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On slight off topic note: 

I thought the defense battled yesterday.  We missed some tackles didn’t pressure a lot but I thought they played well with what they had...changes are coming and those changes will probably come via draft.  We need to upgrade speed and maybe find an interior pass rusher and coverage guys of course.


Now the off topic: Mack Wilson film study from the end of 2019-to present day.  Might be the worst tape you will see- any takers?  It surprises me that he played under Saban. 

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On 1/2/2021 at 1:52 AM, tiamat63 said:

Figured I'd see you in this thread at some point.  Yes, I was thinking that when watching it live.  Hilliard is a high upside LB with great athletic ability who has had an up and down career.  But he's playing into a day 3 pick.  

He has had an up and down career due to injury though.  When he has gotten on the field the guy has played phenomenally. There are a lot of defensive guys who have been big in the last three games but I think Hilliard has had one of the biggest impacts. I'm so happy for the kid also. He never quit and I really hope he does get drafted by some team. 

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9 hours ago, bjh2130 said:

He has had an up and down career due to injury though.  When he has gotten on the field the guy has played phenomenally. There are a lot of defensive guys who have been big in the last three games but I think Hilliard has had one of the biggest impacts. I'm so happy for the kid also. He never quit and I really hope he does get drafted by some team. 

Well aware, but your best ability is availability.  Hilliards medical history is a big concern.

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18 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

Maybe it's just me... I'm higher on Jones than I was McCarron.   By a decent amount, to be honest.

I’m impressed by his ball placement.  The handful of Bama games I watched he gives his WRs, Backs and TEs every opportunity to YAC it up by putting the ball perfectly in a spot where they can catch and run.  
 

But I want to see how he handles a little pressure in his face...getting off his spot...it’s coming with OSUs interior dline. 

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11 hours ago, SdBacker80 said:

But I want to see how he handles a little pressure in his face...getting off his spot...it’s coming with OSUs interior dline. 

That is the concern I have always had about both Bama and OSU QB's. They both are surrounded by 5* and high 4* HS best in states they come from players, so against most teams they play the QBs are not pressured that much. Willie Joe is one of the few who was able to make it decently in the NFL. along with Bart Starr, and Kenny Stabler, all Bama players. Tom Tupa from OSU was decent too......................as a punter. Am I missing any other OSU QB who was decent in the NFL?

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11 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

That is the concern I have always had about both Bama and OSU QB's. They both are surrounded by 5* and high 4* HS best in states they come from players, so against most teams they play the QBs are not pressured that much. Willie Joe is one of the few who was able to make it decently in the NFL. along with Bart Starr, and Kenny Stabler, all Bama players. Tom Tupa from OSU was decent too......................as a punter. Am I missing any other OSU QB who was decent in the NFL?

Shane Falco. 

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12 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

That is the concern I have always had about both Bama and OSU QB's. They both are surrounded by 5* and high 4* HS best in states they come from players, so against most teams they play the QBs are not pressured that much. Willie Joe is one of the few who was able to make it decently in the NFL. along with Bart Starr, and Kenny Stabler, all Bama players. Tom Tupa from OSU was decent too......................as a punter. Am I missing any other OSU QB who was decent in the NFL?

One of the reasons why I love small(er) school QBs.   At least, schools that don't have a pool of 5* talent around their QB.   Makes it a bit easier to see who really is the one elevating the play of the offenses.

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12 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

That is the concern I have always had about both Bama and OSU QB's. They both are surrounded by 5* and high 4* HS best in states they come from players, so against most teams they play the QBs are not pressured that much. Willie Joe is one of the few who was able to make it decently in the NFL. along with Bart Starr, and Kenny Stabler, all Bama players. Tom Tupa from OSU was decent too......................as a punter. Am I missing any other OSU QB who was decent in the NFL?

Mike Tomsczak is the best by far that came out of OSU.  Played 15 years in the league.  But mostly as a backup.

