TexasAg1969 Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 7 hours ago, tiamat63 said: * After tonight, just checking back in. Scouts are going to look twice at Fields spotty off-speed throwing when coming off his primary and most importantly - leading his targets into harms way (Battle's hit on Ruckert) Well it appeared to me that the Heisman Trophy winner got knocked out of the game by a similar throw from Bama's QB. Fair to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Well it appeared to me that the Heisman Trophy winner got knocked out of the game by a similar throw from Bama's QB. Fair to say? I was too fucked up to recall that specifically and I'm too hungover now to care at this moment. I'll come back to this later when I'm of sound mind and body. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 8 hours ago, tiamat63 said: * After tonight, just checking back in. Wade is out of the 1st barring some dumb move by a GM or destroying the combine and convincing scouts it the coaches fault at tOSU. Scouts are going to look twice at Fields spotty off-speed throwing when coming off his primary and most importantly - leading his targets into harms way (Battle's hit on Ruckert) First time I can remember seeing my HS's old 4-4-3 in a college game. WTF was up with that? For that reason only do I give Wade a shot scouts mitigate the damage down to his status. Seemed like only Buckeye defender that might have helped himself was Werner. Harrison did not hurt himself. O-side? No telling the damage his injury did to Wyatt Davis' stock. Kid was being bandied about as a 1st rounder. And while not expected to come out in 2021, Josh Meyers did himself no favors. Olave is solid. Farrell may have helped himself the most throughout the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 56 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Well it appeared to me that the Heisman Trophy winner got knocked out of the game by a similar throw from Bama's QB. Fair to say? He certainly led him that way, but it was the bobbling of the catch that kept Smith from avoiding, or at least preparing for, Werner's hit... which really wasn't all that vicious. I think Smith's hand/finger just got bent the wrong way in the pancake that followed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 When you have a question about a sports injury, Sutterer's analysis is usually pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: When you have a question about a sports injury, Sutterer's analysis is usually pretty good. Thanks... I've seen that before. Good speculation, but it is just that. One thing I use, even tho info is limited unless you pay, is https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/ The site uses past injury histories to project durability. I look at the histories of FAs and potential draft picks.The cost part involves the projections for season-long, $$$'s will change hands, FF leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 Cranked back up theDraftNetwork mock. Disappointed to see that the trade feature is now part of the premium package, but... Anyway here's a 5-rounder I did and the Top ten picks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 Not that any of this is realistic, but I like that trades have been disabled. Too many people make trades like it is some fantasy game. At least this way you get stuck with who is available, much like a real draft. It doesn't become plucking all the premium players or all OSU players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 Here's the 7-rounder I did at DraftNetwork.. Interesting to see the 6'6 WR available in the 7th and Cisco sitting there in the 3rd 26. Nick Bolton LB, Missouri 58. Patrick Jones II EDGE, Pittsburgh 89. Andre Cisco S, Syracuse 91. Alim McNeill IDL, NC State 110. Jordan Smith EDGE, UAB 130. DJ Daniel CB, Georgia 168. Ihmir Smith-Marsette WR, Iowa 206. Rachad Wildgoose Jr. CB, Wisconsin 250. Warren Jackson WR, Colorado State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 I saw another mock that had Patrick Jones II as the Browns #26 overall pick. I'm curious to where most draft sites have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Unsympathetic said: Here's the 7-rounder I did at DraftNetwork.. Interesting to see the 6'6 WR available in the 7th and Cisco sitting there in the 3rd 26. Nick Bolton LB, Missouri 58. Patrick Jones II EDGE, Pittsburgh 89. Andre Cisco S, Syracuse 91. Alim McNeill IDL, NC State 110. Jordan Smith EDGE, UAB 130. DJ Daniel CB, Georgia 168. Ihmir Smith-Marsette WR, Iowa 206. Rachad Wildgoose Jr. CB, Wisconsin 250. Warren Jackson WR, Colorado State Watched two games of Cisco. If he's the #1 safety in this class, then