Unsympathetic Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 LB Analysis DL Analysis OL Analysis Interior OL Analysis OT Analysis TE Analysis RB Analysis QB Analysis WR Analysis Biggest Turnarounds by Position Group Analyzing Blockbuster Trades DB Group Analysis Team Previews - This page will eventually link to each preview. Red Zone Analysis Preview of Interesting Trends Players Under 25 Offensive Playcallers 22 Starters for All 32 Teams As PFF posts more leaguewide analyses, I'll add the links here and update the title 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Unsympathetic said: All LB groups All DL groups Dear word, Browns at 31st at LB. I know some young guys could step up, but I'd say LB is clearly our weakest unit on the team. Putting Pgh at 11 is a joke. ATL and LV rank higher? OK, there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypicalBrowns50 Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Steelers do NOT have the 11th best LB core. the browns DO have one of the worst though. Mack Wilson sucked last year, I’m extremely worried about the defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, TypicalBrowns50 said: Steelers do NOT have the 11th best LB core. the browns DO have one of the worst though. Mack Wilson sucked last year, I’m extremely worried about the defense 75% of the starting LBs for Pitt are legit probowl contenders: Watt, Bush and Dupree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Browns LBs ranked 31st.....mainly because we are relying on all young, unproven players. Wilson, Takitaki and Phillips. I thought they were harsh on Wilson....8th worst in the NFL last year? Did he really perform that badly? I didn't see it as all that bad. But I can't really object to the Browns #31 rating... And the other thing....a couple of you state how the Steelers LB corps is nowhere near the #11 rank. I agree.....IF they are not including TJ Watt. I have been of the opinion that TJ Watt should be a part of their LB corps, giving that group a higher ranking. It is the DL.....placed at #1 that I scratch my head at. They seem to be saying that the Steelers start 3 DLs: Watt, Dupree, Heyward. I would put Watt in at OLB, where in doing so their DL would drop down around or below the Browns DL ranking at #12......but elevate the LB rating. So...which is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Icecube said: 75% of the starting LBs for Pitt are legit probowl contenders: Watt, Bush and Dupree. But they do not have Watt listed as LB....nor Dupree. They are listed as DLs. I mean I guess...does it sort of matter? That is why you have this "Edge" position designation. Maybe we should begin looking at football defensive positioning differently. Instead of DL and LB......maybe we should have people listed as "Edge" or "Interior". What have been DEs and OLBs are Edge....as they seem so very interchangeable. And DTs and MLBs as Interior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypicalBrowns50 Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Yea I thought watt was technically DL? If they include watt then it is more realistic to be at 11 for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Here is the Steelers front 7 depth chart....from the Steelers.com website: Position First Second Third Fourth Fifth DT Cameron Heyward Isaiah Buggs NT Dan McCullers DE Tyson Alualu LOLB T.J. Watt LILB Devin Bush RILB Vince Williams Robert Spillane ROLB Bud Dupree Olasunkanmi Adeniyi Tuzar Skipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Here it is from Ourlads: DT 97 HEYWARD, CAMERON 11/1 96 Buggs, Isaiah 19/6 79 Walker, Cavon SF20 65 Coatney, Josiah CF20 NT 95 Wormley, Chris T/Bal 93 McCullers, Daniel 14/6 99 Mondeaux, Henry SF19 DE 91 Tuitt, Stephon 14/2 94 ALUALU, TYSON U/Jax 73 Davis, Carlos 20/7 67 Taylor Jr., Calvin CF20 LOLB 90 Watt, TJ 17/1 56 Highsmith, Alex 20/3 40 Hendrix, Dewayne SF20 49 Lockhart, James CF20 LILB 55 Bush Jr., Devin 19/1 46 Kuntz, Christian SF19 45 Houston Jr., John CF20 RILB 98 WILLIAMS, VINCE 13/6 54 Gilbert III, Ulysees 19/6 41 Spillane, Robert SF19 42 Lewis, Leo CF20 ROLB 48 Dupree, Bud 15/1 92 Adeniyi, Olasunkanmi CF18 Both of these sites above have Dupree and Watt listed as OLBs. PFF has them both on the DL. These have the Steelers with just one DE, one NT and one DT. (they list Heyward as a DT, not a DE???) 51 Skipper, Tuzar P/NYG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 I note this: this PFF had the Ravens DL rated as the worst in the AFCN,.....where the Madden ratings had their DL having like two of the best 3 DL in the division....with Campbell and Williams. So...who is more trustworthy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, The Gipper said: But they do not have Watt listed as LB....nor Dupree. They are listed as DLs. I mean