htownbrown Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29723620/sources-ravens-cut-trade-earl-thomas-dispute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 Well, we now need a safety. Is he a SS or FS? From his own mouth he believes he should be interchangeable: ET: "I believe you have to be versatile. I don't think you can be one-dimensional. If you are one-dimensional, you need to be spectacular at what you do and you must do it week in and week out. You have to be interchangeable in this league." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 Been a fan of Earl's game since he was at Texas. But if an entire teams leadership doesn't want you. Well..... edit: Ravens released him which I believe means they ate a good deal of $ for it. Makes me even more skeptical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Been a fan of Earl's game since he was at Texas. But if an entire teams leadership doesn't want you. Well..... edit: Ravens released him which I believe means they ate a good deal of $ for it. Makes me even more skeptical. left on his contract was 10M/11M than 12M.... this years cap hit?15M👀 ouch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 Browns don't need that headache. We are good at S, If he were a LB? well that could be a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, TopDawg31 said: Browns don't need that headache. We are good at S, If he were a LB? well that could be a different story. The fuck....have you been paying attention? Our starting SS just basically went down for the season, and the backup was a street UDFA no one has ever heard of. And how is it that Thomas, who was considered a great team leader in Seattle, all of a sudden a team cancer in Baltimore? JT Hassell | 49 SS | Florida Tech | Cleveland Browns Ht: 6000 / 6' 00" | Wt: 199 | Upd: 04/22/2020 Vitals Birth Date: 08/14/1995 Age: 25 Original Team: CLE FA NFL Entry: 19 CFA NFL Exp: 2 Depth Chart Key: CF19 Team History: CLE Player History 05/19 CLE FA 08/19 CLE waived 09/19 CLE P/SQ 1-11 11/19 CLE activated 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 41 minutes ago, gumby73 said: left on his contract was 10M/11M than 12M.... this years cap hit?15M👀 ouch! If he was released however, would the Browns....or any team that picks him up also have to pick up that salary? My understanding was not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Our starting SS just basically went down for the season Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Did I miss something? Who does he think is this team's strong safety? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: Who does he think is this team's strong safety? Forgot, gifs eat up bandwith. In short... not a clue in hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 Was used more as an In The box safety by the Ravens and had a poor rating according to PFF in Run Defense department. No thanks. More bark than bite these days. And my favorite play of 2019 Chubb gliding by him on that 88 yard TD run is still on my mind too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 54 minutes ago, The Gipper said: If he was released however, would the Browns....or any team that picks him up also have to pick up that salary? My understanding was not. No, if released, a new team would not have to pick up any of his past deal. Nothing. And they have released him. But it sounds like there is more to the story than one incident; it's sounding like he's had a meltdown and no one likes him on the Ravens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: Was used more as an In The box safety by the Ravens and had a poor rating according to PFF in Run Defense department. No thanks. To be expected. He's a middle fielder who has always been just a touch undersized. He still isn't a complete liability, but he doesn't have the physical dimensions of somebody like Harrison Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted August 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 I'm just happy to have him out of the division. ✌️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: Who does he think is this team's strong safety? Kevin Johnson, list on depth chart as starting SS. Lacerated liver? Except....well....Fuck Me. I am confusing him with Karl Joseph. KJ 1 Karl Joseph SS KJ 2 Kevin Johnson CB One KJ looks like all the others 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Kevin Johnson, list on depth chart as starting SS. Lacerated liver? Except....well....Fuck Me. I am confusing him with Karl Joseph. KJ 1 Karl Joseph SS KJ 2 Kevin Johnson CB One KJ looks like all the others Oh ok, I was wondering who you were talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorsRpussies Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 Nope got waived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 Dude would have a serious chip on his shoulder for a team the browns need to beat twice, and at a position of need....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 KJ was on track to be the 3rd/slot corner.. Thomas wouldn't be the worst guy to sign on a prove-it deal, plus if a division rival is paying his salary so much the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 5 hours ago, The Gipper said: The fuck....have you been paying attention? Our starting SS just basically went down for the season, and the backup was a street UDFA no one has ever heard of. And how is it that Thomas, who was considered a great team leader in Seattle, all of a sudden a team cancer in Baltimore? I don't know "how" but apparently it happened. Reading Raven boards, it appears the coaches, the front office AND the players all wanted him gone. He seems like an angry, red-headed step child, at this point. He must have really been in a dick mode to have everyone against him. https://forum.russellstreetreport.com/showthread.php?198099-Should-the-Ravens-cut-trade-Earl-Thomas-and-resign-Tony-Jefferson/page39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Icecube said: He must have really been in a dick Yeah, something smells rotten with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: KJ was on track to be the 3rd/slot corner.. 3rd? Terrance Mitchell slot 1.... than whom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, gumby73 said: 3rd? Terrance Mitchell slot 1.... than whom? 2 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: KJ was on track to be the 3rd/slot corner.. Thomas wouldn't be the worst guy to sign on a prove-it deal, plus if a division rival is paying his salary so much the better. I think you guys are presuming that the depth chart for the CB's will be something more of a "traditional" role. It won't, and those days are quickly diminishing. It'll be skill set vs skill set now. So for example on our schedule - Denzel will mostly draw Hollywood Brown in coverage game 1. Ward just has the better foot speed and matches up better across the formation. 