I don't want to see the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 55 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Watched two games of Cisco. If he's the #1 safety in this class, then I don't want to see the rest. Did i read somewhere in a thread, that you watched the better Cuse player that maybe a fit? https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/ifeatu-melifonwu/yjuBjN1Blt i looked back but can't find it..thanks.... hope is.. is to take Claypool's size & speed away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 59 minutes ago, gumby73 said: Did i read somewhere in a thread, that you watched the better Cuse player that maybe a fit? https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/ifeatu-melifonwu/yjuBjN1Blt i looked back but can't find it..thanks.... hope is.. is to take Claypool's size & speed away No, I haven't. You're thinking of @calfoxwc reference to Owawu (spell check) from ND. I'm going through DB's I like first. I'm still wrapping up Kary Vincent. At the urging of a friend who texted me, I'll be moving on to Cal's boy 2nd in my viewings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: I saw another mock that had Patrick Jones II as the Browns #26 overall pick. I'm curious to where most draft sites have him. The ACC has 4 very good DE's... The U's Rousseau, I'd be very shocked if he's still hanging around after pick 15.. Clemson's DE Xavier Thomas fits more of a 3-4 scheme.. The 2 left that scheme well to us would be Pitt's Patrick Jones II.. Than Wake Forest DE Carlos 'boogie' Basham jr. Both bring 6'5 frames..Basham brings straight-line 275lbs/ Jones is a leaner 260, with multi pass rushing moves.. Imho acc viewing opinion... Most of Patrick Jones snaps have come from Garrett's side..He's never been asked to standup at the LOS to play at Pitt... Boogie Basham has gametape of playing both DE sides, including lining him up as a interior rusher player as a rover DT.. both these 2 cats ^^ can straight up play with huge motors that burr thru 4 quarters.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 On 1/12/2021 at 1:19 AM, tiamat63 said: * After tonight, just checking back in. Wade is out of the 1st barring some dumb move by a GM or destroying the combine and convincing scouts it the coaches fault at tOSU. Scouts are going to look twice at Fields spotty off-speed throwing when coming off his primary and most importantly - leading his targets into harms way (Battle's hit on Ruckert) I agree. I don't usually watch much OSU football anymore. Every time they play, there is almost a more interesting game to watch. I had heard much about Wade. I know one game probably doesn't tell the whole story, but the guy looked extremely slow for a touted top level corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Watched two games of Cisco. If he's the #1 safety in this class, then I don't want to see the rest. It's not a strong safety (no pun intended) class this year, but TCU's Moehrig is worth a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 hours ago, ballpeen said: Not that any of this is realistic, but I like that trades have been disabled. Too many people make trades like it is some fantasy game. At least this way you get stuck with who is available, much like a real draft. It doesn't become plucking all the premium players or all OSU players. Well....It IS some kind of a fantasy game really, these draft sites. Fair to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 hours ago, ballpeen said: I like that trades have been disabled. DraftNetwork's trades were reasonable as opposed to FirstPick's tradefests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 Looking into my latest effort more and I really it... Bolton (ILB, Missou)... addressed him in tia's Prospect thread... he's the modern MIKE. Basham (Edge, Wake)... besides being a great name for an Edge he has 4-3 size (6'4, 275), power and pass-rush tech. Not a burst-guy, edge bender, but has decent speed. Tuipulotu (IDL, USC)... every team needs a Samoan IDL... he's 6'4, 295 stout against the run with agility, a strong bull rush and a high-motor. Sermon (RB, tOSU)... had no plans to take him, but sitting there around this pick? He's my "Chubb got too expensive" insurance policy. Huhanga (S, USC)... at 6'1, 215 he feels more like a SS/hybrid LB, also lacks FS speed with mid-4.5s 40 speed, but reportedly hits hard and should be a ST standout Schwartz (WR, Auburn)... 