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Besides Todd I don't much care but this list prize me so there is some bonus points for Carole King.

Just an aside probably because I'm an old guy I had no idea what Rage Against the Machine sounded like. I look them up at listen to a few songs. Again most likely due to age I thought it was a load of shit.

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I am in for the "Old Ladies"    Carol King, Tina Turner, Dionne Warwick....because of familiarity.   Though....correct me if I am wrong,  isn't Carol King already in for her songwriting?   And isn't Tina already in as part of Ike and Tina Turner?

Todd Rundgren, yes, of course for me.   He is the closest we have this year to a "progressive rock"  act....which is a genre they continually ignore (no Jethro Tull, no Procul Harum...and others even considered)

I am no Rap person,  but I certainly understand the magnitude that JayZ  and LL Cool J  stand in that genre.

Some of the rest I just don't know much about...have not kept up with. Though it seems like the Foo Fighters is a band I SHOULD like, but don't know much about.  Mainly because I like their name. 

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Jay-Z, Foo Fighters, Tina Turner and Iron Maiden lead this year’s historic list of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees. Rolling Stone was the first to reveal the class Wednesday morning.

(my note:  I am not so sure these acts  "lead" this class...they are just part of it)

The Class of 2021 will be inducted during a ceremony held in Cleveland at a yet-to-be-determined date and venue this fall. Joining the aforementioned acts on the ballot are Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, Devo, The Go-Go’s, Chaka Khan, Carole King, Fela Kuti, LL Cool J, New York Dolls, Rage Against the Machine, Todd Rundgren and Dionne Warwick.

(never have even heard of "Fela Kuti"...who the hell is that?)

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Why is it called the Rock and Roll hall of fame. If Mary J Blige is eligible?

She is nowhere near rock and roll

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1 hour ago, Browns149 said:

Why is it called the Rock and Roll hall of fame. If Mary J Blige is eligible?

She is nowhere near rock and roll

The whole thing is a farce unfortunately.

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50 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

The whole thing is a farce unfortunately.

WSS

It should be named “The music Hall of Fame”

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12 hours ago, Browns149 said:

Why is it called the Rock and Roll hall of fame. If Mary J Blige is eligible?

She is nowhere near rock and roll

I am really not familiar with her music.  What would you call it?   Soul, rap, pop, boogie woogie, show music? 

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33 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

I am really not familiar with her music.  What would you call it?   Soul, rap, pop, boogie woogie, show music? 

It’s more soul or hip hop. It’s not rock and roll

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10 hours ago, Browns149 said:

It should be named “The music Hall of Fame”

 Not even music unless Beethoven Chopin Ralph Von Williams and Mozart are in.  Just a group of petty,  Politically correct self important assholes. (Not the artists)

WSS 

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2 minutes ago, Browns149 said:

It’s more soul or hip hop. It’s not rock and roll

 Frankly nothing has really been rock and roll since bill Haley and the comets.

WSS 

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2 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

 Frankly nothing has really been rock and roll since bill Haley and the comets.

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Rock and roll's been going downhill ever since Buddy Holly died. – MOVIE  QUOTES

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Iron Maiden is likely destined for the Hall at some point. They’re arguably the most iconic metal band ever. Tina Turner probably. Carole King yeah. 

My possibly controversial pick would be Devo. Mostly known as a one hit wonder, but they put out some fine albums that were innovative and technical. Mothersbaugh has had a helluva career afterwards writing scores for tv shows and movies. Plus, they started in Ohio.

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43 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said:

Iron Maiden is likely destined for the Hall at some point. They’re arguably the most iconic metal band ever. Tina Turner probably. Carole King yeah. 

My possibly controversial pick would be Devo. Mostly known as a one hit wonder, but they put out some fine albums that were innovative and technical. Mothersbaugh has had a helluva career afterwards writing scores for tv shows and movies. Plus, they started in Ohio.

Devo is from Akron.  They had always been considered Avant Garde,  more or less the progenitors of certain Punk,  New Wave and Alternative styles of rock.  Ergo, though you may call them a "one hit wonder"....their influence has gone far beyond that nomenclature as it applies to those particular genres. .  If the Rock Hall  is to include "influencers",  then Devo is a fair candidate for inclusion. 

Not being a heavy metal guy....is Iron Maiden the most iconic band ever of  heavy metal/death metal?  One of, maybe? ,  Do they surpass the likes of Black Sabbath or Metallica, and......I don't know, Led Zeppelin, if you wish to include LZ in that grouping.   Just asking as clearly you seem to be far more of a devotee of the style than I. 

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This is more evidence that Jan Wenner has dropped the ball big time with the selection committee... I'm not so sure this is Ahmet Ertegun had intended... Although to Erteguns credit... He was instrumental in Ray Charles success as an artist.. I guess "What I say" can be considered "Rock and Roll" But also has R&B roots as well...

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8 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Devo is from Akron.  They had always been considered Avant Garde,  more or less the progenitors of certain Punk,  New Wave and Alternative styles of rock.  Ergo, though you may call them a "one hit wonder"....their influence has gone far beyond that nomenclature as it applies to those particular genres. .  If the Rock Hall  is to include "influencers",  then Devo is a fair candidate for inclusion. 

Not being a heavy metal guy....is Iron Maiden the most iconic band ever of  heavy metal/death metal?  One of, maybe? ,  Do they surpass the likes of Black Sabbath or Metallica, and......I don't know, Led Zeppelin, if you wish to include LZ in that grouping.   Just asking as clearly you seem to be far more of a devotee of the style than I. 

