Week 19: CLE @ KC.... they play some crazy little football there and we're gonna get us some...

[Mark O]

Just now, Pat Mahomo said:

whata ya wanna do?

Bet that you won't get your old name back??   Anything you want dude.   There's no chance you get your old name back around here. 

[Tour2ma]

Mods... Fine by me to merge this into ATOM's thread... but you have to edit "Week 19:" into his title.

Hey! It worked this past week!

 

[Nero]

24 minutes ago, Pat Mahomo said:

whata ya wanna do?

I'm no expert, but I'd say that among the forum mods, Zombo runs the "Visiting fans name changing" department along with the "0 Fucks given" department. The first dependant on the latter, so... Good luck with your claim. 

[SdBacker80]

Any advantage to Joe Woods being able to study the Chiefs Defense for two weeks with their Super Bowl prep last season?

They did well for three quarters. 

 

[SdBacker80]

19 hours ago, ATOM said:

he could unless chubb and hunt can keep him off the field

The Chiefs know that it is coming and quite honestly I don’t think they can stop us consistently playing straight up.  But This is a big time play action game to me. I look for us to consistently put their safeties in a tough spot. 
 

Raiders/Chiefs at Arrowhead early this year...type of game we need on offense.  
 

[Tour2ma]

lol.... this was no time to run out of reactions.

 

Yo... Pat MaGayGuy*... how many points are you giving us?

 

 

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* not that Z spends much time worrying about political correctness, but it is an alternative... and as good of one as "Pat" has a shot at getting...

 

Ooh Ooh... Z... avatar time!

Also...

I think I had a Car 54 Where Are You flashback there...

 

[Pat Mahomo]

21 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

lol.... this was no time to run out of reactions.

 

Yo... Pat MaGayGuy*... how many points are you giving us?

 

 

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* not that Z spends much time worrying about political correctness, but it is an alternative... and as good of one as "Pat" has a shot at getting...

 

Ooh Ooh... Z... avatar time!

Also...

I think I had a Car 54 Where Are You flashback there...

 

KC -10

[Tour2ma]

6 minutes ago, Pat Mahomo said:

KC -10

So you are giving no more than Vegas?

"I can get better odds on any street corner."

 

 

I smell fear...

[Pat Mahomo]

I can't help it if Vegas has it right already.  Double digit favorite in a divisional playoff game doesn't happen that often. 

[SdBacker80]

^^^Can we put this turd in timeout and have football discussions 

[Unsympathetic]

2 hours ago, Pat Mahomo said:

1.  When we do crush you....I want my original name back (Zerovoltz)

You do realize the owner of the forum is a poster here, right? You have no rights - none - other than what he's deciding to grant you today.  So I'm gonna go with.. No.

Don't like it? Go create your own forum and talk to yourself!

[Zombo]

I'll merge them later, Mahomo-19 has infected that thread, so I'll keep him out of this one for now, for those that want a Mahomo-free place to discuss this week's skirmish.

Z

[Zombo]

17 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said:

^^^Can we put this turd in timeout and have football discussions 

I'll keep him to this thread only for those that want to spar.

Mahomo-free thread here:

Z

[The Gipper]

First... apologies to Fats Domino.

It was Wilbur (or Wilbert)  Harrison....not Fats Domino  that did that song. 

 

 

[Silver slayer]

Bitonio ,ward,  hodge all back.

Run the ball and keep homo on the side watching. 

Hunt wants this one badly

 

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/01/kareem-hunt-says-next-weeks-personal-vs-chiefs-but-patrick-mahomes-says-thats-my-dude-andy-reid-also-in-his-corner.html

[The Gipper]

3 hours ago, Pat Mahomo said:

1.  When we do crush you....I want my original name back (Zerovoltz)

2.  Yes, you beat the Steelers.  You had the unusualy benefit of getting a bunch of turnovers in the 1st quarter with very very short fields.  You won the turnover battle 5-0.  GOOD LUCK with having all that happen again.  

3.  Pat Mahomes.

Well....would you rather be a Zero...or a Homo?   When both apply  whacha gonna do? 

[The Gipper]

38 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said:

You do realize the owner of the forum is a poster here, right? You have no rights - none - other than what he's deciding to grant you today.  So I'm gonna go with.. No.

Don't like it? Go create your own forum and talk to yourself!

I think Kathy very rarely posts. 

[Tour2ma]

4 hours ago, Zombo said:

I'll keep him to this thread only for those that want to spar.

Mahomo-free thread here:

Did not know you could do that but it works for me...

 

Also... nice photoshop job on the new Avatar. Was partial to my suggestion, but your pick will do nicely...

 

Next round is on me...

