"conservative" Republicans Put your money where your mouth is.

[osusev]

I see here and everywhere how the extreme right want to bring up how terrible socialized medicine is and how the government cant administer anything...

 

Here is your chance NOW!

 

REPEAL MEDICARE AND VA BENEFITS!

 

Those terrible programs are completely socialized and government administered, you should take those programs out while you still can since "socialized" medicine is so scary.

 

This whole right wing bs is just making me sick... On one hand they point to legacy health care costs of G.M. and say Look the Union should take on those costs so they can become more competitive.... FREE MARKET blah blah blah yet on the other they say NO REFORM our health care is awesome.....(even though we are ranked 37th in quality and number 1 in costs)

 

They keep talking about terrible socialized medicine and waiting lists...... THAN GO TO YOUR REPUBLICAN HEADQUARTERS AND FRIENDS AND START A PETITION TO REMOVE VA AND MEDICARE AND PUSH IT TO A FOR PROFIT PAY SYSTEM.

[Westside Steve]

I see here and everywhere how the extreme right want to bring up how terrible socialized medicine is and how the government cant administer anything...

 

Here is your chance NOW!

 

REPEAL MEDICARE AND VA BENEFITS!

 

Nah I have a better idea.

Cut the shit out of them so you can provide shitty care to illegals and idiots who don't feel like paying for it.

 

WSS

[Guest mz.]

I love Steve's answer. Absolutely typical.

 

Like we've been saying all along, Palinites like Steve will completely embrace "Socialism"/"handouts" as long as it directly benefits them or someone they care about. This is just another example of it.

[Mr. T]

How can the Republican party accomplish what you ask when they are in the minority here.

 

Reforming the Delivery of Health Care

 

did you catch what was said in the final 15 seconds of this video?

 

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. — Gerald Ford

[calfoxwc]

SEv,

 

if you don't know the difference between a gov program,

 

and a takeover of an entire medical

 

health care industry on the way to cap n tax the entire country into further skyrocketing debt,

 

and NEIU (Obama's union violent thugs) and ACORN (Saul Alinski students),

 

just try not to start threads about it because I know you want serious discussion on the board.

 

See? I gave you credit for almost sincerity.

[Westside Steve]

I love Steve's answer. Absolutely typical.

 

Like we've been saying all along, Palinites like Steve will completely embrace "Socialism"/"handouts" as long as it directly benefits them or someone they care about. This is just another example of it.

 

 

Which I think I admitted to freely did I not?

 

Sure (as I said) we do chip in for many things.

Still I believe we should take some responsibility for our well being.

Or admit to.

Something you Pelosi ites fail to see.

 

When Obammy gets some clue asd to what his plan MIGHT be we'll talk.

So far it looks like a POS.

 

If I thought it wopuld actually be better for anyone I'd be right on board.

So far you guys have jack shit.

 

WSS

[choco]

you're implying, albiet indirectly, that medicaid and the VA are good programs...

 

 

dont seem to remember the left bashing shrub for the Walter Reed fiasco, eh? they couldn't even take care of our vets IN A WARTIME....

 

medicaid....really? is that a xxxxing joke? it barely covers who it needs to, is grossly wasteful, and doesn't provide enough coverage....

 

 

 

those need fixed as well, because they are as efficient as a gov't can make them.

 

 

[heckofajobbrownie]

Son, Walter Reed is an Army hospital, not a VA hospital.

 

Also, osusev mentioned Medicare, and you went off on Medicaid.

 

So he made a point about Medicare and the VA, and you talked about two completely different things because you don't seem to know anything.

 

Which is pretty much what we're getting from the Republican base these days - a bunch of angry, ill-informed people who don't know anything acting like they're the only thing standing between America and Nazi Germany.

 

If it weren't so serious it'd be funny.

[Westside Steve]

Which is pretty much what we're getting from the Republican base these days - a bunch of angry, ill-informed people who don't know anything acting like they're the only thing standing between America and Nazi Germany.

 

If it weren't so serious it'd be funny.

So for clarification, you're proposing medicare for all? Or VA hospitals for all?

Are those programs your gold standard?

 

As for those evil Republicans Heck, they can't even threaten a filibuster.

 

Time for you to put up or shut up says I.

 

(of course that would man you had a frigging clue what the eventual Obama National Social Health system plan would or wouldn't do.

But at least you know you hate Republicans profit and corporations!!

Go get 'em angry boy.

WSS

 

[heckofajobbrownie]

Haha. I'm now firmly convinced that you're suffering from something. You've obviously slipped some in recent years. Your grammar is worse. The spelling mistakes have become more frequent. You rarely make any sense. One sentence is completely unrelated to the next sentence.