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Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
Career       185 73 42-31-0 1248 2337 53.4 16079 88 3.8 106 4.5 303 85 6.9 5.6 12.9 86.9 68.9 114 809 6.23 5.00 4.7 6 12 55
7 yrs PIT     84 27 15-12-0 546 973 56.1 6649 37 3.8 43 4.4 303 84 6.8 5.6 12.2 79.2 71.6 50 345 6.16 4.99 4.9 1 5 22
6 yrs CHI     77 31 21-10-0 454 915 49.6 6247 33 3.6 47 5.1 0 85 6.8 5.2 13.8 81.1 62.5 39 274 6.26 4.74 4.1 4 6 21
1 yr CLE     12 8 4-4-0 120 211 56.9 1693 7 3.3 7 3.3 0 52 8.0 7.2 14.1 141.1 80.1 12 85 7.21 6.43 5.4 1 1 7
1 yr GNB     12 7 2-5-0 128 238 53.8 1490 11 4.6 9 3.8 0 75 6.3 5.5 11.6 124.2 72.6 13 105 5.52 4.78 5.2     5
1985 23 CHI   18 6 0   2 6 33.3 33 0 0.0 0 0.0   24 5.5 5.5 16.5 5.5 52.8 0 0 5.50 5.50 0.0     0
1986 24 CHI QB 18 13 7 7-0-0 74 151 49.0 1105 2 1.3 10 6.6   85 7.3 4.6 14.9 85.0 50.2 4 30 6.94 4.29 2.6 2 3 3
1987 25 CHI qb 18 12 6 4-2-0 97 178 54.5 1220 5 2.8 10 5.6   56 6.9 4.9 12.6 101.7 62.0 9 59 6.21 4.34 4.8 1 2 4
1988 26 CHI qb 18 14 5 4-1-0 86 170 50.6 1310 7 4.1 6 3.5   76 7.7 6.9 15.2 93.6 75.4 5 47 7.22 6.47 2.9     5
1989 27 CHI QB 18 16 11 5-6-0 156 306 51.0 2058 16 5.2 16 5.2   79 6.7 5.4 13.2 128.6 68.2 10 68 6.30 5.03 3.2 1 1 7
1990 28 CHI   18 16 2 1-1-0 39 104 37.5 521 3 2.9 5 4.8   48 5.0 3.4 13.4 32.6 43.8 11 70 3.92 2.49 9.6     2
1991 29 GNB qb 18 12 7 2-5-0 128 238 53.8 1490 11 4.6 9 3.8   75 6.3 5.5 11.6 124.2 72.6 13 105 5.52 4.78 5.2     5
1992 30 CLE QB 18 12 8 4-4-0 120 211 56.9 1693 7 3.3 7 3.3   52 8.0 7.2 14.1 141.1 80.1 12 85 7.21 6.43 5.4 1 1 7
1993 31 PIT   18 7 1 0-1-0 29 54 53.7 398 2 3.7 5 9.3   39 7.4 3.9 13.7 56.9 51.3 7 43 5.82 2.79 11.5     1
1994 32 PIT   18 6 2 2-0-0 54 93 58.1 804 4 4.3 0 0.0 34 84 8.6 9.5 14.9 134.0 100.8 4 33 7.95 8.77 4.1 1 2 2
1995 33 PIT   18 7 4 2-2-0 65 113 57.5 666 1 0.9 9 8.0 34 29 5.9 2.5 10.2 95.1 44.3 6 42 5.24 2.01 5.0 0 1 2
1996 34 PIT QB 18 16 15 10-5-0 222 401 55.4 2767 15 3.7 17 4.2 135 70 6.9 5.7 12.5 172.9 71.8 16 105 6.38 5.27 3.8 0 2 9
1997 35 PIT   18 16 0   16 24 66.7 185 1 4.2 2 8.3 13 28 7.7 4.8 11.6 11.6 68.9 0 0 7.71 4.79 0.0     1
1998 36 PIT   18 16 0   21 30 70.0 204 2 6.7 2 6.7 9 42 6.8 5.1 9.7 12.8 83.2 2 18 5.81 4.25 6.3     1
1999 37 PIT qb 18 16 5 1-4-0 139 258 53.9 1625 12 4.7 8 3.1 78 49 6.3 5.8 11.7 101.6 75.8 15 104 5.57 5.13 5.5     6
11 playoff games - full playoff gamelogs · 6 comebacks, 12 game-winning drives - full summary
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27 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

One of the reasons why I love small(er) school QBs.   At least, schools that don't have a pool of 5* talent around their QB.   Makes it a bit easier to see who really is the one elevating the play of the offenses.

