MLD Woody Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 Browns Received: Odell Beckham Oliver Vernon Giants Received Kevin Zeitler Jabrill Peppers 1st Round Pick 3rd Round Pick (I'm combining the trades) Take away whatever bias you may have toward me or the fact that I'm asking this question. Just look at the pieces involved and how they're performing now. Would you undo this trade if you could? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 When it was being discussed by Bull & Fox before the trade happened I was against doing it. But I DID feel that we needed a true #1 receiver to set up Landry. When we DID the trade I was like, ok...we got our #1 receiver, lets see if the offense clicks. At this point, I think most of us would undo the trade...but we can't so the script isn't finished yet. And it's only the 1st game of the season. Let's see how it unfolds as the season goes on. This is an off-the-charts wacky year to be a new head coaching regime with new playbooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 Odell looks like a worthless #3 WR from the Jets' practice squad. I'm truly at a loss. I asked this yesterday and I was being serious...."what exactly does OBJ do?" I mean, how is he so bad? Look at Deondre Hopkins...he has like 15 catches for 150 yards. Wtf is the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 I dunno but Mayfield needs to bottle some of this Daniel “Danny Dimes” Jones grit and mojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, jiggins7919 said: Odell looks like a worthless #3 WR from the Jets' practice squad. I'm truly at a loss. I asked this yesterday and I was being serious...."what exactly does OBJ do?" I mean, how is he so bad? Look at Deondre Hopkins...he has like 15 catches for 150 yards. Wtf is the problem? 15 and 150 is not going to happen In this offense. Give me a couple big plays a game (no incredibly dumb stuff either or huge drops) and an active decoy presence and I’m happy. said it last week Landry and OBJ are a luxury in this offense. One will be out of town next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: I dunno but Mayfield needs to bottle some of this Daniel “Danny Dimes” Jones grit and mojo great timing hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, jiggins7919 said: Odell looks like a worthless #3 WR from the Jets' practice squad. I'm truly at a loss. I asked this yesterday and I was being serious...."what exactly does OBJ do?" I mean, how is he so bad? Look at Deondre Hopkins...he has like 15 catches for 150 yards. Wtf is the problem? Baker Mayfield. He looked really bad in the pocket yesterday and his accuracy was all over the map. His good throws were on the run. Obj could have easily gone over 100 yesterday if Mayfield was on the money. You all are blaming Obj but in my view from the outside looking in its Mayfield. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 5 hours ago, SdBacker80 said: said it last week Landry and OBJ are a luxury in this offense. One will be out of town next season. That's what I felt when the trade was made. We needed a receiver? Yes. But I would have gone for a bigger body and not someone who pretty much has a similar to Landry skillset. You could have paid way less and have a reliable 2 punch duo. Landry+OBJ is mortgaging the house on Baker, and it hasn't paid off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 5 hours ago, Vagitron said: Baker Mayfield. He looked really bad in the pocket yesterday and his accuracy was all over the map I have always been skeptical about picking Mayfield. I know a lot of people don't feel that way, but I was never really convinced that he was NFL material. He's flashed some since being in the league, but really seems like a one trick pony. I don't know what they saw in Mayfield, but passing on Josh Allen in hindsight seems really foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Neo said: I have always been skeptical about picking Mayfield. I know a lot of people don't feel that way, but I was never really convinced that he was NFL material. He's flashed some since being in the league, but really seems like a one trick pony. I don't know what they saw in Mayfield, but passing on Josh Allen in hindsight seems really foolish. I totally agree, I didn’t want Mayfield, I was hoping for a trade out of the 1st overall pick. Although Allen’s accuracy was a question mark, he would have been the pick in a trade down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 Mayfield doesn't look too great but beckham looks all but worthless. Whatever chemistry a qb and wr need to have it's not there. At all. I mean they can try with case keenum to see which one is the real problem but as of this moment I'd let beckham go and roll with landry as WR1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 And yes I'd rather have poopers and the picks back. I think you definitely put too much stock in the whole "browns fans hate him because he played for michigan" thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Vagitron said: Baker Mayfield. He looked really bad in the pocket yesterday and his accuracy was all over the map. His good throws were on the run. Obj could have easily gone over 100 yesterday if Mayfield was on the money. You all are blaming Obj but in my view from the outside looking in its Mayfield. You make an excellent point. I'm scared to death that Baker is completely ruined. He simply cannot make throws across the middle anymore. They are ALWAYS behind the receiver and Baker can't lead people properly. And WHAT THE EFF is going on with Baker's deep ball? Jesus Christ, Baker can't throw anything past 5 yards. He totally has the arm, but he does NOT have the accuracy. The scary thing is, that's exactly what he was known for, and now it's gone. Baker has one more game and then Case cometh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 11 hours ago, Vagitron said: Baker Mayfield. He looked really bad in the pocket yesterday and his accuracy was all over the map. His good throws were on the run. Obj could have easily gone over 100 yesterday if Mayfield was on the money. You all are blaming Obj but in my view from the outside looking in its Mayfield. I have no clue what Kevin Stefanski or Alex Van Pelt are attempting to do with him (Mayfield).... It or whatever they were trying to