Unsympathetic Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 Both Bears and Steelers are deep in the red even with the cap at 2020 levels.. Never say never of course but that doesn't look remotely plausible for either organization given current contracts and overall cap situations. I'm sure there's plenty of Bleacherreport articles ready to help you think otherwise, but factually bears/steelers are sellers this offseason not buyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said: Both Bears and Steelers are deep in the red even with the cap at 2020 levels.. Never say never of course but that doesn't look remotely plausible for either organization given current contracts and overall cap situations. Look at Atlanta & The Rams.. After paying their top 6-7 players/and dead money...their looking at 40/50 million left to fill out the rest of the roster... yikes! Saints -112M... G00d Grief.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Tour2ma said: I've been telling folks that for years... ... and you are one of those "folks". More girl on girl 69 action. How do your labias taste? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 44 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said: Both Bears and Steelers are deep in the red even with the cap at 2020 levels.. Never say never of course but that doesn't look remotely plausible for either organization given current contracts and overall cap situations. I'm sure there's plenty of Bleacherreport articles ready to help you think otherwise, but factually bears/steelers are sellers this offseason not buyers. Oh, no. Vulvatron says that that team can just snap their fingers by restructuring a few contracts and get down to 30 million under the cap. You are our resident cap guru. What would it really take for them to do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Unsympathetic said: Both Bears and Steelers are deep in the red even with the cap at 2020 levels.. Never say never of course but that doesn't look remotely plausible for either organization given current contracts and overall cap situations. I'm sure there's plenty of Bleacherreport articles ready to help you think otherwise, but factually bears/steelers are sellers this offseason not buyers. I guess you aren’t reading what I’m saying? I can post sources if necessary. I get you want the Steelers to be in hell but I don’t believe they will be especially if the cap comes in at 185 1. Ben is going to take a lot less money and not via a restructure. He’s on record again saying his contract is not important. 2. Vance retiring gave them over 5m 3 Decastro and heyward are set to restructure. All of which could put them a significant amount under the cap considering how much money Ben counts against it currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, Vagitron said: I guess you aren’t reading what I’m saying? I can post sources if necessary. I get you want the Steelers to be in hell but I don’t believe they will be especially if the cap comes in at 185 1. Ben is going to take a lot less money and not via a restructure. He’s on record again saying his contract is not important. 2. Vance retiring gave them over 5m 3 Decastro and heyward are set to restructure. See what I mean? Delusional. I know that Unsymp read what he said and likely LOLs at it. And Clitotron has been requested several time to enumerate just what those numbers would be...yet has failed to do so: 1. How does one take a lot less money not via a restructure? (and, OK, maybe money isn't important to him....it is important to his wife, his agent, the union etc.). But let's assume that happens..... at most they can chip off 19 mill of a 35 mill deficit. Down now to 16 mill over. 2. McDonald, OK gives them another 5 mill off. Down to 11 mill over. 3. Are those other two Pro Bowlers going to take a steep reduction in their salaries just to help the Steelers break even on their cap? Most of the time people have taken discounts so that the team can get players that can improve the team's chances. Are all these guys: BR/Heyward/DeCastro that unselfish.....just to help the team out of cap hell...NOT to help it acquire new talented players. 4. Could the retirement of Pouncey help there? What kind of cap money would that save, if any? 5. And would all this just be so they can stay status quo? Could they keep Conner (why would they want to) and Smith-Shuster, and Dupree. And Avery Williamson? Help us out Unsymp....if you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 This article talks in terms of the effect of actually releasing a number of players would have on the Steeler's cap situation: https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/1/23/22245386/steelers-have-options-for-managing-2021-salary-cap-they-just-have-decisions-to-make-roethlisberger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Gipper Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 11 hours ago, Vagitron said: Again, guy thinks it is all about him. It has fuck all to do with him. No one cares what one little mastubatory Steeler fan thinks. It has to do with the content and the material. He is just too uneducated to understand apparently. Totally self centered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 13 hours ago, Vagitron said: I guess you aren’t reading what I’m saying? I can post sources if necessary. I get you want the Steelers to be in hell but I don’t believe they will be especially if the cap comes in at 185 1. Ben is going to take a lot less money and not via a restructure. He’s on record again saying his contract is not important. 