I agree with you on Devo.

I’m not a huge heavy metal guy, but l have a few songs and bands l like amongst the genre. Sabbath is probably the other band that could be in the running for the most iconic label. Metalica is probably the most famous. Zeppelin l would label more hard rock, but not metal.

Death Metal is it’s own sub genre, probably the most iconic being Slayer. But maybe Maiden is considered death metal? Not totally sure on that. 

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Just an FYI I Devo did start out as a cover band but they weren't very good and didn't get many gigs. I will look this up to make sure I am not mistaken but I think there is some sort of a wink wink relationship between motherbaugh and Brian Eno  from whence came the clown suits and the novelty song which became a hit.

 But mark mothersbaugh is certainly an accomplished musician.

WSS

[Edit]  Nothing specific on the Web

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1 hour ago, Ibleedbrown said:

I agree with you on Devo.

I’m not a huge heavy metal guy, but l have a few songs and bands l like amongst the genre. Sabbath is probably the other band that could be in the running for the most iconic label. Metalica is probably the most famous. Zeppelin l would label more hard rock, but not metal.

Death Metal is it’s own sub genre, probably the most iconic being Slayer. But maybe Maiden is considered death metal? Not totally sure on that. 

Fair enough. 

I could never tell, back in the early 70s, if something was considered "heavy metal"  (probably still cannot).     I had even at one point thought of Alice Cooper,  ZZ Top and Foghat as "heavy metal".  Don't necessarily think  they fit there now.

By the way....what is "heavy metal" if it is not "hard rock"? 

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1 minute ago, The Gipper said:

Fair enough. 

I could never tell, back in the early 70s, if something was considered "heavy metal"  (probably still cannot).     I had even at one point thought of Alice Cooper,  ZZ Top and Foghat as "heavy metal".  Don't necessarily think  they fit there now.

By the way....what is "heavy metal" if it is not "hard rock"? 

It’s probably a fuzzy a line with different people having different definitions on such things. At one point Jethro Tull won a grammy for best heavy metal album of the year.

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22 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said:

It’s probably a fuzzy a line with different people having different definitions on such things. At one point Jethro Tull won a grammy for best heavy metal album of the year.

Well, that was a farce.   I am sure it was a great album, but they were progressive, not heavy metal.  But I guess it is fair to say that the Grammy committee is as clueless as the RRHOF committee.  Why didn't they just have a "progressive rock"  category?   There are/were as many or more acts doing progressive rock as did  heavy metal. (and it is by far better music IMO)   I mean, Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, King Crimson,  ELP,  Tull,  Procul Harum,  Rush I believe is considered prog rock. The Moody Blues,  Kansas,  ELO,  Roxy Music, Uriah Heep,  The Strawbs, Brian Eno  (Ambient Music is an offshoot of Prog rock, fair to say?), Tangerine Dream, Vangelis... Todd Rundgren certainly had his prog rock renderings  (Utopia) ,  Allan Parsons,  Argent BeBop Deluxe....a lot of Bowie certainly,   Blue Oyster Cult,  Golden Earring,  Journey I think is considered "progressive rock"  ,  Manfred Mann, Phish?    Queen...by all means,  Al Stewart,  Styx, Supertramp Tears for Fears,  Asia,   Toto,  Tool,  Traffic, The Tubes,  Zappa and even some stuff by both Deep Purple and  Led Zeppelin could fall into "progressive".  The progenitors of "progressive rock"...as they were for so much is probably The Beatles.  Sgt. Pepper?  The White Album?  Absolutely.   And with them were the Yardbirds. 

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Love me some Rage. Most of the attention goes to Morello, but not enough love was given to Brad Wilk and Tim Commerford.  Great drummer & bassist combo.

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Iron Maiden NOT being in the Hall is just plain stoopid.

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14 hours ago, Axe said:

Iron Maiden NOT being in the Hall is just plain stoopid.

Well, they are up this year......and the same thing can be said about any number of acts. 

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Soundgarden  covers Devos Girl you want

also Fuck the rnr hall of fame

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On 3/8/2021 at 7:59 PM, ATOM said:

Soundgarden  covers Devos Girl you want

also Fuck the rnr hall of fame

They care less about your opinion than you do theirs 

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Iron Maiden should be in. They have some great songs and their live shows are AWESOME. I’ve seen them numerous times and they rock

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On 3/1/2021 at 9:05 AM, Westside Steve said:

Just an FYI I Devo did start out as a cover band but they weren't very good and didn't get many gigs. I will look this up to make sure I am not mistaken but I think there is some sort of a wink wink relationship between motherbaugh and Brian Eno  from whence came the clown suits and the novelty song which became a hit.

 But mark mothersbaugh is certainly an accomplished musician.

WSS

[Edit]  Nothing specific on the Web

Devo was never a cover band as devo. It was always a performance art piece based on a sort of jokey theory one of the casale's came up with at kent state with another guy who was a founding member of the band but left before the mothersbaugh brothers got involved. I would consider them peers to the early new wave art house types like the talking heads. While the talking heads went on to have better careers in the late 70s when that scene was hitting it's groove at cbgb and max's kansas city Devo was a way more fully formed concept. Sadly they sort of flamed out after 'freedom of choice' in my opinion. Their first two albums were all time classics for me though. I prefer the early incarnation before the ziggurat hat days 

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