LondonBrown Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gorka said: Absolutely. Is he better than Baker was thought of being after his first few starts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 43 minutes ago, Gorka said: Absolutely. Ya! 6 TD’s and 4 Ints with a 1-4-1 record. Start up that bus to Canton! Christ I just watched Josh Allen miss the broad side of a barn all afternoon, he’s MVP candidate on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 I watched the game as well. How anyone can think Josh Allen is a better QB than Mayfield is beyond me. Mahomes probably is though 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, LondonBrown said: Well Baker and the Browns scored 40pts in a win in Baltimore last year ? That game is looking more and more like an aberration. But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception. I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least. What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: What about Mayfield would make them fear him? The unfortunate thing is that his decision-making and short-to-mid accuracy appeared to be strengths through the draft process. Arm strength.. not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: That game is looking more and more like an aberration. But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception. I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least. What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess? I certainly think he has a good enough arm, accuracy and athletic ability to make other teams worry. He can and he has been very good, he isn't perfect and he has also struggled at times. But I think we would be crazy to give up on him, we'd end up in "veteran" QB rotation AGAIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: That game is looking more and more like an aberration. But I will give that one to you. Mayfield threw for 342 yards on 20/30 passing, 1 touchdown and 1 interception. I still contend that neither the Steelers or Ravens fear Mayfield in the least. What about Mayfield would make them fear him? His mediocre arm? His so-so accuracy? His ability to read a defense? His athletic prowess? Ya... but there might be three - four whole QB’s in the league that scare NFL defenses.... and Lamar ain’t doing it with his arm And I don’t think Baker’s arm strength is really an issue.... when he is hitting passes 20-25 yards down field and you can hear it hit the WR’s hands on TV.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, hx214 said: Ya! 6 TD’s and 4 Ints with a 1-4-1 record. Start up that bus to Canton! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 I'd swap Mayfield for Burrows in a heartbeat and take my chances. I'd rather see a QB take his bumps and bruises his rookie year with a talentless team than be a one year wonder like Mayfield. Burrows is the typical AFCN North QB. Big at 6'4" 230. Cincy got him, Balt has Lamar, Pitt has Ben and and we got the midget. Todays QB must be able to pass from the pocket. Mayfield is horrible at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, LondonBrown said: I certainly think he has a good enough arm, accuracy and athletic ability to make other teams worry. He can and he has been very good, he isn't perfect and he has also struggled at times. But I think we would be crazy to give up on him, we'd end up in "veteran" QB rotation AGAIN. I don't think the Browns should give up on him, because there isn't a better alternative at the present time. But I do not see anything that makes me think he's going to be anything beyond an Andy Dalton caliber starting QB. I think that's about his ceiling. (Mind you, Andy Dalton put up a few pretty darn good seasons, but he's also someone who had a limited upside) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, hx214 said: Ya... but there might be three - four whole QB’s in the league that scare NFL defenses.... and Lamar ain’t doing it with his arm And I don’t think Baker’s arm strength is really an issue.... when he is hitting passes 20-25 yards down field and you can hear it hit the WR’s hands on TV.. I don't care how a QB puts fear into an opposing team. Baker doesn't scare anyone with his arm, or his accuracy, or his ability to read defenses, or his overall athletic ability. He peaked during his rookie season. When teams got film on him, his weaknesses have been exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: Andy Dalton put up a few pretty darn good seasons All of them with Jay Gruden as OC and a really good OL [whitworth / smith/ boling / zeitler and several C's] Speaking of Jacksonville [Jay's current team] they are the first team since the 1970 merger to have 5 different players attempt a field goal in 5 consecutive games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Gorka said: I'd swap Mayfield for Burrows in a heartbeat and take my chances. I'd give you both and take Justin Herbert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 hours ago, tiamat63 said: The antics Baker has shown previously - the flag plant, the slashing, the shit talk then silence into near cowering. That's shit fake tough guys do. It's easy to be loud when things are right or at minimum even. When they aren't? That's when bravado should give way to grit. Baker might not have the latter. He might not have the latter at that... certainly has shown a hint of it lately. But I'm not sure I agree with your take on the early antics... some were shoulder-chip related, some were "youthful exuberance", all were products of an attitude that I thought was real... and still do. I just see the motivations that brought them out as being extinguished... It's like how success destroyed every great Punk-rock band... terrible comp, but best I have ATM... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Tour2ma said: It's like how success destroyed every great Punk-rock band... terrible comp, but best I have ATM... Michael Graves hates you 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: I don't care how a QB puts fear into an opposing team. Baker doesn't scare anyone with his arm, or his accuracy, or his ability to read defenses, or his overall athletic ability. He peaked during his rookie season. When teams got film on him, his weaknesses have been exposed. ? If you don’t care how many NFL Qb’s scare other defenses then what is the point of bringing it up? My point is... if there is about a total of 3 QB’s that can take over games with the list you put together.... how do these other teams win games and make playoffs? For the last 21 years they have had nothing that even resembles an NFL QB outside of Derek Anderson for about a 10 game stretch and the way people talk on this board, unless you end up with the next Patrick Mahomes (who has Andy Reid btw) you should just flip the whole thing upside down and live in the basement until you can draft one. As a Browns fan, I’ll take a massive hard pass on flipping out a QB that broke the rookie TD record in 14 games, and is on pace to be one of three people in NFL history to throw for 3500 yards and 25+ TD’s in his first three season, With the offensive guru Hue Jackson and then Gregg Williams, and then Freddie “Moons Over My Hammy” Kitchens at the helm....so they can draft another maybe in the first round when they have glaring holes all over the place on defense. The kid posts over 100 QBR’s and rips off four wins in a season after an abortion and now having a rookie head coach, and people all over this board Stomping their feet and bitching how