Yep-I learned that lesson from some guy in the NFL that played at La.Tech which was close to his HS in Shreveport.

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53 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

I'm still on a drafting break :) 

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uchzdau3il2x23ynypio.png  Hi Tia! 😘  Go Bucks!

 

 

 

 

Speaking of Kay...major appearance change yesterday-  face paint eye shadow.  Didn’t look like the 30 something next door anymore 

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23 hours ago, SdBacker80 said:

Speaking of Kay...major appearance change yesterday-  face paint eye shadow.  Didn’t look like the 30 something next door anymore 

My boo could wear Cherokee warpaint, a onesie and rain boots...  And I wouldn't give a damn.     

 

 

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Miami K Jose Borregales is the winner of the Lou Groza Award
 
That's all the time I will be spending on draft eligible placekickers :D... find a way..  4 yr. Career X-points- 168 of 171...
 
 
 
 
 
   MLB - Clemson- James Skalski is returning to Clemson :ph34r:
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Time to start compiling tape list of award finalist candidates... announced WINNERS are in BOLD

IOMEDIA KITSPROGRAMMINGAB

Finalists Announced for ESPN’s 30th Annual The Home Depot College Football Awards

  • Show Set for Thursday, Jan. 7, at 7 p.m. ET, on ESPN

The finalists have been named for the National College Football Awards Association (NCFAA) honors presented at The Home Depot College Football Awards. This year’s awards show will be presented virtually on Thursday, Jan. 7, at 7 p.m. ET, on ESPN. ESPN’s Rece Davis will host the 90-minute special, joined by reporter Holly Rowe.

The Home Depot College Football Awards Finalists

NCFAA awards announced during The Home Depot College Football Awards:

Chuck Bednarik Award
College Defensive Player of the Year
Zaven Collins, Tulsa (Jr.)
Jeremiah Oswusu-Koramoah, Notre Dame (Sr.) Patrick Surtain II, Alabama (Jr.)
Biletnikoff Award
Outstanding Receiver
Elijah Moore, Ole Miss (Jr.)
Kyle Pitts, Florida (Jr.)
DeVonta Smith, Alabama (Sr.)
Lou Groza Collegiate Place-Kicker Award
Nation’s Outstanding Placekicker
Jose Borregales, Miami (Sr.)
Jake Oldroyd, BYU (So.)
Will Reichard, Alabama (So.)
Ray Guy Award
College Punter of the Year
Jake Camarda, Georgia (Jr.)
Pressley Harvin III, Georgia Tech (Sr.)
Lou Hedley, Miami (Jr.)
Maxwell Award
College Player of the Year
Mac Jones, Alabama (Jr.)
Trevor Lawrence, Clemson (Jr.)
DeVonta Smith, Alabama (Sr.)
Davey O’Brien National Quarterback Award
Nation’s Best Quarterback
Mac Jones, Alabama (Jr.)
Trevor Lawrence, Clemson (Jr.)
Kyle Trask, Florida (Sr.)
Outland Trophy
Nation’s Most Outstanding Interior Lineman
Liam Eichenberg, Notre Dame (Gr.)
Alex Leatherwood, Alabama (Sr.)
Daviyon Nixon, Iowa (Jr.)
Paycom Jim Thorpe Award
Nation’s Best Defensive Back
Richie Grant, UCF (Sr.)
Trevon Moehrig, TCU (Jr.)
Patrick Surtain II, Alabama (Jr.)
Doak Walker Award
Nation’s Premier Running Back
Travis Etienne, Clemson (Sr.)
Breece Hall, Iowa State (So.)
Najee Harris, Alabama (Sr.)