 

And my favorite part is where you lash out, telling me to put up or shut up, and then accuse me of being angry.

 

Oh, no, wait - my favorite part is where you make up my opinions for me and then denounce those.

 

Seriously, are you okay? What is it, Korsakoff Syndrome?

[Guest mz.]

If I thought it wopuld actually be better for anyone ME I'd be right on board.

So far you guys have jack shit.

 

WSS[/b]

 

Fixed for you.

 

Of course you don't want it "fixed." You're approaching Medicare age.

[osusev]

Cal and Company I dont think Medicare or the VA system is perfect because NOTHING CAN BE PERFECT........ However I would bet my left testicle that over 90% of the elderly on medicare are HAPPY THAT SYSTEM EXISTS.... They may not like everything and everything may not be covered but at least they are not afraid to go to a doctors office instead of the emergency room.

 

Do I think Tort reform needs to be more aggressive in conjunction with reform? YES because a lot of the ordered testing methodology that is unneeded is directly related to liability coverage methodology.....

 

I am just tired of the extremist and special interest from the insurance lobbyist distorting our entire system and the facts of existing systems we already have in place.

 

Socialized concepts of medicine here already exist and its not that scary. I dont think that totally necessary and believe we are smart enough to create a hybrid system that takes the best from both the free market and a government run check and balance system.

[Westside Steve]

However I would bet my left testicle that over 90% of the elderly on medicare are HAPPY THAT SYSTEM EXISTS....

 

Prisoners in the dungeon of the tower of London were glad there were occasional rats to eat.

 

So I'll ask anyone here with a nice plan:

Would you be happy if you were forced to give it up and placed on Medicare?

 

Don't lie to me boys.

 

WSS

[Westside Steve]

Fixed for you.

 

Of course you don't want it "fixed." You're approaching Medicare age.

 

Oh I pay a shitload for my care kid.

 

Actually my stepmother is nearly a vegetable.

She get's little help from Medicare and won't until my family is broke.

 

It isn't some terrible insurance company bankrupting them.

It's the US government.

 

I don't see the great glory ahead from the generosity of empty suit.

 

Maybe you can explain it?

 

I'd seriously like to hear you or anyone list the perks.

In realistic terms.

 

WSS

 

 

[Guest mz.]

So I'll ask anyone here with a nice plan:

Would you be happy if you were forced to give it up and placed on Medicare?

 

Don't lie to me boys.

 

WSS

 

I would not, but I have been given no reason to think the new plan would look anything like Medicare.

 

[calfoxwc]

Socialized concepts of medicine here already exist and its not that scary. I dont think that totally necessary and believe we are smart enough to create a hybrid system that takes the best from both the free market and a government run check and balance system. SEv

 

************************

 

Sev, you need to read the health care bill.

 

 

I believe it's about page 16? that outlaws staying with private insurance if you lose it, like you lose your job,

 

 

etc. It's a gradual elimination of private insurance. No free choice. If such a hybrid IS possible, it sure the hell isn't

 

 

with this health care disaster bill. Seriously, Sev, read it with me. I'm only on page 48. But it's really screwed up.

[osusev]

Cal reading the current bill(s) right now is premature.... AFTER August and they start making their adjustments and IF whatever bill(s) are sent to the presidents office AFTER all the changes is more important. Right now its a living document that no one knows how the finished product will look like IF it is sent for final approval by the President..

[calfoxwc]

Good point, Sev - but it's been delayed only by the Blue Dog democrats.

 

What's worrisome, is that without them, the current bill as is would have probably passed.

 

Not good. What's concerning also, is the intent of the writers of the bill per the Obama admin -

 

why did they write into the bill parts and pieces that are so objectionable to many, many upset Americans?

[Westside Steve]

I would not, but I have been given no reason to think the new plan would look anything like Medicare.

 

Right.

Then again we've been given no reason to believe it will be better than Medicare.

Possibly worse.

There are a few valid concerns that have not been answered.

Why?

Because they don't know or don't want us to know.

 

 

For efvery evil Republican who wants only to thwart Obama there are more who want to ramrod a bill through regardless of consequences or understanding to make him look good.

 

I've said again and again I'll support the guy if he and the Dems put together a good plan.

If you read anything I say you'll admit there aren't that many issues I attack him on.

 

You or any defender can list what this bill will or won't do and we can go from there.

 

WSS

 

 

 

[Westside Steve]

Haha. I'm now firmly convinced that you're suffering from something. You've obviously slipped some in recent years. Your grammar is worse. The spelling mistakes have become more frequent. You rarely make any sense. One sentence is completely unrelated to the next sentence.

