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There are issues with Cleveland Browns receiver Odell Beckham that need to be resolved if he's going to be successful, but it's a mistake to attribute the dramatic improvement of the passing game entirely on the occurrence of his injury.

Just in terms of what Mayfield was seeing from defenses, where his eyes are and how he was manipulating defenders is night and day from the earlier part of the season. In other words, if Beckham were healthy, there's every reason to believe he would be benefiting as much as every other weapon in this offense is currently.

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Yes......the issue that needs to be resolved is:

Can he recover from  his injury in order to be at full strength for next season? 

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53 minutes ago, Vambo said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/answering-the-odell-beckham-question

There are issues with Cleveland Browns receiver Odell Beckham that need to be resolved if he's going to be successful, but it's a mistake to attribute the dramatic improvement of the passing game entirely on the occurrence of his injury.

Just in terms of what Mayfield was seeing from defenses, where his eyes are and how he was manipulating defenders is night and day from the earlier part of the season. In other words, if Beckham were healthy, there's every reason to believe he would be benefiting as much as every other weapon in this offense is currently.

His money will be much better spent on the defensive side of the ball. Best of luck to him.  

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27 minutes ago, D Bone said:

His money will be much better spent on the defensive side of the ball. Best of luck to him.  

Do you think maybe we could have used him on Sunday? 

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37 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Do you think maybe we could have used him on Sunday? 

We could've used Jerry Rice and Flipper Anderson too.... and don't even get me started on the '85 Bears defense. 

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Fuck Odell.. We don't need him...

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17 minutes ago, nickers said:

Fuck Odell.. We don't need him...

having him in the field with the others makes hunt and chub lethal.

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37 minutes ago, LBC mike said:

having him in the field with the others makes hunt and chub lethal.

Having him on the field will force Baker into bad habits...

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20 minutes ago, nickers said:

Having him on the field will force Baker into bad habits...

Or not,  Alicia. 

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8 hours ago, nickers said:

Having him on the field will force Baker BACK into bad habits...

FIFY😁

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9 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Or not,  Alicia. 

Relax , Karen!

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Show me again the new Stefon Diggs trade deal 👀... than we might talk.🤓. If Josh Allen can do it? Baker can't? 🤔 (ney!)

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The great tragedy of OBJ getting hurt during the Bengals game is that he would have likely had 150 yards and 2 tds. I want to run it all back with our WRs. With a real offseason and everyone on the same page. 

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For shits and giggles l ran some numbers on Browns rushing stats this year with OBJ, and without OBJ. The theory here is that OBJ “stretches the field” and loosens up the run game.

I counted the second Bengals game in the “without OBJ” column since he went down really early. Here’s what l came up with.

With OBJ: 6 games/ 194 rushing attempts/ 1,017 yards/ 32.3 attempts per game/ 5.24 yards per carry

Without OBJ: 9 games/ 270 rushing attempts/ 1,165 yards/ 30 attempts per game/ 4.31 yards per carry

The most significant of those numbers is we were gaining almost and entire extra yard per carry with OBJ in there. In a game of inches, that’s like 33 of them. 

The attempts columns were similar. We tried carrying it a little over 2 more times on average per game with OBJ as opposed to without. 
 

I realize there’s other factors at play, but that’s at least some indication that having OBJ, or a guy like him, is good for the team.

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2 hours ago, The Gipper said:

I always am, Gomer.

Now now , RuPaul... Don't over exert yourself LOL

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30 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said:

For shits and giggles l ran some numbers on Browns rushing stats this year with OBJ, and without OBJ. The theory here is that OBJ “stretches the field” and loosens up the run game.

I counted the second Bengals game in the “without OBJ” column since he went down really early. Here’s what l came up with.

With OBJ: 6 games/ 194 rushing attempts/ 1,017 yards/ 32.3 attempts per game/ 5.24 yards per carry

Without OBJ: 9 games/ 270 rushing attempts/ 1,165 yards/ 30 attempts per game/ 4.31 yards per carry

The most significant of those numbers is we were gaining almost and entire extra yard per carry with OBJ in there. In a game of inches, that’s like 33 of them. 

The attempts columns were similar. We tried carrying it a little over 2 more times on average per game with OBJ as opposed to without. 
 

I realize there’s other factors at play, but that’s at least some indication that having OBJ, or a guy like him, is good for the team.

 

 

 I want his talent with out the attention whore antics...

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4 hours ago, nickers said:

 

 

 I want his talent with out the attention whore antics...

I can see that.  I want whores who give attention, not ones who demand it.  

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3 hours ago, The Gipper said:

I can see that.  I want whores who give attention, not ones who demand it.  

Amen to that...

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13 hours ago, The Gipper said:

I can see that.  I want whores who give attention, not ones who demand it.  

Did you hear about the Aggie who spent $200 to stay overnight in a Warehouse in La Grange? He had heard on the ZZ Top song of that title that "They gotta lotta nice girls down there".🤗💃

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4 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Did you hear about the Aggie who spent $200 to stay overnight in a Warehouse in La Grange? He had heard on the ZZ Top song of that title that "They gotta lotta nice girls down there".🤗💃

No.

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On 12/30/2020 at 11:26 AM, Ibleedbrown said:

For shits and giggles l ran some numbers on Browns rushing stats this year with OBJ, and without OBJ. The theory here is that OBJ “stretches the field” and loosens up the run game.

I counted the second Bengals game in the “without OBJ” column since he went down really early. Here’s what l came up with.

With OBJ: 6 games/ 194 rushing attempts/ 1,017 yards/ 32.3 attempts per game/ 5.24 yards per carry

Without OBJ: 9 games/ 270 rushing attempts/ 1,165 yards/ 30 attempts per game/ 4.31 yards per carry

The most significant of those numbers is we were gaining almost and entire extra yard per carry with OBJ in there. In a game of inches, that’s like 33 of them. 

The attempts columns were similar. We tried carrying it a little over 2 more times on average per game with OBJ as opposed to without. 
 

I realize there’s other factors at play, but that’s at least some indication that having OBJ, or a guy like him, is good for the team.

Thanks for the research. I've been saying all along that the run game has suffered since OBJ went down without doing the research. People would tell me BS but its obvious to me. I believe the offense was still trying to find their way early on. It appears now they are finding their way and OBJ with compliment it when he returns. 

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OBJ  is the only player we currently possess who can beat the Ravens CB's coverage.

Of course you want OBJ on the Browns at the same time the Cavs feature a duo named Sexland.  Don't deny it.

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On 12/29/2020 at 9:42 PM, LBC mike said:

having him in the field with the others makes hunt and chub lethal.

What are you talking about? He never did such before. The O is worse with him, the #s prove it. 

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1 hour ago, Icecube said:

What are you talking about? He never did such before. The O is worse with him, the #s prove it. 

Exactly right...

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On 12/30/2020 at 10:57 AM, nickers said:

 I want his talent with out the attention whore antics...

Definitely has been an issue in his past, but I must have blinked and missed them this season. So you will have to refresh my memory.

 

The guy just wants to be a part of a winning team. I can handle that.

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On 12/31/2020 at 12:32 PM, Icecube said:

What are you talking about? He never did such before. The O is worse with him, the #s prove it. 

So you skipped Ibleedbrowns' post?

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Gotta love a judge who won't give legal advice, but will post about what he wants from whores...

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