Butkus Award

Best Linebacker

Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, Notre Dame (Nick Bolton-MS/Zaven Collins-Tulsa/Devin LLoyd-Utah/Monty Rice-Georgia)

Additional honors recognized during The Home Depot College Football Awards:

The Home Depot Coach of the Year

 

 

Winner announced January 5
William V. Campbell Trophy Presented By Mazda
Scholar-Athlete 
Full list of finalists available here.
Disney Spirit Award
Most Inspirational Player or Team 
Darien Rencher, Clemson (Sr.)
The Allstate AFCA Good Works Team Team Captain: Telton Saltes, New Mexico (Sr.)
Full list of team members available here.
Walter Camp All America Team   Full team announced on January 7.
John Mackey Award
Outstanding Tight End 
Charlie Kolar, Iowa State (Jr.)
Kyle Pitts, Florida (Jr.)
Jalen Wydermyer, Texas A&M (So.)
Rimington Trophy
Outstanding Center 
Landon Dickerson, Alabama (Sr.)
Tyler Linderbaum, Iowa (So.)
Josh Myers, Ohio State (Jr.)
Wuerffel Trophy
Community Service
Sam Ehlinger, Texas (Sr.)
Teton Saltes, New Mexico (Sr.)
Shai Werts, Georgia Southern (Sr.)

 

Other awards given this postseason:

 

Broyles Award
Assistant Coach of the Year
Marcus Freeman, Cincinnati
Jeff Grimes, BYU
Mike Hankwitz, Northwestern
Steve Sarkisian, Alabama
Kane Wommack, Indiana
Burlsworth Trophy
College football’s most outstanding player who began his career as a walk-on
Dax Milne, BYU (Jr.)
Grant Morgan, Arkansas (Sr.)
Jimmy Morrissey, Pitt (Sr.)

      https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-awards-complete-list-of-all-winners-for-2020-21-season/

Senior bowl 22 days away.. Underclassmen have 10 days to declare if* by the 18th..

Tracker Time.. https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2021-nfl-draft-underclassmen-tracker-college-football-players-leaving-early/

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I see that Collins of Tulsa won for LBs. He may still be on the board when we pick. And there is my Aggie TE up for Mackey Award, the soph I was telling you about for 2022 draft was in the final 3 along with two Juniors. Pitts deserved it and I doubt he will still be there past top 10. And Safety Moehrig won the DBs award. He might still be there for us, a big "Might" though. Surprised he got it over Surtain.

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17 hours ago, gumby73 said:
That's all the time I will be spending on draft eligible placekickers :D... find a way..  4 yr. Career X-points- 168 of 171...

Doesn't the NCAA still kick from the 3?

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18 hours ago, gumby73 said:
Miami K Jose Borregales is the winner of the Lou Groza Award
 
That's all the time I will be spending on draft eligible placekickers :D... find a way..  4 yr. Career X-points- 168 of 171...
 
 
 
 
 
   MLB - Clemson- James Skalski is returning to Clemson :ph34r:

Unless we are looking at the next Justin Tucker (I don’t know if that is the case maybe it is). 

I would prefer to hold a workout on a windy May evening and take a free agent rookie or even a vet that can handle our stadium.

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8 hours ago, gumby73 said:

Time to start compiling tape list of award finalist candidates... announced WINNERS are in BOLD

IOMEDIA KITSPROGRAMMINGAB

Finalists Announced for ESPN’s 30th Annual The Home Depot College Football Awards

  • Show Set for Thursday, Jan. 7, at 7 p.m. ET, on ESPN

The finalists have been named for the National College Football Awards Association (NCFAA) honors presented at The Home Depot College Football Awards. This year’s awards show will be presented virtually on Thursday, Jan. 7, at 7 p.m. ET, on ESPN. ESPN’s Rece Davis will host the 90-minute special, joined by reporter Holly Rowe.