2. Vance retiring gave them over 5m 3 Decastro and heyward are set to restructure. All of which could put them a significant amount under the cap considering how much money Ben counts against it currently. I mean, even if all that happens the Steelers are in a bad salary cap situation. There's absolutely no way they can keep several of their starters, and on top of that plan for TJ Watt and Fitzpatrick (assuming they are priority, which they are). Rooney has admitted they put themselves in a bad situation: https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/1/29/22255394/steelers-current-salary-cap-situation-has-them-reconsidering-the-way-they-do-contracts-art-rooney. I respect the family for what they do with vets, but planning $41 million dollars for a 38 year old QB was bad salary cap planning. No way around it, Steelers are in a VERY tough spot assuming Ben comes back. It's naive to think otherwise. Candidly, from what I saw with Big Ben this year I'm not sure I'd want him under center. His play this year eerily reminded me of Manning before his injuries. I don't doubt Ben, if released, would pull a Phillip Rivers and go to a contender for a year (Bears, Colts, 49ers), but he just looks like he didn't, and won't, come back from his injury. Delhomme was the same way afterward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 20 hours ago, ATOM said: does anyone think they could swing a trade for watson ? Could? Yes... Would? Nope... and why would we want to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Could? Yes... Would? Nope... and why would we want to? i was meaning pittsburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 Found this as something interesting to watch, with strapped cap teams... it's going to get creative alright.. https://overthecap.com/eagles-get-creative-with-the-salary-cap/ I'm keeping my eyes on the Eagles defensive pieces due to Berry & tHowie Roseman connection.. Atlanta is another team to watch.. Donte Fowler jr. maybe out? Also asking Grady Jarrett & or Deion Jones to reconstruct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 15 hours ago, ATOM said: i was meaning pittsburgh Absolutely not, I'd be livid if they tried. You saw what Stafford got so Watson would get significantly more. I really like Watson, he's right below Mahomes but the capital required to get him would be insane and you mortgage the future of your team. The Steelers have made some "out of character" trades recently but that one would be a complete and total departure and if they wanted a QB i'd much rather see them trade up and draft someone like Trey Lance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 14 hours ago, gumby73 said: Found this as something interesting to watch, with strapped cap teams... it's going to get creative alright.. https://overthecap.com/eagles-get-creative-with-the-salary-cap/ I'm keeping my eyes on the Eagles defensive pieces due to Berry & tHowie Roseman connection.. Atlanta is another team to watch.. Donte Fowler jr. maybe out? Also asking Grady Jarrett & or Deion Jones to reconstruct? Jarrett and Jones are transformers? 😉 Definitely going to be a wild offseason with a good bit of movement for a lot of teams, unless the cap comes in higher than expected. There are officials that believe it could come in at 185 which would help a lot but it's obviously pure speculation. There are definitely going to be restructures. I expect at least two with the Steelers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 20 hours ago, ATOM said: i was meaning pittsburgh Ah.... well that's different... Nevermind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 If Pittsburgh tried to make a play for Watson, imagine what they would have to give up.....both in picks, players, and money. Here are his cap hit numbers: 2020 25 $1,177,123 $7,453,961 $1,177,123 $9,808,207 $75,771,084 $29,354,246($29,354,246) 2021 26 $10,540,000 $5,400,000 - $15,940,000 $67,140,000 $10,540,000($39,894,246) 2022 27 $35,000,000 $5,400,000 - $40,400,000 $51,200,000 $35,000,000($74,894,246) 2023 28 $20,000,000 $5,400,000 $17,000,000 $42,400,000 $10,800,000 $37,000,000($111,894,246) Plus, if they went for him, they would have to give up at least 3 first round picks plus probably a couple of players: how about TJ Watt and MInkah. I mean, the Texans went 4-12 with him....I suspect the Squibs could really do no better. Also, unlike BR, he AIN'T giving up no salary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 10:17 AM, The Gipper said: Again, guy thinks it is all about him. It has fuck all to do with him. No one cares what one little mastubatory Steeler fan thinks. It has to do with the content and the material. He is just too uneducated to understand apparently. Totally self centered. He wants you to be his friend and see where it goes from there. It's obvious. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 And Marquis pouncy is gone! It's going to be fun watching this ball of string unravel as it rolls across the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footbalfan1962 Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 On 1/22/2021 at 9:34 AM, Vagitron said: It’s lazy because it’s a dead horse. It’s lazy because it has zero to do with the maturation of Dwayne Haskins. Ben at a younger age was a skeeze ball. I saw it first hand when he would pop up out at the bars and the women would fucking essentially line up. The girl in Georgia followed him from bar to bar, that doesn’t sound like a rape victim. It sounds like a sorority girl that has sex with a pro athlete in a bathroom and when he didn’t want to date it became something else. Go read the reports. Either way it’s lazy for the first two reasons and it’s old and tired. Be better. Comin from the same guy who probably said ray lewis was a murderer,,,your all a bunch of douchebags,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 For what it's worth, 3 of the 4 talking heads on Get Up! this morning said that the Steelers would be better off moving on from BR this year. And the other one said the reason to keep him is that he still would cost 23 million on the cap if you dumped him...and thought that they could instead do better by improving their running game. But, they also acknowledged that that would mean they would have to replace Pouncey, and upgrade a couple of other OL spots...and get a decent RB, and those would likely have to be draft picks. The others agreed but said that if they are at that point, they may as well put to team in younger, hopefully better....at least more mobile hands. Right now, with a potentially porous OL, no running game, and a statue at QB, and probably losing one of their top receivers (juju) it would not look good for them, so they may as well move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 I think they keep BR because of the cap hit and they aren’t in a place in the draft to take one of the top QBs this season or take on money moving on from Ben. They should Build a fortress around the QB position for him next season and the next guy in 2022. It May involve spending valuable draft capital and getting creative by signing low budget guys that could be capable. They need a back too. They need to get back to how they started with Ben...great defense and a great running game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 The Steelers GM very Non-committal about BRs future with the team: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-gm-kevin-colbert-does-not-commit-to-bringing-ben-roethlisberger-back-for-the-2021-season/ "Hopefully there's a way we can figure out what's best for the organization. Hopefully he can see that and feel the same way. There's a lot of work to be done." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 Questions asked on PFT this morning: Which is the most likely scenario involving Ben R. this coming year (I paraphrased some) : A. He takes the big pay cut and is the Steelers starting QB B. He sees the light and voluntarily retires. C. He doesn't see the light, but the Steelers do and cut him, and he catches on with another team D. The Steelers cut him and no team shows any interest in him and he is forced, essentially, into retirement. Which option do you think is more likely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Don't see him taking that big of a pay cut. It makes no sense in keeping him for another year when they have to sign the younger talent for the future. He isn't worth it at this point. His last game is a big L to the browns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Anybody else find it odd? That the HOF QB coattail's they all rode for all these years.. now can't pass protect..run, because Conners could not..dropped passes he threw & thought dancing on team logo's was a good idea 🕺... Yep Colbert ! ! Rooney & yourself made yourselves a nice mess... Keep Ben? or A cost loss of a few defensive pieces? Which corner will they back themselves into next? stay tuned https://overthecap.com/free-agency/pittsburgh-steelers/ -30M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 11 hours ago, gumby73 said: Anybody else find it odd? That the HOF QB coattail's they all rode for all these years.. now can't pass protect..run, because Conners could not..dropped passes he threw & thought dancing on team logo's was a good idea 🕺... Yep Colbert ! ! Rooney & yourself made yourselves a nice mess... Keep Ben? or A cost loss of a few defensive pieces? Which corner will they back themselves into next? stay tuned https://overthecap.com/free-agency/pittsburgh-steelers/ -30M Commentators have said they are going to have to let Conner, Juju, Dupree, Villanueva, and Alualu all walk in free agency. We shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 BR meets with Steelers ownership today to discuss future: https://sports.yahoo.com/mike-tomlin-confirms-he-contracted-covid-19-040903657.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 On 2/19/2021 at 7:43 AM, The Gipper said: Commentators have said they are going to have to let Conner, Juju, Dupree, Villanueva, and Alualu all walk in free agency. We shall see. In the Steelers defense which I hate to do...all are replaceable except for Alualu - they will need a wide body there to make the 3-4 work. Alex Highsmith is going to do well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: In the Steelers defense which I hate to do...all are replaceable except for Alualu - they will need a wide body there to make the 3-4 work. Alex Highsmith is going to do well. Perhaps. I would have said Dupree was more valuable. Think about it.....it was after Dupree went down that the Steelers went into the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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