 

And my favorite part is where you lash out, telling me to put up or shut up, and then accuse me of being angry.

 

Oh, no, wait - my favorite part is where you make up my opinions for me and then denounce those.

 

Seriously, are you okay? What is it, Korsakoff Syndrome?

 

Seriously are you as much of a choad as you seem?

(we know you aren't as smart as you think)

 

Actually it's called presumed histo plasmosis syndrome.

Plus I have this shitty eMac on the island.

Small keyboard.

I do apologize for the typos, but I can't help the fact you're unable to understand very much.

I mean if you don't know the difference between skinheads carrying swastikas and citizens who put the red slash through them.......

 

 

But sure you could put up or shut up but you can't.

Hence this bullshit.

 

WSS

[Guest mz.]

Steve, when has the swastika argument EVER been about "not knowing the difference"? Are you that thick? Many of us have explained our rationale many times here already.

[Westside Steve]

Steve,

I understand the point of the posters and all but there is nothing more reprehensible than equating a swastika with anything American,millions died under that sign and isnt right for anyone left or right to use this for political gain or more rightly shock value.

Lets stop trying to defend what is undeniably wrong.

 

Actually while we're being so honest let's say you point me to the outraged posts from you or Heck or anyone over the last eight years of comparing Bush to Hiler.

 

How about that?

If not then why not admit you didn't care until now?

WSS

[Guest mz.]

Go find some Hitler posts, Steve. Please. Go on. Chop chop.

[calfoxwc]

 

Analysis: Press Largely Ignored Incendiary Rhetoric at Bush Protest

 

News outlets that are focusing on the incendiary rhetoric of conservatives outside President Obama's town hall meeting Tuesday ignored the incendiary rhetoric -- and even violence -- of liberals outside an appearance by former President George W. Bush in 2002.

By Bill Sammon

 

FOXNews.com

 

Wednesday, August 12, 2009

 

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var L_VARS = {}; L_VARS.publisher_key=1566965288; L_VARS.guid=document.location.href; L_VARS.anchor="loomia_display"; var anchor=document.getElementsByTagName('HEAD')[0]; var script= document.createElement("SCRIPT"); script.src="http://widget-cache.loomia.com/js/onewidget_clix.js"; anchor.appendChild(script); News outlets that are focusing on the incendiary rhetoric of conservatives outside President Obama's town hall meeting Tuesday ignored the incendiary rhetoric -- and even violence -- of liberals outside an appearance by former President George W. Bush in 2002.

 

When Bush visited Portland, Ore., for a fundraiser, protesters stalked his motorcade, assailed his limousine and stoned a car containing his advisers. Chanting "Bush is a terrorist!", the demonstrators bullied passers-by, including gay softball players and a wheelchair-bound grandfather with multiple sclerosis.

 

One protester even brandished a sign that seemed to advocate Bush's assassination. The man held a large photo of Bush that had been doctored to show a gun barrel pressed against his temple.

 

"BUSH: WANTED, DEAD OR ALIVE," read the placard, which had an X over the word "ALIVE."

 

Another poster showed Bush's face with the words: "F--- YOU, MOTHERF---ER!"

 

A third sign urged motorists to "HONK IF YOU HATE BUSH." A fourth declared: "CHRISTIAN FASCISM," with a swastika in place of the letter S in each word.

 

Although reporters from numerous national news organizations were traveling with Bush and witnessed the protest, none reported that protesters were shrieking at Republican donors epithets like "Slut!" "Whore!" and "Fascists!"

 

Frank Dulcich, president and CEO of Pacific Seafood Group, had a cup of liquid thrown into his face, and then was surrounded by a group of menacing protesters, including several who wore masks. Donald Tykeson, 75, who had multiple sclerosis and was confined to a wheelchair, was blocked by a thug who threatened him.

 

Protesters slashed the tires of several state patrol cruisers and leapt onto an occupied police car, slamming the hood and blocking the windshield with placards. A female police officer was knocked to the street by advancing protesters, badly injuring her wrist.

 

The angry protest grew so violent that the Secret Service was forced to take the highly unusual step of using a backup route for Bush's motorcade because the primary route had been compromised by protesters, one of whom pounded his fist on the president's moving limousine.

 

All the while, angry demonstrators brandished signs with incendiary rhetoric, such as "9/11 - YOU LET IT HAPPEN, SHRUB," and "BUSH: BASTARD CHILD OF THE SUPREME COURT." One sign read: "IMPEACH THE COURT-APPOINTED JUNTA AND THE FASCIST, EGOMANIACAL, BLOOD-SWILLING BEAST!"

