ATOM Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, BaconHound said: They are 3-0 against the Browns with 2 beatdowns. I’d say the Ravens are slightly above average and the Steelers are very good. as i said in a different thread pit has had one good half in the last 4 weeks I mean shit man they lost to the football team and the bingals I would not say very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 51 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: https://athlonsports.com/nfl/nfl-linebacker-rankings We need a blue chip LB in the ...draft? or free agent? this is from the beginning of August this year.... 2020 NFL Linebacker Rankings 1. Bobby Wagner, Seattle Seahawks Wagner led the NFL with 159 tackles in 2019, but as we’ve said, tackle totals aren’t the best barometer for linebacker performance. Wagner’s tackles matter because he’s so smart on the field and so quick to the ball, and he’s one of the best ’backers in the NFL in pass coverage. He’s also an excellent, if occasional, blitzer, as his three sacks and 14 total pressures in 2019 indicate. 2. Eric Kendricks, Minnesota Vikings The modern NFL requires linebackers to be full-field run-and-chase players as opposed to run-stopping headbangers, and Kendricks is the perfect such player in Mike Zimmer’s zone-based nickel defense. Kendricks is a tackle-collecting machine. With his on-field expertise and movement abilities, he can sniff out run plays before they happen, and he’s so often in the right place for the optimal coverage. 3. Darius Leonard, Indianapolis Colts There are very few linebackers in the NFL who do everything required of the position better than Leonard does. In his rookie season of 2018, he led the league in both solo and combined tackles. In 2019, he started dropping into coverage more, doing that to the tune of five interceptions and an opponent passer rating allowed of 79.0 — a very low number for a defender dealing mostly with short and intermediate passes. 4. Demario Davis, New Orleans Saints The Saints signed Davis to a three-year, $24 million contract in 2018, hoping that he could help an underperforming linebacker corps. Given the relatively small numbers in that deal, it’s safe to say that Davis’ current team got more than it bargained for. A ferocious run stopper who has developed into an above-average cover man, Davis has one foot in the old school at his position, but he’s learned to adapt as a true full-field defender. 5. Cory Littleton, Las Vegas Raiders Jon Gruden and Mike Mayock made a very savvy move with the acquisition of Littleton, the former Rams star, with a three-year, $35.25 million contract. Littleton will immediately make that defense better as both a run stopper and especially as a short and intermediate defender in pass coverage. Few NFL linebackers have a better sense of what quarterbacks are about to do. 6. Lavonte David, Tampa Bay Buccaneers David has been one of the most athletic and productive players at his position since the Bucs selected him in the 2012 draft. And since his rookie season, no other NFL player has more solo tackles than David’s 724, which is one indication of how quickly he gets to the ballcarrier and how suddenly he’s able to shut things down when he gets there. Add in his blitzing ability and coverage skills, and it’s fascinating that he hasn’t made a Pro Bowl since 2015. 7. Fred Warner, San Francisco 49ers San Francisco’s top-level defense had several stars last season, but Warner was as important as anybody else — especially when fellow linebacker Kwon Alexander lost half the season to a pectoral injury. At that point, Warner upped his game in every category from run fits to advanced coverage concepts, culminating in a Super Bowl LIV interception. 8. Deion Jones, Atlanta Falcons Jones is the heir to the Derrick Brooks/Brian Urlacher linebacker prototype — that ’backer who can seamlessly cover seam and post routes with an easy backpedal at least 10 yards from his initial position. Jones isn’t the most definitive run stopper or tackler on the move, but few players at his position are able to handle the needs a defense has for a linebacker who can tour the field in a big hurry. 9. Jaylon Smith, Dallas Cowboys Had Smith not suffered a horrific injury in the 2016 Fiesta Bowl, he would have been a top-five prospect. The Cowboys took a shot on him in the second round of the 2016 draft, and Smith rewarded them with outstanding production after what amounted to a medical redshirt season. In 2019, he set career highs in tackles (142), solo tackles (83) and passes defensed (nine). 10. Jamie Collins Sr., Detroit Lions Collins was at his best with the Patriots because de facto defensive coordinator Bill Belichick has always understood Collins’ unique gifts as a pass rusher, run stopper and coverage man. Signing a three-year, $30 million contract with the Lions may or may not provide a re-run of Collins’ time with the Browns, who didn’t quite know what to do with him. The presence of head coach and former Pats defensive coordinator Matt Patricia should ostensibly help. 11. C.J. Mosley*, New York Jets 12. Leighton Vander Esch, Dallas Cowboys 13. Kwon Alexander, San Francisco 49ers 14. Jayon Brown, Tennessee Titans 15. Roquan Smith, Chicago Bears 16. Tremaine Edmunds, Buffalo Bills 17. Zach Cunningham, Houston Texans 18. Blake Martinez, New York Giants 19. Joe Schobert, Jacksonville Jaguars 20. Benardrick McKinney, Houston Texans 21. Danny Trevathan, Chicago Bears 22. K.J. Wright, Seattle Seahawks 23. Devin Bush, Pittsburgh Steelers 24. Devin White, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 25. Alexander Johnson, Denver Broncos 26. Dont'a Hightower*, New England Patriots 27. Shaq Thompson, Carolina Panthers 28. Anthony Barr, Minnesota Vikings 29. Jordan Hicks, Arizona Cardinals 30. Matt Milano, Buffalo Bills Didn't we used to have DeMario Davis and then just give him away? As well as Jamie Collins? And Joe Schobert? Wouldn't it be nice to have that group here now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 as i said in a different thread pit has had one good half in the last 4 weeks I mean shit man they lost to the football team and the bingals I would not say very good I agree they are reeling right now. They are 12-3 & 4-1 which is very solid considering their recent struggles. If I was making a wager, I’d bet they beat us Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, BaconHound said: I agree they are reeling right now. They are 12-3 & 4-1 which is very solid considering their recent struggles. If I was making a wager, I’d bet they beat us Sunday. we have come back all year long after losing a game so thats a bet i would not make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 15 hours ago, hoorta said: Yeah- our LBs pale in comparison to a healthy Steers crew. Secondary, we have one star (Ward) and a serviceable Harrison (when healthy). 