6'0, 187 and runs in the mid-4.3s and is quick as well as fast... route tree needs work and body needs mass... developmental WR. Mond (QB, TAMU)... cause DePo told me to... plus "you should always be looking for your next QB" is my motto, so who better than my 2020 "Darkhorse"... great mechanics. Only did five rounds as site was acting up last night... In rounds 6 and 7 Trevor Lawrence was being taken every third pick... And @tiamat63 your CB, Vincent, went a couple picks before I took Huhanga in the 4th. I had my eye on him and per their ranking he should have still comfortably been there for our 2nd, 4th-round pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Looking into my latest effort more and I really it... Bolton (ILB, Missou)... addressed him in tia's Prospect thread... he's the modern MIKE. Basham (Edge, Wake)... besides being a great name for an Edge he has 4-3 size (6'4, 275), power and pass-rush tech. Not a burst-guy, edge bender, but has decent speed. Tuipulotu (IDL, USC)... every team needs a Samoan IDL... he's 6'4, 295 stout against the run with agility, a strong bull rush and a high-motor. Sermon (RB, tOSU)... had no plans to take him, but sitting there around this pick? He's my "Chubb got too expensive" insurance policy. Huhanga (S, USC)... at 6'1, 215 he feels more like a SS/hybrid LB, also lacks FS speed with mid-4.5s 40 speed, but reportedly hits hard and should be a ST standout Schwartz (WR, Auburn)... 6'0, 187 and runs in the mid-4.3s and is quick as well as fast... route tree needs work and body needs mass... developmental WR. Mond (QB, TAMU)... cause DePo told me to... plus "you should always be looking for your next QB" is my motto, so who better than my 2020 "Darkhorse"... great mechanics. Only did five rounds as site was acting up last night... In rounds 6 and 7 Trevor Lawrence was being taken every third pick... And @tiamat63 your CB, Vincent, went a couple picks before I took Huhanga in the 4th. I had my eye on him and per their ranking he should have still comfortably been there for our 2nd, 4th-round pick. Was told Huhanga is the next Su'a Cravens. Haven't been able to confirm that on film yet. But yes, Kary most likely won't go before the late 3rd because of the "slot" label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 7 hours ago, tiamat63 said: No, I haven't. You're thinking of @calfoxwc reference to Owawu (spell check) from ND. I'm going through DB's I like first. I'm still wrapping up Kary Vincent. At the urging of a friend who texted me, I'll be moving on to Cal's boy 2nd in my viewings. Don’t forget Jack Sanborn. ILB Wisconsin. He impressed me against OSU 2019-2020 season Scratch it. He’s returning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 Did a 7-rounder today... and Trevor Lawrence was only selected 5 or 6 time in the 7th round... ... I'd say they have a glitch. DraftNetwork's fee for Premium in only $25 (round numbers).... and you get a lot more than trading in their Mock Machine. Anyway here's the latest. Some picks were the same... some not. Bolton (same)... my MIKE... Holland (FS, Oregon)... DraftNet's write up on the kid is to say the least glowing. Tuipulotu (same)... versatile, 3-down IDL Jones II (Edge, Pitt)... while not as keen on him as some here due to frame questions, he looks to be a great, Round 3 value. Vincent, Jr. (CB, DBU)... for @tiamat63 (see write up on him below) Imatorbhebhe (WR, Illinois)... our new biggun... 6'2, 215 with good speed and agility. Mond (same)... love me some Darkhorse QB draftin' Darden (WR, North Texas)... our new, 5'9, 170# waterbug described as having "elite levels of twitch". Morrissey (IOL, Pitt)... 6'3, 300# "technician" in PassPro and ZBS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 54 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Did a 7-rounder today... and Trevor Lawrence was only selected 5 or 6 time in the 7th round... ... I'd say they have a glitch. DraftNetwork's fee for Premium in only $25 (round numbers).... and you get a lot more than trading in their Mock Machine. Anyway here's the latest. Some picks were the same... some not. Bolton (same)... my MIKE... Holland (FS, Oregon)... DraftNet's write up on the kid is to say the least glowing. Tuipulotu (same)... versatile, 3-down IDL Jones II (Edge, Pitt)... while not as keen on him as some here due to frame questions, he looks to be a great, Round 3 value. Vincent, Jr. (CB, DBU)... for @tiamat63 (see write up on him below) Imatorbhebhe (WR, Illinois)... our new biggun... 6'2, 215 with good speed and agility. Mond (same)... love me some Darkhorse QB draftin' Darden (WR, North Texas)... our new, 5'9, 170# waterbug described as having "elite levels of twitch". Morrissey (IOL, Pitt)... 