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15 hours ago, WarriorsRpussies said:

Please enlighten us with your wisdom.

Honestly Warrior, I don't want to go into it. I doubt that I'll say anything that changes your perspective. I just don't think people were booing "unity", that's all. 

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10 hours ago, jiggins7919 said:

Honestly Warrior, I don't want to go into it. I doubt that I'll say anything that changes your perspective. I just don't think people were booing "unity", that's all. 

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Soooo not trying to cause any heat. Just another perspective. I think this guy explains many of the moral inherent issues I see (and many others see) in the protests.
 

 

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On 9/13/2020 at 9:19 AM, Gorka said:

Aww poor Tex needs his safe space.

Got a suggestion for ya Gorka.... I've been out of the loop entertaining family from out of town for the past week.... Got some catching up to do... So take this to heart-  Z and me make the rules on this forum, so why don't you just run back to your little MAGA cesspool "safe space" where you can insult other posters with impunity?   

I don't put up with 1\10th of the crap here Steve lets fly under the radar there... 

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3 hours ago, hoorta said:

Got a suggestion for ya Gorka.... I've been out of the loop entertaining family from out of town for the past week.... Got some catching up to do... So take this to heart-  Z and me make the rules on this forum, so why don't you just run back to your little MAGA cesspool "safe space" where you can insult other posters with impunity?   

I don't put up with 1\10th of the crap here Steve lets fly under the radar there... 

Credit to Zombo - he practices what he preaches. Never had a problem with that all these years.

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On 9/10/2020 at 10:00 AM, Zombo said:

You all probably know that I hate politics on a Football Board, but I think this year, this thread is a "Necessary Evil" for people to discuss, and vent, about player protests and the NFL's response to social issues.

Also, it is a convenient way to keep all of that talk in one thread. If any mods see politics/protest threads outside of this thread, merge it or delete it. 

And as always, if this is a big issue for you, you are encouraged to visit our Political Forum where you can discuss freely and openly any issues you want to.

This forum is about football. But if these issues change how you feel about football, let's hear it.

My particular question to BB members is ... Will any player protests, or NFL support thereof, compel you to no longer watch and follow the Browns and /or NFL? 

I'll go first ... No. I'm all in.

Super Bowl.

Zombo

ummmm.....most of the folks i know stopped watching the nfl because of politics....touchy topic....myself.....i agree with the protests but i don't like it being done in any sport...it does not belong there...  football is entertainment, its one of the only things we have left....let it be.....its sad because there is no cure for what is going on, so i do not  see anything changing.....

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On 9/10/2020 at 10:54 AM, cambridgeho said:

This is a subject worth discussing. Each and everyone of us have our own opinion on this and we may disagree on it. Me personally, I still serve our country and will always stand for the flag. However, I also do what I do to ensure an individual's freedom. 

i am with you on that....

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On 9/10/2020 at 10:54 AM, cambridgeho said:

This is a subject worth discussing. Each and everyone of us have our own opinion on this and we may disagree on it. Me personally, I still serve our country and will always stand for the flag. However, I also do what I do to ensure an individual's freedom. 

let me add, i served  our country too...

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On 9/10/2020 at 11:11 AM, TypicalBrowns50 said:

I think every athlete thinking they are now Rosa parks is bad for the game. 

Athletes are irrelevant to political real world issues, but now believe they are just as involved as politicians which is laughable.

The NBA is way worse. What they are doing is asinine. I’m surprised they haven’t sacrificed a policeman at mid court before tip off at this point. They have really damaged their brand. Especially Lebum

 

thats a good point....however the politicians we have now are not really politicians either.....so how could they be any better....

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On 9/12/2020 at 10:08 AM, Gorka said:

My, my aren't we getting defensive there great American!  Did I say you were a leftist?  I didn't even imply it.

Going forward so as not to offend, I'll just disguise what is actually taking place using "politics" like everyone else.

Amid the infestation of um "politics" in the Arts, Hollywood, etc...is it too fucking much to ask to be able watch a goddamned football game on a Sunday afternoon without that shit?

Can you answer that with a yes or no?

 

 

i am so fucking with you on that......take y'alls fucking politics to washington dc and take it up with them....let just not football, but all sports the fuck alone...

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On 9/10/2020 at 12:38 PM, Canton Mike said:

Nope, I'm all in too.

I'm a 73 year old VietNam Vet & don't approve of public demonstrations (kneeling during the Anthem, etc), so I will refrain from watching until kickoff. That being said, I understand that others have as much right TO demonstrate as I have NOT to. Let's just keep all demonstrations non violent & not judge, make fun of, or belittle others for their viewpoints & beliefs.

GO BROWNS!!!