The Home Depot College Football Awards Finalists

NCFAA awards announced during The Home Depot College Football Awards:

Chuck Bednarik Award
College Defensive Player of the Year
Zaven Collins, Tulsa (Jr.)
Jeremiah Oswusu-Koramoah, Notre Dame (Sr.) Patrick Surtain II, Alabama (Jr.)
Biletnikoff Award
Outstanding Receiver
Elijah Moore, Ole Miss (Jr.)
Kyle Pitts, Florida (Jr.)
DeVonta Smith, Alabama (Sr.)
Lou Groza Collegiate Place-Kicker Award
Nation’s Outstanding Placekicker
Jose Borregales, Miami (Sr.)
Jake Oldroyd, BYU (So.)
Will Reichard, Alabama (So.)
Ray Guy Award
College Punter of the Year
Jake Camarda, Georgia (Jr.)
Pressley Harvin III, Georgia Tech (Sr.)
Lou Hedley, Miami (Jr.)
Maxwell Award
College Player of the Year
Mac Jones, Alabama (Jr.)
Trevor Lawrence, Clemson (Jr.)
DeVonta Smith, Alabama (Sr.)
Davey O’Brien National Quarterback Award
Nation’s Best Quarterback
Mac Jones, Alabama (Jr.)
Trevor Lawrence, Clemson (Jr.)
Kyle Trask, Florida (Sr.)
Outland Trophy
Nation’s Most Outstanding Interior Lineman
Liam Eichenberg, Notre Dame (Gr.)
Alex Leatherwood, Alabama (Sr.)
Daviyon Nixon, Iowa (Jr.)
Paycom Jim Thorpe Award
Nation’s Best Defensive Back
Richie Grant, UCF (Sr.)
Trevon Moehrig, TCU (Jr.)
Patrick Surtain II, Alabama (Jr.)
Doak Walker Award
Nation’s Premier Running Back
Travis Etienne, Clemson (Sr.)
Breece Hall, Iowa State (So.)
Najee Harris, Alabama (Sr.)

Butkus Award

Best Linebacker

Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, Notre Dame (Nick Bolton-MS/Zaven Collins-Tulsa/Devin LLoyd-Utah/Monty Rice-Georgia)

Additional honors recognized during The Home Depot College Football Awards:

The Home Depot Coach of the Year

 

 

Winner announced January 5
William V. Campbell Trophy Presented By Mazda
Scholar-Athlete 
Full list of finalists available here.
Disney Spirit Award
Most Inspirational Player or Team 
Darien Rencher, Clemson (Sr.)
The Allstate AFCA Good Works Team Team Captain: Telton Saltes, New Mexico (Sr.)
Full list of team members available here.
Walter Camp All America Team   Full team announced on January 7.
John Mackey Award
Outstanding Tight End 
Charlie Kolar, Iowa State (Jr.)
Kyle Pitts, Florida (Jr.)
Jalen Wydermyer, Texas A&M (So.)
Rimington Trophy
Outstanding Center 
Landon Dickerson, Alabama (Sr.)
Tyler Linderbaum, Iowa (So.)
Josh Myers, Ohio State (Jr.)
Wuerffel Trophy
Community Service
Sam Ehlinger, Texas (Sr.)
Teton Saltes, New Mexico (Sr.)
Shai Werts, Georgia Southern (Sr.)

 

Other awards given this postseason:

 

Broyles Award
Assistant Coach of the Year
Marcus Freeman, Cincinnati
Jeff Grimes, BYU
Mike Hankwitz, Northwestern
Steve Sarkisian, Alabama
Kane Wommack, Indiana
Burlsworth Trophy
College football’s most outstanding player who began his career as a walk-on
Dax Milne, BYU (Jr.)
Grant Morgan, Arkansas (Sr.)
Jimmy Morrissey, Pitt (Sr.)

      https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-awards-complete-list-of-all-winners-for-2020-21-season/

Senior bowl 22 days away.. Underclassmen have 10 days to declare if* by the 18th..