5 spots that could use some upgrading. Remains to be seen if Delpit can come back healthy next year, or limp armed Greedy- who right now has all the making of an injury bust. I can't stress this enough - stop overlooking Money Mitch. He's had some admirable play this year for what he has been asked to do. Ward, Harrison, Mitch, Goodson and even Karl Joseph have been some nice pieces this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, tiamat63 said: I can't stress this enough - stop overlooking Money Mitch. He's had some admirable play this year for what he has been asked to do. Ward, Harrison, Mitch, Goodson and even Karl Joseph have been some nice pieces this season. Agree and I sign Money Mitch this offseason. We are all waiting on Greedy but I think he’s a bust. We misuse Joseph. Seems to be good in run support, provides a decent pass rush/ nose for the ball. But Joseph in coverage - no bueno- I am thinking Jax game specifically and in spots throughout the year where we had him centerfield or in man coverage chasing guys more athletic than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 56 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: Agree and I sign Money Mitch this offseason. We are all waiting on Greedy but I think he’s a bust. We misuse Joseph. Seems to be good in run support, provides a decent pass rush/ nose for the ball. But Joseph in coverage - no bueno- I am thinking Jax game specifically and in spots throughout the year where we had him centerfield or in man coverage chasing guys more athletic than him. the trouble is, that also sounds like Sendejo, who is a liability in coverage but made a great play on a ..flare pass? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 21 hours ago, ATOM said: didnt the ravens and squulers play that same schedule they average ? Substantially the same, but not identical... 6 Division games 4 games vs. another AFC Division (this year it was the AFCN vs. AFCS) 4 games vs. an NFC Division (this year it was the AFCN vs. NFCE) That's 14 so for the final two each team plays the team that finished in the same position as they did in the prior season, i.e., 2019 1st place vs. 1st place, 2nd place vs. 2nd, etc., in... the same AFC Division (this year it was the AFCW) the same NFC Division (this year it was the NFCS) These last two schedule fillers are the only ones where teams are chosen to make the schedule easier/harder for teams in the same division. Note that the Division above are different from the one against which we play all the teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, calfoxwc said: the trouble is, that also sounds like Sendejo, who is a liability in coverage but made a great play on a ..flare pass? Yup... we simply do not have a Center-fielding FS with Delpit on the shelf. I just hope we have one when he rejoins us in 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 14 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Substantially the same, but not identical... 6 Division games 4 games vs. another AFC Division (this year it was the AFCN vs. AFCS) 4 games vs. an NFC Division (this year it was the AFCN vs. NFCE) That's 14 so for the final two each team plays the team that finished in the same position as they did in the prior season, i.e., 2019 1st place vs. 1st place, 2nd place vs. 2nd, etc., in... the same AFC Division (this year it was the AFCW) the same NFC Division (this year it was the NFCS) These last two schedule fillers are the only ones where teams are chosen to make the schedule easier/harder for teams in the same division. Note that the Division above are different from the one against which we play all the teams. We played the AFCE instead of the NFCS. I was confused but I double checked: Ravens - Patriots Steelers - Bills Browns - Jets Bengals - Dolphins Against AFCW: Ravens - Chiefs Steelers - Broncos Browns - Raiders Bengals - Chargers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted December 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 I have failed us. Someone else's turn at the table this week to start this thread. @Nero, you ready? Zombo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Zombo said: I have failed us. Someone else's turn at the table this week to start this thread. @Nero, you ready? Zombo I'm here to follow orders. I'll do my best. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Can I ask a question, because I really have never seen a reasonable explanation given for this: Why was our entire WR corps put on the shelf......when apparently (again, according to what I read), there was an LB that maybe tested positive. I mean what? Were they all snuggle buddies in some situation where they were exposed? I mean, Dwayne Haskins was out partying, maskless, with strippers and he never got shelved. In fact, didn't he start the next game.....but then go released only because he played poorly? So...WTF is up with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Can I ask a question, because I really have never seen a reasonable explanation given for this: Why was our entire WR corps put on the shelf......when apparently (again, according to what I read), there was an LB that maybe tested positive. I mean what? Were they all snuggle buddies in some situation where they were exposed? I mean, Dwayne Haskins was out partying, maskless, with strippers and he never got shelved. In fact, didn't he start the next game.....but then go released only because he played poorly? So...WTF is up with that. BJ was getting medical treatment in Berea in the same facilities as all the WRs and then tested positive. It was something like that, I believe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dutch Oven Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 The NFL congratulated Frank Gore for hitting the 16,000 yard rushing mark with this picture from his rookie season with the 49ers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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