Mike

i hear you....wish they would not have to do it for any kind of entertaiment though....its not right.....football is supposed to be fun and this shit is not fun....again, take it to washington dc and demonstrate, not nfl stadiums....

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10 hours ago, browns52 said:

ummmm.....most of the folks i know stopped watching the nfl because of politics....touchy topic....myself.....i agree with the protests but i don't like it being done in any sport...it does not belong there...  football is entertainment, its one of the only things we have left....let it be.....its sad because there is no cure for what is going on, so i do not  see anything changing.....

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On 9/17/2020 at 4:51 PM, browns52 said:

again, take it to washington dc and demonstrate, not nfl stadiums....

They did, and got tear-gassed so that Captain Bonespurs could walk his fat ass across the street to a church that wants nothing to do with him and fake being a good Christian so the mouth-breathers who thump bibles  and still support one of the most morally deficient humans ever spawned can feel all warm and fuzzy inside. 

I guarantee all you "keep politics out of my sports" people would have raging boners if players held hands before the game to support law enforcement. Just call it for what it is - it's not that politics are getting inserted into sports that bothers you, its that POLITICS YOU DON'T AGREE WITH are being inserted into sports that bothers you. I don't see any of you complaining about how every pre-game show has turned into a hour long commercial for the armed forces, either. 

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Could this protest thread include a protest over the high cost of concessions at the stadium? Could it also be a protest over all the loud annoying rap and heavy-metal music they play between every play and that every stoppage such that you can’t hear yourself think?And adding to that all the advertising you’re bombarded with?

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I'll keep my personal politics out of this, but Dutch made some mighty good points.  It's all fine as long as what the other person is saying happens to agree with your POV- but if it's isn't... Just wow. 

Besides there being entrenched positions- that aren't going to be changed by any amount of reasoning- or unreasoning, the middle ground is rapidly becoming extinct. The sheer number of conspiracy theories out there, and people willing to believe them is plain getting out of hand. The general voting public seems to be getting dumber every day.... 

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The NFL chose to support Socialism, Anarchy and Marxism.

I stopped watched the NFL or supporting it in ANY way. It's funny the people in my life (work, family, friends) that are amazed. It's truly simple. Browns (NFL) fan for 50 years (1970-2019). Proud American since birth (1962-2020) for 58 years. 58-50 wins. I love my country and even in my nearly old age I will fight for her in any way I can.

I won't argue or fight with ANYONE here. There are lots of you who I have deep respect for including the originator of this page and the current moderator. I respect your right to feel the way you do. I expect the same. I do and will miss you guys. Love ya man.

PS: When and if Clay Matthews and Joe Thomas are inducted into the Hall Of Fame I will be there to cheer those guys. 

 

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3 hours ago, Furnier said:

The NFL chose to support Socialism, Anarchy and Marxism.

I stopped watched the NFL or supporting it in ANY way. It's funny the people in my life (work, family, friends) that are amazed. It's truly simple. Browns (NFL) fan for 50 years (1970-2019). Proud American since birth (1962-2020) for 58 years. 58-50 wins. I love my country and even in my nearly old age I will fight for her in any way I can.

I won't argue or fight with ANYONE here. There are lots of you who I have deep respect for including the originator of this page and the current moderator. I respect your right to feel the way you do. I expect the same. I do and will miss you guys. Love ya man.

PS: When and if Clay Matthews and Joe Thomas are inducted into the Hall Of Fame I will be there to cheer those guys. 

 

Take Ur bitch to the poly board.👩‍⚖️

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5 hours ago, Furnier said:

The NFL chose to support Socialism, Anarchy and Marxism.

I stopped watched the NFL or supporting it in ANY way. It's funny the people in my life (work, family, friends) that are amazed. It's truly simple. Browns (NFL) fan for 50 years (1970-2019). Proud American since birth (1962-2020) for 58 years. 58-50 wins. I love my country and even in my nearly old age I will fight for her in any way I can.

I won't argue or fight with ANYONE here. There are lots of you who I have deep respect for including the originator of this page and the current moderator. I respect your right to feel the way you do. I expect the same. I do and will miss you guys. Love ya man.

PS: When and if Clay Matthews and Joe Thomas are inducted into the Hall Of Fame I will be there to cheer those guys. 

 

Clay Mathews should get in this next HOF campaign... His daughter Jennifer has been banging the drum loudly on his behalf.. She astutely points out his numbers are comparable if not better than junior Seau's..

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16 hours ago, Furnier said:

The NFL chose to support Socialism, Anarchy and Marxism.

I blame revenue sharing... it was the gateway philosophy.

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12 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

I blame revenue sharing... it was the gateway philosophy.

Good old communism, great in theory but......people.