... especially since I plan for it to be free in our suite at a home game TBD this Fall.

I'm down for two slots.... plus a room in the block at The Renaissance Cleveland Hotel (IIRC?)

[Nero]

7 hours ago, Nero said:

I'm no expert, but I'd say that among the forum mods, Zombo runs the "Visiting fans name changing" department along with the "0 Fucks given" department. The first dependant on the latter, so... Good luck with your claim. 

 

5 hours ago, Zombo said:

I'll keep him to this thread only for those that want to spar.

Mahomo-free thread here:

Z

You always deliver. 

[Tour2ma]

Initial Injury Report time...

Here's ours for the YTD... might reflect the above good news later tonite.

Bad news in the cases of Dunn and Jackson...

And here's the Chiefs complete report... including some very outdated stuff.

Knew he did not play in last couple KC games I caught, but I did not know Schwartz was on IR.

 

 

[Pat Mahomo]

Here is how your Sunday is going to go.

you will be crushed.

Cleveland, having invested a lot of emotion and energy into their first playoff win in decades, vs long time rival Pittsburg, is going to come into KC vs a well rested Chiefs team that was 10 in points allowed.  Cleveland spent their whole wad vs the Steelers.
 

You will look at KC’s defensive rankings and think to yourself that Cleveland should be able to run VS the Chiefs based on those rankings.

What you don’t see in those rankings is that most of those runs come as teams are trailing and KC is playing pass defense.  KC has allowed the fewest receptions to WR’s in the NFL this year.....a major accomplishment considering teams are usually playing from behind.

It might also be noteworthy that KC had a game where they turned the ball over 4 times in the first half, lost the TO battle 4-0 for the game.  They led at halftime.  
 

Pat Mahomes has never walked off a football field after playing 4 quarters of playoff football, with his team losing.

KC, with Pat Mahomes, is 2-0 in PLAYOFF games in wich the opponents block a punt and return it for a TD.

KC is not Pittsburgh.

 

 

 

 

[Tour2ma]

2 minutes ago, Pat Mahomo said:

Pat Mahomes has never walked off a football field after playing 4 quarters of playoff football, with his team losing.

So the solution is obvious...

[Nero]

24 minutes ago, Pat Mahomo said:

Here is how your Sunday is going to go.

you will be crushed.

Cleveland, having invested a lot of emotion and energy into their first playoff win in decades, vs long time rival Pittsburg, is going to come into KC vs a well rested Chiefs team that was 10 in points allowed.  Cleveland spent their whole wad vs the Steelers.

I don't think we will win, but man this kind of sentences always seem stupid for me. 

If you're right, congrats, you have the same opinion as the vast majority of football fans. 

If you're wrong, prepare yourself for eating crow. 

It's a meh/lose situation for me. Not really worth it. 

[Tour2ma]

32 minutes ago, Pat Mahomo said:

You will look at KC’s defensive rankings and think to yourself that Cleveland should be able to run VS the Chiefs based on those rankings.

What you don’t see in those rankings is that most of those runs come as teams are trailing and KC is playing pass defense.  KC has allowed the fewest receptions to WR’s in the NFL this year.....a major accomplishment considering teams are usually playing from behind.

Behind? Hmmmmm

• 3 point win in OT. Allowed 183 rushing
• 8 point loss... allowed 144 rushing
• 2 point win... allowed 104
• 4 point win... allowed 89
• 3 point... 75
• 6 point... 179
• 6 point... 80
• 3 point... 60
• 3 point... 90

I'll let week 17 slide.

So from the above it seems that when you stop the run, and in some games you do, that you can't stop the pass?

Just as a quality check let's look at the Top Ten rushing teams for 2020 and see how many you played and how you did...

Ravens? Nope... Titans? Negative... Browns? Not yet... Pats? Yup... held them to 185? Can that be correct?

Oh wait... you picked Stidham twice, Hoyer once and strip sacked Hoyer to boot. So Pats turned it over 4 times... and you won by 16. lol... Moving on...

Vikings, Saints. Cards... No, yup, nein... Beat NOLA by 3 with Brees going 15-34? Awesome... Next!

Pack, Eagles Rams... No, no and no...

Awesome run D there... batted .500 keeping the 2, top ten rushing teams under 150 yards.... wait, 160... wait 170... wait...

 

Did I mention I love your new avatar?

 

What else ya got, son?

[Neo]

My top concerns about KC are obviously 

#1 Tyreek Hill 

#2 Travis Kelce

#3 Patrick Mahomes 

And you still have Watkins, Hardman, and Edwards-Helaire. Then you add in the intangibles that Mahomes brings is going to spread our defense thin. 

