SdBacker80 Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 2 yr. 31M / 23M guaranteed. That’s a little rich. Good luck JJ. Looks like he still wanted to make some money. Next....What’s plan B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runyon27 Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Barry said: Glad to see he is chasing the ring. With the 49ers, Rams and Seahawks in their division the Cardinals won't smell playoffs. Yeah I do not understand this move one bit. This isn't playing for a contender, this is a money grab. But if its just a money grab, then why leave Houston. Yeah the Cardinals are a better team, but they aren't smelling an NFC Championship let alone a SB anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Barry said: Glad to see he is chasing the ring. With the 49ers, Rams and Seahawks in their division the Cardinals won't smell playoffs. I don’t see that is chasing a ring I see it is chasing the money 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 minute ago, The Gipper said: I don’t see that is chasing a ring I see it is chasing the money I sensed a little sarcasm in the post you responded to- the Cards at their very best appear to be a first playoff exit type of team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 Cards have their QB and a first-ballot HOF-level WR.. whether they have the right OL, defense and coaches in place to make a run of any sort is a different thread altogether. Now we can close this thread and move to the business of actual championship contenders => signing free agents with good value to affordable contracts so that the backups can perform when called upon to keep next year's run on the tracks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 Watt took the place that at least had a blueprint for success and offered him the most money. Murray somewhat quietly showed regression in a lot of areas last year, so we shall see. I hope everyone here realizes that $23 million guaranteed for a 32 year old DE who objectively has shown decline in health and stats was not it for this club. We have way too many young guys to pay for that short term cap struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 3 hours ago, The Gipper said: I don’t see that is chasing a ring I see it is chasing the money That's what I was implying. Maybe my posting is off still from looking at Hilton all night. And no, I don't mean Mike. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Bob806 said: JJ Watt just signed with the Cardinals, 2 years @$31 million. Glad that's over. More $$$ than I thought and to play with a team I never thought about... Just like Grossi and MKC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, jrb12711 said: Murray somewhat quietly showed regression in a lot of areas last year, My impression as well, but hos statline doesn't support this view... What we, or at least I, also forget is AZ improved its record last season... from 5-10-1 to 8-8. Plus their rankings, Offensively and Defensively, were up across the board. Is JJ still a player that can put them over the top? Dunno... but AZ's FO seems to think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 6 hours ago, Bob806 said: JJ Watt just signed with the Cardinals, 2 years @$31 million. Glad that's over. i am sure we will never find out (or hey maybe a leak) what we offered But that money seems a bit rich for a ageing player I wonder what the odds are for how many games watt will play ? i am guessins less than 12 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, ATOM said: i am sure we will never find out (or hey maybe a leak) what we offered But that money seems a bit rich for a ageing player I wonder what the odds are for how many games watt will play ? i am guessins less than 12 He would be a nice get as a rotational player but agreed... Not at that price... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 13 hours ago, Tour2ma said: My impression as well, but hos statline doesn't support this view... What we, or at least I, also forget is AZ improved its record last season... from 5-10-1 to 8-8. Plus their rankings, Offensively and Defensively, were up across the board. Is JJ still a player that can put them over the top? Dunno... but AZ's FO seems to think so. I can't speak for defense, but you definitely may be right there. The thing about Kyler, though, is that the stats are padded a good bit from first half of season to 2nd half of season. This article speaks to it well: https://apnews.com/article/nfl-seattle-seahawks-new-england-patriots-football-arizona-cardinals-c70809423b944b6773a21c41f05081cc. I'm not suggesting he isn't on the upswing, but I'm going to be really interested to see how he looks this year. There's a lot of evidence to suggest teams started figuring him out a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 11 hours ago, nickers said: He would be a nice get as a rotational player but agreed... Not at that price... I look at JJ Watt as kind of a Charles Haley, Bruce Smith, or Harvey Martin....DEs who were so physically gifted they had long careers and production. We will see how it goes in Arizona. Saying that I'm glad the Browns didn't pay him that money. The Browns have some tough choices coming up on players they drafted, spend wisely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 OL PFF unit final rankings after the