Tracker Time.. https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2021-nfl-draft-underclassmen-tracker-college-football-players-leaving-early/

I think a lot of these are  poor choices....or just cop outs. 

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7 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

I see that Collins of Tulsa won for LBs. He may still be on the board when we pick. And there is my Aggie TE up for Mackey Award, the soph I was telling you about for 2022 draft was in the final 3 along with two Juniors. Pitts deserved it and I doubt he will still be there past top 10. And Safety Moehrig won the DBs award. He might still be there for us, a big "Might" though. Surprised he got it over Surtain.

Zaven Collins - he's that good. I was watching him keenly in their last game - and he didn't get to do much. Made a few tackles, once went into the backfield on a rush - he was on the right side, the qb rolled out to his right, and Collins forced him out of bounds on the far side of the field. I was hoping to get a better look at the bowl game, but nope.

   What was frustrating - the opposing team ran away from his side most of the game. It was amazing. They threw downfield, or ran up the middle, or to their right. In other games, Collins reminds me a little bit of Clay Mathews. Mathews is 6'3", 255. Collins is 6'4", 260, and has excellent instincts. And he plays sideline to sideline.

   Collins just this past season, had 4 sacks, 2 fumbles, 4 interceptions, and 2 TD's.

he can really move too -

 

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having said that, I am also keenly interested in

Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah

"The next great hybrid player, Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah blurs the line between linebacker and safety. Notre Dame was as comfortably lining him up in the slot as they were rushing him off the edge. A Swiss-army-knife, his blend of length at 6’1″ and speed make his floor tremendous.

However, weighing in at only 216 pounds, I do have some concerns about whether or not he can be an impact between the tackles in the NFL. How Notre Dame uses Owusu-Koramoah this year will likely dictate whether or not the NFL views him more as a safety or a linebacker.

Explosion like this is unfair form the a linebacker spot. Notre Dame’s Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah(#6) gets after the quarterback in an instant off the weakside blitz. pic.twitter.com/sJV0HtXFxL

— Matt Valdovinos (@MVScouting) June 6, 2020"

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   just my opinion, he could be an all pro safety, obviously a bit light for full time lb. Bolton - has been mentioned - he's very good, but smallish - 6', 235. I like a bigger lb. and very fast at the same time. Not easy to find.

Owusu-Koramoah is just amazing. He is on my early list for the Browns first round draft pick.  but it's way too early.

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"As expected, Notre Dame All-America linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah has declared for the 2021 NFL Draft. A two-year starter at rover, Owusu-Koramoah had back-to-back brilliant seasons for the Irish defense. The Hampton, Va. native racked up 142 tackles ... "

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   However - there is a good bit of talk - about the broncos drafting Owusu with their overall ninth pick.

   dammit.

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2 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

Clay Mathews. Mathews is 6'3", 255. Collins is 6'4", 260,

tia's gonna hate this, but...

In Mathews' day we ran a pure 3-4 and at Tulsa they run a 3-3-5. So I have to ask... is he a fit for us?

Granted... we can change our D to use him, but we are going to need to sign/draft with that in mind.

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1 hour ago, Tour2ma said:

tia's gonna hate this, but...

In Mathews' day we ran a pure 3-4 and at Tulsa they run a 3-3-5. So I have to ask... is he a fit for us?

Granted... we can change our D to use him, but we are going to need to sign/draft with that in mind.

Zaven is a SAM backer in whatever system you put him.  If he does check in at 260 (a VERY heavy off-ball linebacker) then the tape doesn't show it.  Because he moves pretty decent for somebody at that weight from the little I've seen.

 

4 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

 

   However - there is a good bit of talk - about the broncos drafting Owusu with their overall ninth pick.

   dammit.

Watched the ND - Clemson and Bama games.

Shades of how Hitman Harry was used at ND and Minny, both the good and the not-so-good.

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