If you take into consideration what the Browns had to overcome to get here, I think this is a winnable game. We must run the ball and win in the trenches and we need to prevent explosive plays. If we let Hill take over the game, it's going to be a long day.

What scares me is how they seemed to roll coverage away from Claypool in the Steelers game and allowed them to get back in it. I say lock Hill down and do the best you can against Kelce and make someone else beat you.

 

[SdBacker80]

34 minutes ago, Neo said:

My top concerns about KC are obviously 

#1 Tyreek Hill 

#2 Travis Kelce

#3 Patrick Mahomes 

And you still have Watkins, Hardman, and Edwards-Helaire. Then you add in the intangibles that Mahomes brings is going to spread our defense thin. 

If you take into consideration what the Browns had to overcome to get here, I think this is a winnable game. We must run the ball and win in the trenches and we need to prevent explosive plays. If we let Hill take over the game, it's going to be a long day.

What scares me is how they seemed to roll coverage away from Claypool in the Steelers game and allowed them to get back in it. I say lock Hill down and do the best you can against Kelce and make someone else beat you.

 

Edwards Helaire is out.  They are deep with pass catchers/explosive talent.  Their line is vulnerable.

We do not have the horses this year to contain these guys. 

We need rust and poor execution to stall some drives.  Maybe some red zones stops and a turnover.  Maybe a key guy or two out.  

And it’s no secret it’s Chubb and Hunt 45-50 times in rushes and short passes this Sunday shortening this game.

When I think of our offseason strategy this year.  It is obviously fixing our Defense.  Adding a Lamar Jackson spy and tackle specialist and an interior pass rusher to disrupt a Guy like Mahomes are at the top of my list.  Along with Delpit and Ward playing 16 games plus playoffs. 

[The Gipper]

2 hours ago, Pat Mahomo said:

Here is how your Sunday is going to go.

you will be crushed.

Cleveland, having invested a lot of emotion and energy into their first playoff win in decades, vs long time rival Pittsburg, is going to come into KC vs a well rested Chiefs team that was 10 in points allowed.  Cleveland spent their whole wad vs the Steelers.
 

You will look at KC’s defensive rankings and think to yourself that Cleveland should be able to run VS the Chiefs based on those rankings.

What you don’t see in those rankings is that most of those runs come as teams are trailing and KC is playing pass defense.  KC has allowed the fewest receptions to WR’s in the NFL this year.....a major accomplishment considering teams are usually playing from behind.

It might also be noteworthy that KC had a game where they turned the ball over 4 times in the first half, lost the TO battle 4-0 for the game.  They led at halftime.  
 

Pat Mahomes has never walked off a football field after playing 4 quarters of playoff football, with his team losing.

KC, with Pat Mahomes, is 2-0 in PLAYOFF games in wich the opponents block a punt and return it for a TD.

KC is not Pittsburgh.

 

 

 

 

So....where do you come off thinking that we Browns fans think that KC is anything like Pittsburgh?  WE understand it is  a daunting task to take on the Chiefs.   Does that mean that the Browns have to be a-scared?  They WILL show up.....with all their flaws.

But I have just 3 words for you:   Phi Slamma Jamma 

[Tour2ma]

1 hour ago, Neo said:

My top concerns about KC are obviously 

#1 Tyreek Hill 

#2 Travis Kelce

#3 Patrick Mahomes 

And you still have Watkins, Hardman, and Edwards-Helaire

You forgot Reed and Bienemy... that Offense has more wrinkles than a $60 suit...

So frickin' inventive...

 

This is a pure ball control game for us. Either way the coin toss goes we should end up with the ball first. Then if we go eat 7+ minutes and 75-yds...

We do not want to play this game behind more than one score... and preferably that score is a FG.

We make them play from behind... maximize their play count by frustrating their chunk plays... then we have a shot.

 

In short we try to make a team with superior weapons, but the same weaknesses, look like the Steelers.

We know Mahomes ain't Ben, but in that there's both hope and danger. Danger in that he's mobile... and then some. Hope in that because he knows he is mobile he sometimes holds the ball a bit too long and takes a sack. Takes a very disciplined rush to get him, but he is gettable so long as he's not left a crease to escape thru.

Of course, they're ground attack ain't bad either.

 

For us to win job 1 is to win the war in trenches... both ways... but it's even more important that our DL does so.

[ATOM]

11 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

Mods... Fine by me to merge this into ATOM's thread... but you have to edit "Week 19:" into his title.

Hey! It worked this past week!

 

what ? wait ? huh ?

[ATOM]

21 hours ago, Pat Mahomo said:

We are going to crush you.  

who the fuck R U