do on offense.. It looks almost void of any presnap reads.. It looks like what I call "The Dummy Offense" by where the QB has no audible system. (Like Norv Turners). But despite that.. Mayfield looks scrambled , lost and inaccurate... If I can borrow Butch Davis's beloved phrase.. "He (Mayfield) looked skittish out there" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 I got no idea how some 50 folks have voted?.. because in my vote box..it pops up, as no where to actually vote.. My vote is... No! the Giants paid Odel's 16M last season & Teller was the highest graded guard of week 1, (with far less $$ paid)...The picks given are to soon to judge, but i have my eyes on the giants Dexter Lawrence..The 3th given was traded.. I see Delpit as a better Safety choice than Peppers.. tick tock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 13 hours ago, MLD Woody said: Browns Received: Odell Beckham Oliver Vernon Giants Received Kevin Zeitler Jabrill Peppers 1st Round Pick 3rd Round Pick (I'm combining the trades) Take away whatever bias you may have toward me or the fact that I'm asking this question. Just look at the pieces involved and how they're performing now. Would you undo this trade if you could? Right now I don't know. This looked like the missing link to SB54 at the time it was made. Was OBJ really injured last year? Will he bounce back to form this year? He's on the clock every game now. NOTE: It won't help the defense right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, mjp28 said: Right now I don't know. This looked like the missing link to SB54 at the time it was made. Was OBJ really injured last year? Will he bounce back to form this year? He's on the clock every game now. NOTE: It won't help the defense right now. We needed LB'ers and LBer's in this draft.. But we got the fatass O lineman baby!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 I can't vote for some reason, but HELL YES. I didn't like it the second I saw it flash across the screen while at Chili's trying to enjoy my lunch.... The Browns owe me a lunch., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 8 hours ago, Nero said: That's what I felt when the trade was made. We needed a receiver? Yes. But I would have gone for a bigger body and not someone who pretty much has a similar to Landry skillset. You could have paid way less and have a reliable 2 punch duo. Landry+OBJ is mortgaging the house on Baker, and it hasn't paid off. I was excited about the trade. I just don’t see a need for both when we will be going 60-40 run pass split zone run with heavy TE involvement. Your WRs are key blockers here too and I don’t see that as a positive for OBJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 I don't know why some can't vote. Anything I can change through the moderator actions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 59 minutes ago, nickers said: We needed LB'ers and LBer's in this draft.. But we got the fatass O lineman baby!! We needed a LT... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: We needed a LT... I'd trade him for a pair of starting Linebackers about now. But I'm not over reacting. Week one, brand new coach, new offense, no preseason, playing last years number one seed at their place. I'll let it burn for a few more weeks. Don't really get all the Baker hate either. Four head coaches in three years. Four different offenses. Dude could be one of three players in NFL history to throw for 3500+ yards and 20 TD's (Manning and Luck are the only other two...) in their first three seasons and we are ready to move back into QB purgatory for another 10 seasons. That's a hard pass from me. Rewatch the tape from Derek Anderson to present and let me know who you'd take instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 3 hours ago, jiggins7919 said: You make an excellent point. I'm scared to death that Baker is completely ruined. He simply cannot make throws across the middle anymore. And WHAT THE EFF is going on with Baker's deep ball? Jesus Christ, Baker can't throw anything past 5 yards. Out of rhythm. I think he was scared to pile on picks so he didn’t even give OBJ a chance on 2 of those bombs. Maybe it was deliberate. Maybe he’s telling OBJ “you dropped a 3rd and 2 and it f%#*ed us, go catch these” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alporcini Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, hx214 said: I'd trade him for a pair of starting Linebackers about now. But I'm not over reacting. Week one, brand new coach, new offense, no preseason, playing last years number one seed at their place. I'll let it burn for a few more weeks. Don't really get all the Baker hate either. Four head coaches in three years. Four different offenses. Dude could be one of three players in NFL history to throw for 3500+ yards and 20 TD's (Manning and Luck are the only other two...) in their first three seasons and we are ready to move back into QB purgatory for another 10 seasons. That's a hard pass from me. Rewatch the tape from Derek Anderson to present and let me know who you'd take instead. I wonder what the ‘49ers would give us for OBJ. Would solve big issues for both squads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said: Maybe he’s telling OBJ “you dropped a 3rd and 2 and it f%#*ed us, go catch these” LMFAO, funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 3 hours ago, alporcini said: I wonder what the ‘49ers would give us for OBJ. Would solve big issues for both squads. https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/amp-2448/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 5 hours ago, nickers said: We needed LB'ers and LBer's in this draft.. But we got the fatass O lineman baby!! Hey, Ghoolie... pipe the fuck down. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 5 hours ago, alporcini said: I wonder what the ‘49ers would give us for OBJ. Would solve big issues for both squads. At this point I'd take a 4th and move on. I know it is early, but it just is not working with OBJ. It's a horrible fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 3 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Hey, Ghoolie... pipe the fuck down. Hey Tater Tot... Leave it alone... It'll grow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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