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16 hours ago, Furnier said:

The NFL chose to support Socialism, Anarchy and Marxism.

I stopped watched the NFL or supporting it in ANY way. It's funny the people in my life (work, family, friends) that are amazed. It's truly simple. Browns (NFL) fan for 50 years (1970-2019). Proud American since birth (1962-2020) for 58 years. 58-50 wins. I love my country and even in my nearly old age I will fight for her in any way I can.

I won't argue or fight with ANYONE here. There are lots of you who I have deep respect for including the originator of this page and the current moderator. I respect your right to feel the way you do. I expect the same. I do and will miss you guys. Love ya man.

PS: When and if Clay Matthews and Joe Thomas are inducted into the Hall Of Fame I will be there to cheer those guys. 

 

yep. Excellent post, imho.

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17 hours ago, Furnier said:

The NFL chose to support Socialism, Anarchy and Marxism.

I stopped watched the NFL or supporting it in ANY way. It's funny the people in my life (work, family, friends) that are amazed. It's truly simple. Browns (NFL) fan for 50 years (1970-2019). Proud American since birth (1962-2020) for 58 years. 58-50 wins. I love my country and even in my nearly old age I will fight for her in any way I can.

I won't argue or fight with ANYONE here. There are lots of you who I have deep respect for including the originator of this page and the current moderator. I respect your right to feel the way you do. I expect the same. I do and will miss you guys. Love ya man.

PS: When and if Clay Matthews and Joe Thomas are inducted into the Hall Of Fame I will be there to cheer those guys. 

 

Regarding the bold guess it depends on your POV Doug.  Not everyone who's an NFL player supports that, not by a long shot.  If you've given up on the NFL, I understand it and you'll be missed around here- though I suppose you've been mostly luring and not posting for years. 

To paraphrase something from Lord of the Rings.... Kaepernick was like a pebble rolling down a mountain that started an avalanche. Personally- I really don't care what the players do- Anthem or not. Don't see that much difference what they're doing and the guy who puts up a BLM sign in his front yard. They just have a bigger audience. 

Problem is everything of late has been politicized. Sports, you name it. Folks on the Poli board know my position as to why- but I'll keep it out of the Browns Forum. 

Take care... LK

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On 10/19/2020 at 5:21 AM, Furnier said:

The NFL chose to support Socialism, Anarchy and Marxism.

The US fully instituted corporate socialism with trillions of dollars thrown at only the top 500 US corporate entities earlier in 2020 with multiple showerings of money via fun names such as the "CARES" act.. and therefore quite literally the entirety of the NYSE is at present.. yep, socialist.... So exactly how is this unique to the NFL?

Marxism is an economic critique of capitalism.. which seems more relevant each day as the lines at food banks [representative of end-stage monopoly capitalism] grow longer.  How much, exactly, are you helping out poor white people in Ohio? Are you as proud of your lack of concern regarding other people as you apparently are about your ability to call yourself "an american" ?

Supporting anarchy is.. not a thing.  You do realize the NFL is by definition [in multiple USSC cases] a cartel of 32 businesses, right?  Can't be an anarchy and support a legal structure.. those two are diametrically opposed.

 

Stay ignorant - you clearly can't do any better!

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Damn...

That could leave a mark.

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26 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Damn...

That could leave a mark.

more like, the "Scarlet Letter A" the NFL has adulterized the game. They have embraced the blm out of cowardice.

The blm are self-admitted trained marxists.

that is socialism. Karl Marx. And, having done that, they have condoned the riots and out of control political arson, violence, and destruction of democrat cities.

and, it's true - marxism differs from socialism.

So, "anarchy, socialism, and marxism" is indeed valid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_mode_of_production#:~:text=In Marxist theory%2C the socialist mode of production%2C,phase of economic development and its corresponding set

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On 10/19/2020 at 9:17 AM, TexasAg1969 said:

Take Ur bitch to the poly board.👩‍⚖️

Furnier has been a member a long time.  And he is 100 percent right

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45 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

more like, the "Scarlet Letter A" the NFL has adulterized the game. They have embraced the blm out of cowardice.

The blm are self-admitted trained marxists. - that is socialism.

 

and, it's true - marxism differs from socialism.

 

*BLINK*

this is why I avoid these threads.

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3 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Furnier has been a member a long time.  And he is 100 percent far right

FIFY...

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3 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

*BLINK*

this is why I avoid these threads.

just to clarify - the NFL is supporting socialism/marxism by supporting blm because:

BLM co-founder describes herself as 'trained Marxist'

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-train

Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors said in a newly surfaced video from 2015 that she and her fellow organizers are “trained Marxists” – making clear their movement’s ideological...

BLM founder admits they are trained Marxists - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdpIIiBe7Wc

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