regular season -- Bucs at #5, Cards made a massive jump this past season to finish at 12; their OL for many years has been one of the worst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 I was kinda' hoping we'd get him. Just because we've got no real replacement for Vernon. But, the numbers have to line up. I guess you just can't have a Fearsome Foursome...or Purple People Eaters anymore. They cost too many NFL credits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Orion said: I was kinda' hoping we'd get him. Just because we've got no real replacement for Vernon. But, the numbers have to line up. Many 'fantasy' Watt to browns offers are beginning to brew.. My only thought was that Berry could only offer Watt a 1 year deal ... Watts guaranteed 23M for 2yrs. was 2 Million more than what Garrett's re-signing bonus was for 💵 🧐. Looks like more Berry, 1 year prove it deals coming? Baker/Ward/Chubb/Teller, all sitting 1 season away.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, gumby73 said: Baker/Ward/Chubb/Teller, all sitting 1 season away.. I've gotta say this, our defense is a much better defense with Ward on the field. I've said before, I know he gets hurt. But he gets better. He's one of the core guys that are a main reason that we now win games. Baker, Chubb, Ward, Myles, Landry, Hunt....add to that the whole OL, Hooper and OBJ (yes, OBJ). We kinda' NEED those guys! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Orion said: I've gotta say this, our defense is a much better defense with Ward on the field. I've said before, I know he gets hurt. But he gets better. He's one of the core guys that are a main reason that we now win games. Baker, Chubb, Ward, Myles, Landry, Hunt....add to that the whole OL, Hooper and OBJ (yes, OBJ). We kinda' NEED those guys! The Problem with Ward - how are you paying Baker $$$$ and you have Myles on the Books for $$$$$ and afford anything else? Some folks on here think we will not have to pay top 5 type corner money on him. I disagree. He’s gonna get paid in an open market. If I had it my way I’d beef up the pass rush opposite of Myles and make the pocket unbearable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 Speculations at there finest before 2022..but that's all we hear anymore anywho.. Your lowest Franchise tag baller is RB- Nick Chubb. 10M.. Once!.... A pair of 5th year options on Ward & Baker (thanks Goff & Wentz)..and If I haven't broke Unsympathetic cap calculator yet? New TV revenue deal's adds to teams cap.. Cap should only go up in 22 from 2021? Richardson's contract should come off the books..And OBJ needs to out produce Landry ... see ya than...it's finally good to have all of these problems 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 13 hours ago, Orion said: I was kinda' hoping we'd get him. Just because we've got no real replacement for Vernon. But, the numbers have to line up. I guess you just can't have a Fearsome Foursome...or Purple People Eaters anymore. They cost too many NFL credits. Still doable... SF is an example of that. But you have to "invest" draft capital and then decide who you are going to keep long term. Draft.... rinse... repeat... The beauty is that those you let walk bring Compensatory picks your way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 10 hours ago, gumby73 said: New TV revenue deal's adds to teams cap.. Cap should only go up in 22 from 2021? This.... 2021's shrinking cap is going to be an anomaly. I would not be surprised if its jump from '21 to '22 is huge... coming close to rising as if '21 was a year with a normal increase. This would put the 2022 Cap somewhere in the high $2-teen-millions. Data from: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1011083/nfl-salary-cap/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Still doable... SF is an example of that. But you have to "invest" draft capital and then decide who you are going to keep long term. Draft.... rinse... repeat... The beauty is that those you let walk bring Compensatory picks your way. You could argue our most important players are the draft picks we pick in the next two-three years. We need to draft productive talent and have them on rookie deals. Our Cap will be Myles+Baker+Discounts+ring chasers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunz41 Posted March 4, 2021 Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 11 hours ago, Tour2ma said: This.... 2021's shrinking cap is going to be an anomaly. I would not be surprised if its jump from '21 to '22 is huge... coming close to rising as if '21 was a year with a normal increase. This would put the 2022 Cap somewhere in the high $2-teen-millions. Data from: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1011083/nfl-salary-cap/ From my understanding (I know others on here know it better than I) is that the cap the next couple years will be altered by whatever the cap ends up at this year to offset the lower revenue from last year. Just picking numbers out of the sky, but say the cap is 180 this year, and should be 220 next year. If the revenue/offset from last year was at 160, then over the course of next couple years they will make up that 20 million. So instead of the 220 next year and year after, they would be 210. Just what I read or saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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