6'3, 300# "technician" in PassPro and ZBS. The pros look good. The "route anticipation" part doesn't sit with me. I've seen the calls LSU makes (currently time stamping the LSU-Texas game) and I'm not overly fond of their alignments against trips. Against UCF when Greedy sat out, Kary played on the perimeter almost exclusively and showed some great footwork & hip fluidity. I tend to lead towards the "trail" being about athletic ability. And that's why I bring up some one like Jaire Alexander who plays somewhat similar. Staying on top as a smaller corner is a good way to get boxed out by bigger receivers. So why not trail and use my speed + vertical to force not only the WR, but the QB to beat me with ball placement? He does get hung up on blocks when engaged, but he's 5'10... It's the trade off. When he has an open alley he looks quite aggressive downhill. I even tagged the instances in the clip I linked when I first watched him. Have to disagree with Marino on that part. His draw back is what it is - size. I'm willing to live wirh that in a pass happy NFL. I can always put him on a hash in base ala what you're seeing with KC as we type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Speed kills.. Meanwhile... took FanSpeak's mock out for a spin using DraftTek's rankings (you chose from about a half dozen) and rankings still vary widely... to say the least. First surprise was my first pick: Barmore still there at #26. An even bigger surprise with Collins falling to Pick 59... I took him as my Will and situational MG bookend. Hufanga at #89 is a name from my DraftNetwork mocks; he had a higher ranking here. He can play both Safety spots, but seems headed for FS. Next came a LB pair... tsun's McGrone and tOSU's Werner... I think I'll assign them to be roommates... McGrone will be my MIKE while Werner works mostly as my SAM, but backs up both other LB roles. Another Safety at #129, and one I think I scouted last year... at any rate he's a 6'0, 200#, SS candidate with some FS potential and a ton of ST potential. A pair of WRs next, a true Mutt & Jeff (look it up kids) pair... Eskridge is a 5'9, 190# ankle-breaker while Grimes is 6'4, 215# with sub-4-4 speed (estimated). Wells is a big TE, 6'4, 250# I know nothing about other than he went to TCU and they pass a lot... I was just ready for the mock to be over and there wasn't a QB/RB/IOL/OT I was remotely interested in... Both tia's CB, Vincent, and my QB, Mond were taken a couple slots before I was poised to take them. Both were dipped out of the pile well above their ranking. Just made me look at more players I'd not read about. So my file and list of players to scout is growing nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 I don't think Collins will be there in the 2nd round either. He would be more likely to go even before our first pick IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Dearest Gipper, Since I was several weeks ahead of the experts in calling that Fields being the lock at #2 was shaky and given Wilson's tape the speculation would start after the NU game.... Does this make me an "expert"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 If I recall, you actually said that Fields could drop out the top half of the first round. And all I said was that most of the "experts" and that most mock drafts still had him in the Top 5. Which they may still do. I have not checked lately. I also said don't be surprised if Zach Wilson jumps over Fields, not because Fields would be "demoted" its just that people would begin to see how good Wilson could be.. I also said that if you think about it, after Lawrence, the next team that needed a QB may not be until pick 9 with Carolina....if NYJ decided to stick with Darnold. A lot of that has changed now. Lions want to move Stafford, so they at 7 will be in the market (I think that is where Kiper has Fields going). Could Philly at 6 want a QB also? And Kiper has the Falcons taking Wilson at #4. I had no inkling that ATL might have wanted to do that....but it makes some sense. New GM, new coach....they may want a new QB...like Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 I’ll be shocked if Fields is outside of the Top 10. You have his hometown team at 4. Maybe Philly Carolina Detroit Possibly Denver. Maybe NE moves up. He needs time - he could have used some more game reps but there is no denying the guy has some tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 13 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: I don't think Collins will be there in the 2nd round either. He would be more likely to go even before our first pick IMO. I thought you were a DraftTek disciple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: I thought you were a DraftTek disciple? Most of the time. 😁 Just not this time. But I would not mind Bolton either as out 1st rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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