4 days later against the Bengals, you'll probably see Greedy and Mitchell on Green and Higgins (not to Tyler Boyd) out on the perimeter with Ward shadowing Ross or Tate. Unless Boyd ends up getting matched in the middle. The strength of our CB's is lead by ward, but I'm not putting a 5'10 corner on a 6'4 AJ Green and Joe Woods will tend to avoid that as well. I'll leave that to 6'1 Greedy or 5'11 (and change) Terrance Mitchell. Don't forget, his best corner when he left Denver was Chris Harris who mostly drew skilled interior receivers. Point being, we have some varying physical skill sets that, if developed and deployed properly, give us quality responses to a range of different receiver corps we'll face this year. Will Greedy and Ward be the 1st 2 on the field? 95% of the time yes. Who they'll be matching up with though might be another matter entirely. Don't forget how Gregg Williams went against ATL at home a couple years ago and how those assignments went. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted August 24, 2020 Report Share Posted August 24, 2020 5 hours ago, tiamat63 said: I think you guys are presuming that the depth chart for the CB's will be something more of a "traditional" role. It won't, and those days are quickly diminishing. It'll be skill set vs skill set now. So for example on our schedule - Denzel will mostly draw Hollywood Brown in coverage game 1. Ward just has the better foot speed and matches up better across the formation. 4 days later against the Bengals, you'll probably see Greedy and Mitchell on Green and Higgins (not to Tyler Boyd) out on the perimeter with Ward shadowing Ross or Tate. Unless Boyd ends up getting matched in the middle. The strength of our CB's is lead by ward, but I'm not putting a 5'10 corner on a 6'4 AJ Green and Joe Woods will tend to avoid that as well. I'll leave that to 6'1 Greedy or 5'11 (and change) Terrance Mitchell. Don't forget, his best corner when he left Denver was Chris Harris who mostly drew skilled interior receivers. Point being, we have some varying physical skill sets that, if developed and deployed properly, give us quality responses to a range of different receiver corps we'll face this year. Will Greedy and Ward be the 1st 2 on the field? 95% of the time yes. Who they'll be matching up with though might be another matter entirely. Don't forget how Gregg Williams went against ATL at home a couple years ago and how those assignments went. Greedy and Ward have to play better. If they are just "solid" (not necessarily top 10, although Ward should be) the D could be pretty good. Still worried about LBs though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorsRpussies Posted August 24, 2020 Report Share Posted August 24, 2020 On 8/23/2020 at 4:29 PM, D Bone said: Dude would have a serious chip on his shoulder for a team the browns need to beat twice, and at a position of need....... Yeah I say take a flyer on him. 6-8 million range with some incentive, little to NO guaranteed money. Really nothing to lose, if he sucks or is acting like a bitch, cut him. Watch the rapists sign him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 24, 2020 Report Share Posted August 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, WarriorsRpussies said: Yeah I say take a flyer on him. 6-8 million range with some incentive, little to NO guaranteed money. Really nothing to lose, if he sucks or is acting like a bitch, cut him. Watch the rapists sign him though. Their S situation is pretty set. Especially since they have young Fitz playing center field. Very much doubt they would bring in Earl and risk disrupting the chemistry they've built in their secondary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted August 24, 2020 Report Share Posted August 24, 2020 Well, sadly OUR safety position has taken a hit. Perhaps we NEED to sign the troublemaker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 On 8/23/2020 at 6:43 PM, Orion said: Yeah, something smells rotten with him. Sure it does.. After the Hawks traded up to get Thomas in the draft..Thomas is seen flipping off Pete Carol after getting injured because the Hawks would not trade him..this after playing for Carrol for 8 seasons Thomas goes to another good Coach in John Harbaugh...and has not himself? but the team players vote Thomas out too... Again... at age 31... We should want no part of this coaching headcase in Cleveland with again a new coaching staff... firm pass for me...Sendego/Redwine & next man up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, gumby73 said: but the team players vote Thomas out too... Yeah.......you gotta be a special kind of asshole for that to happen. I mean, what do you have to do? Threaten to kill somebody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 31 minutes ago, gumby73 said: Sure it does.. After the Hawks traded up to get Thomas in the draft..Thomas is seen flipping off Pete Carol after getting injured because the Hawks would not trade him..this after playing for Carrol for 8 seasons Thomas goes to another good Coach in John Harbaugh...and has not himself? but the team players vote Thomas out too... Again... at age 31... We should want no part of this coaching headcase in Cleveland with again a new coaching staff... firm pass for me...Sendego/Redwine & next man up! OK, for 8 seasons he was a model citizen. Then something happened? Seems to me that it may be 2 things: Thomas realizing, after that injury, that his football life may have been coming close to reaching its mortality. Secondly....along with that comes the fact that his earning potential is diminished, and he protests (in the form of howling at the moon), over that. I think the best he can do is to face reality: He is older and he will NOT command the kind of money that he probably thinks he should; and that if he wants to stick around, he should face he fact that he is likely going to have to sign a heavily incentive laden contract. If he is good as he thinks he is, he CAN get paid a fair amount. If not, he won't. That is where I see the issue....and the solution, for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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