didn't have to be impressive on a day where the opposing offense implodes. No, because the defense sucks. Rewind the pressure plays. Dude paincs, and chucks it up everytime. Dude funbled the ball like 4 times .. (how the hell can't we get one of those) He can be better than our QB. But we had to hear how great he was all week and that wasn't QB one in the NFL. Should ate his lunch today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: I guess what I'm trying to say is, does anyone feel Baker is franchise? Because his level of play is about Goff in LA. I think the Browns can win a lot of games with Baker. I also think the Browns won't win many games because of Baker. I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall in the upcoming months in the Browns front office when Berry and Co. discuss Baker and his upcoming free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, browns52 said: so now what......look for another qb in the draft......again.....groundhog day....every yr... Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: He didn't have to be impressive. He made plays with his legs when they were there and distributed the ball to the open man. He didn't have to be impressive on a day where the opposing offense implodes. Kind of what our offense needs. And We don’t need a whole lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just now, hx214 said: Ya. Go watch the replay of that Lions game today and let me know what ya think. Goff. While. In. L.A. Is there something not getting through to you here?! Baker 2020 62.8 3563 26 5.3 8 Goff 2017 62.1 3804 28 5.9 7 I know, sucks to have to admit this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 27 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Watching the game with a former teammate of mine and he asked a question that is sticking with me... Is Baker head and shoulders better than Goff was in LA? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, browns52 said: eh, me thinks kareem is done as the season is in a downward spiral.... Man I hope not. I missed the replay, was it a hamstring or ankle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, browns52 said: we got smacked around by mr whipple....hahahahahahaaaaa...can you believe it....mr fucking whipple whooped our ass...and baker sucks...by the way.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 No qbs next years draft...stick with baker and heal up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just now, hx214 said: Man I hope not. I missed the replay, was it a hamstring or ankle? They said calf…he’s a tough dude. It is a shame. I hope it is not an Achilles tear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, hx214 said: Man I hope not. I missed the replay, was it a hamstring or ankle? News said non contact calf injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Goff. While. In. L.A. Is there something not getting through to you here?! Baker 2020 62.8 3563 26 5.3 8 Goff 2017 62.1 3804 28 5.9 7 I know, sucks to have to admit this. I think your mistaking me for some Baker Mayfield fanboy. I could give a shit about numbers in two different offenses. They wanna trade Baker for someone and move on. Cool. Watch the two guys play. It's not even close. Goff isn't even a backup QB in this league once his contract runs out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FALCON7 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 14 points counting a hail f'n mary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kvoethe said: News said non contact calf injury Shit. Was that even what he was questionable with? I thought it was a hamstring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, hx214 said: I think your mistaking me for some Baker Mayfield fanboy. I could give a shit about numbers in two different offenses. They wanna trade Baker for someone and move on. Cool. Watch the two guys play. It's not even close. Goff isn't even a backup QB in this league once his contract runs out. Offenses with similar structures and language. Offenses that had/have talent which elevated their QB play. Offenses where the QB couldn't elevate the game of the players around them. Goff in LA and in DET. Which is how we know his time in L.A. was because of said surrounded talent. However the Rams made the mistake of paying Goff because of their lack of proper evaluation and the tendency to pay for even remotely decent QB play in a QB starved game. A mistake the Rams had to mortgage a lot of capital in order to get out from under said Goff contract. Here the Browns are, on the cusp of making a similar decision that the Rams did. So I'll ask again for anyone able to give a counter worth reading.... Baker head and shoulders above where Goff was L.A. ? Enough to pay 25+ mil a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, hx214 said: Man I hope not. I missed the replay, was it a hamstring or ankle? They said calf…he’s a tough dude. It is a shame. I hope it is not an Achilles tear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Offenses with similar structures and language. Offenses that had/have talent which elevated their QB play. Offenses where the QB couldn't elevate the game of the players around them. Goff in LA and in DET. Which is how we know his time in L.A. was because of said surrounded talent. However the Rams made the mistake of paying Goff because of their lack of proper evaluation and the tendency to pay for even remotely decent QB play in a QB starved game. A mistake the Rams had to mortgage a lot of capital in order to get out from under said Goff contract. Here the Browns are, on the cusp of making a similar decision that the Rams did. So I'll ask again for anyone able to give a counter worth reading.... Baker head and shoulders above where Goff was L.A. ? Enough to pay 25+ mil a year? I think Baker can be a winning starting QB for a longer stretch than Goff. I also think, like Goff, that Baker needs a decent amount of help to be productive, and is somewhat limited. I think your comparison is fair, even if I think Baker is better than Goff long-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: I think Baker can be a winning starting QB for a longer stretch than Goff. I also think, like Goff, that Baker needs a decent amount of help to be productive, and is somewhat limited. I think your comparison is fair, even if I think Baker is better than Goff long-term. Honest response. Do you pay that QB 25+ a year though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, tiamat63 said: Honest response. Do you pay that QB 25+ a year though? That is a great fucking question. I think he can be in the top half of starting QBs, for the rest of the decade. Somewhere in the 10-16 range. I wonder, in this scheme, if the Browns will start to wonder if they can find someone who can produce at a similar pace, but won't cost what Baker will cost very soon. I honestly could see this scenario happening, where the Browns target someone they think fits this offense, and they let Baker go if he doesn't take a team-friendly contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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