 

Yet none of these signs were cited in the national media's coverage of the event. By contrast, the press focused extensively on over-the-top signs held by Obama critics at the president's town hall event held Tuesday in New Hampshire.

 

The lead story in Wednesday's Washington Post, for example, is headlined: "Obama Faces 'Scare Tactics' Head-On."

 

"As the president spoke, demonstrators outside held posters declaring him a socialist and dubbing him 'Obamahdinejad,' in reference to Iran's president," the Post reported. "People screamed into bullhorns to protest a bigger government role in health care. 'Nobama Deathcare!' one sign read. A young girl held up a sign that said: 'Obama Lies, Grandma Dies.' Images of a protester wearing what appeared to be a gun were shown on television."

 

On Sunday, The New York Times reported that a Democratic congressman discovered that "an opponent of health care reform hanged him in effigy" and was confronted by "200 angry conservatives." The article lamented "increasingly ugly scenes of partisan screaming matches, scuffles, threats and even arrests."

 

No such coverage was given to the Portland protest of Bush by The New York Times or the Washington Post, which witnessed the protest.

 

Bill Sammon is vice president of news and the Washington managing editor of FOX News Channel.

 

 

[calfoxwc]

A third sign urged motorists to "HONK IF YOU HATE BUSH." A fourth declared: "CHRISTIAN FASCISM," with a swastika in place of the letter S in each word.

*************************

Which, Dan, you and mz the pussy surely defend Bush from this type of Un-American activity, right?

 

 

[heckofajobbrownie]

Steve, the point that you're missing is that you're defending the comparison between Obama and the Nazis, and the use of the swastikas, even going so far as to make it out to be some sort of high-brow history lesson on the perils of socialism.

 

None of us ever did that when some nut compared Bush to Hitler. Nor were the comparisons as frequent then as they are now.

 

That's why you're making us laugh/grimace.

[Kosar_For_President]

A third sign urged motorists to "HONK IF YOU HATE BUSH." A fourth declared: "CHRISTIAN FASCISM," with a swastika in place of the letter S in each word.

*************************

Which, Dan, you and mz the pussy surely defend Bush from this type of Un-American activity, right?

 

We all know after 8 years Bush was a f'uck up, OK he's a tard, got it, let's move on. I think I can speak for the both of them, it's a waste of f'cking time. Time which you don't have, Kruschev is coming to get ya.

 

[heckofajobbrownie]

And we're talking about providing health care to the millions of Americans who don't have it! Pull back for a second and think about that. This is a plan to regulate the insurance industry so they can't pick and choose who they cover and who they don't, and to create a larger public option for health insurance, and to subsidize the cost of insurance for people who can't afford the full cost. That's what this plan is.

 

And you guys are talking about how it's going to lead to the systematic extermination of certain unwanted populations, much like the Nazis.

 

This is why nobody takes you seriously except the similarly deranged.

[calfoxwc]

No, not true.

 

I don't see the cold-blooded plans to federally fund the death of millions of children up to two years old, called

 

"abortion", and I don't see the cold-bloodedness of revamping health care to deny health care and expensive life saving

 

medical procedures to the elderly if the "statists" deem it not cost-effective.

 

So, the swastika was of course, disgusting. It was totally uncalled for.

 

And the current use? Disgusting. But... IS it NOW also totally uncalled for, given that THIS president

 

has frightened MILLIONS of SENIOR CITIZENS in this country? And offend deeply opponents of abortion?

 

We told you all OBama supporters before the election that it was impossible to fund an American gov run health system

 

for all.

 

The Obama admin can't figure it out, and Congress can't figure it out, and the CBO says it can't be done.

 

How were we so wrong?

 

And, how is it, that the cold bloodedness of the life and death decisions of Americans will now be forced to

 

be controlled by the Obama admin?

 

I'm just looking for answers, and some genuine explanations. So far, I have personal attacks and slurs, and

anguish that the question was asked.

 

But no answer to the question. That is kinda concerning, isn't it?

[Westside Steve]

And we're talking about providing health care to the millions of Americans who don't have it! Pull back for a second and think about that.

 

 

But you refused to comment on that any time I bring it up. and just whine that somebody called Obammy a Nazi.

I understand it's easier to do that than argue a program you have no clue about.

You sound like Chris Crocker.

 

 

 

And I posted a link to a potpourri of Bush Hitler comparisons.

Not a peep.

 

Dick Durbin made a Nazi comparison.

Any outrage from you ? No?

 

So your bitch act is a little weak.

 

WSS