we could have had Josh Allen, who I just watched miss open receivers by 5-10 yards with 122 yards then complaining how great Joe Burrow is with 6 TD’s in 6 games throwing the ball 60 times a game going 1-4-1... I've been around This place since 2006 and there is possibly more sand in V’s now than there was the seasons they won 1 game in two years.... AND Ghoolie was still here 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 New wrinkle last couple of seasons is presnap motion changing the blocking assignments & run fits on the fly. Kollman describes It's not just that a play is a run.. it's how the plays are designed. That's why Rams are getting an effective running game out of UDFA's at RB. Could be that Stef's plays from the last few years are too predictable - need to include some of these ideas and overcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 hours ago, tiamat63 said: You're late though, I expected you to have this thread made by 6pm yesterday. I'm still waiting on answers to my questions I proposed in your last thread. Then, as expected, you went MIA until the Browns lost. Nearly an entire month. Pathetically fucking predictable. I just scrolled through this thread just to find if someone else had already said this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 13 hours ago, stillmotion said: Our team literally is at pace to make the playoffs, and you guys are trying to write off Baker when his ribs are messed up, we're missing lineman, and he plays one off game against a 4-0 team.... Look at the entire season, not just one game. We have one of the most deadly rushing attacks, so his stats won't be 5 TDs 500 yards every week. Rodgers and other QB's have off games, and most of you are forgetting, it's only his third season. Peyton Manning and Brett Favre weren't the killing gunslingers until later on. Let the kid get his chance this year, I still believe in him. Long time no see...! Guys, this was the one that said we should take Mayfield! Bring the torches! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 9 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: New wrinkle last couple of seasons is presnap motion changing the blocking assignments & run fits on the fly. Kollman describes It's not just that a play is a run.. it's how the plays are designed. That's why Rams are getting an effective running game out of UDFA's at RB. Could be that Stef's plays from the last few years are too predictable - need to include some of these ideas and overcome. I appreciate you linking that. The run fit/assignment changes from the motion is what i mentioned above. This brings actual video example of what I'm saying. Thank you for the find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 The bottom line is Baker has to be better. Is it ALL his fault? Hell no. What's the biggest problem? Baker can't pass to the middle of the field. As a rookie, that's where he feasted. Past two years? He's so scared to even LOOK in the middle, because when he does, it's a pick. He isn't seeing the field and he's now terrified to throw picks so he's trying to live on the sidelines and that's impossible. I can write a thesis about this but I don't have the time. Stefanski also got his ass kicked, and that's OK. He's a rookie and he probably feels like it. But if he can't fix Baker, and if he can't get Teller back on the field, we're in deep shit. Oh yeah, and FUCK YOU Vernon. I'm out. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 18 hours ago, Tacosman said: One way to increase the odds of doing that is fewer runs on 1st and 2nd down.....time and time again when baker struggles and the browns get thumped, when you go back and look at the game log on offense we see handoffs to the running backs which set up 2nd and 3rd and log. Converting more of those less efficient runs into first and second down play action passing is going to put Baker in a better situation... We did this against the Colts in the first half with great success. Probably our best half of football. It can be done, but it can't be done against Pittsburgh. I don't know if you saw the game, but Baker had absolutely NO time. It was a joke. I'm not giving him a pass because that pick-6 was total bullshit, but his 2nd pick I don't care about. He tried to make a play after running for his life and we essentially didn't even have a first down. Pittsburgh plays with the same amount of players that everyone else does. Why couldn't we block them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 20 hours ago, hx214 said: ? If you don’t care how many NFL Qb’s scare other defenses then what is the point of bringing it up? I never said anything about "how many NFL QBs scare other defenses". I said I don't care HOW other QBs scare defenses. You belittled Jackson by saying that he only scares defenses via his legs. Regardless of how, Jackson DOES scare opposing defenses. There's nothing in Mayfield's game that puts fear in an opposing defense. In fact, he probably struck more fear in opposing defenses during his rookie season than he does now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 20 hours ago, Tour2ma said: He might not have the latter at that... certainly has shown a hint of it lately. But I'm not sure I agree with your take on the early antics... some were shoulder-chip related, some were "youthful exuberance", all were products of an attitude that I thought was real... and still do. I just see the motivations that brought them out as being extinguished... It's like how success destroyed every great Punk-rock band... terrible comp, but best I have ATM... I guess I see it differently. Bakers exuberance was more outwardly focused - as the examples I said above. Somebody like Farve was more 'inward'... for lack of a better term. I.E. you saw the kid just having fun with his teammates and friends. I don't ever recall Brady ever starting some shit. But I'll be damned if he won't throw it back at you when you start it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 Captain Highthrow needs work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 On 10/19/2020 at 4:21 PM, Gorka said: Absolutely. Agreed. Burrow is better in every single aspect of the game. Only danger with him is his OL might get him killed. No team in the NFL would take Baker over Burrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 We're in trouble. Excellent film breakdown on why Baker is garbage at 4:06 in the video. No one here is saying Baker had no time to throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted October 21, 2020 Report Share Posted October 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, Gorka said: We're in trouble. Excellent film breakdown on why Baker is garbage at 4:06 in the video. No one here is saying Baker had no time to throw. Video doesn’t work Maybe because it’s Ryan Clark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hx214 Posted October 21, 2020 Report Share Posted October 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Neo said: Man.... that’s a hot take. “It’s a thin vail that Stephanski took his starting QB out of a blowout game who had a rib injury coming into the game to “protect” him. When it’s really him protecting his own job.” Wtf does that even mean? Maybe.... He wants to keep his starting QB healthy because it’s week 6 and they are 4-2? AND the Steelers are good this year based on Big Ben..... Ya.... it’s not their defense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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