I guess...does it sort of matter? That is why you have this "Edge" position designation. Maybe we should begin looking at football defensive positioning differently. Instead of DL and LB......maybe we should have people listed as "Edge" or "Interior". What have been DEs and OLBs are Edge....as they seem so very interchangeable. And DTs and MLBs as Interior. They've done something weird this year. Watt and Dupree were clearly OLBs, listed as such when drafted and have always been listed as such on rosters. They are the very definition of 3-4 OLBs. But now some 3-4 DEs are being listed as DTs. Huh? What in the F changed? Pitt has 4 starting LBs: Watt, Bush, Williams and Dupree. https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/PIT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Icecube said: They've done something weird this year. Watt and Dupree were clearly OLBs, listed as such when drafted and have always been listed as such on rosters. They are the very definition of 3-4 OLBs. But now some 3-4 DEs are being listed as DTs. Huh? What in the F changed? Pitt has 4 starting LBs: Watt, Bush, Williams and Dupree. https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/PIT Yea, I just posted that. So why then does PFF list Watt and Dupree as DL. And why is Heyward listed as playing on the exterior, but then designated a DT? Is he like Reggie White/JJ Watt....who plays all over the defensive front? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Yea, I just posted that. So why then does PFF list Watt and Dupree as DL. And why is Heyward listed as playing on the exterior, but then designated a DT? Is he like Reggie White/JJ Watt....who plays all over the defensive front? Gip, I honestly don't know why the inconsistencies. I've asked around and no one has an answer. Obviously, a 3-4 system uses 3 down lineman, and 4 LBs, where oftentimes the OLBs rush the QB, but clearly not all the time. The DEs are clearly at the end of the DL, so why is Heyward now considered a DT? Until someone can offer a legit explanation, the Steelers play 4 LBs and have 3 DLmen and Heyward is a 3-4 DE. Now, the Browns clearly play a 4-3, with 4 DL and 3 LBs. There is no confusion there. https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/CLE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 They seem to imply that the addition of BJ Goodson adds nothing at all to the quality of our LB corps. He IS listed as backup MLB. Is he really Just a guy as they seem to infer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 22 hours ago, TypicalBrowns50 said: Steelers do NOT have the 11th best LB core. the browns DO have one of the worst though. Mack Wilson sucked last year, I’m extremely worried about the defense I am not encouraged, but it depends on the Woods scheme. If it is schemed well, I think we can do OK. Word is we go with 2 backers more often than not and stack another safety in the box. I also think Billings is going be big on the DL. He required a few bodies on him, as does Richardson in the run game. That will help keep the backers clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 21 hours ago, The Gipper said: They seem to imply that the addition of BJ Goodson adds nothing at all to the quality of our LB corps. He IS listed as backup MLB. Is he really Just a guy as they seem to infer? Honestly, having watched the Giants almost as much as the Browns- He's pretty unremarkable- unless he went to Green Bay and the light suddenly went on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, ballpeen said: I am not encouraged, but it depends on the Woods scheme. If it is schemed well, I think we can do OK. Word is we go with 2 backers more often than not and stack another safety in the box. I also think Billings is going be big on the DL. He required a few bodies on him, as does Richardson in the run game. That will help keep the backers clean. The backers being clean may not become the issue. Just watch the deficiencies in the previous Cincy defenses. Respectable dline and secondary play, horrendous linebacking unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 somewhat early for in-depth analysis...Berry & our pencil neck geek squad, see's teams with 12 Linebacker's on their 90 mans..Those that will keep maybe 8 Lb'ers total👀.. am not sweating our core of linebackers!! YET 🤞... but I'd look at trading NoJoke for 2 on the Jets roster todaY! they both played well while CJ Mosley was out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 Do we have this same info from PFF on like the Defensive Backfield? WR/TE corps? OL? RBs QBs? Or, is that to come? Don't know if you have to be a PFF subscriber to get this. I am not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted July 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 I'll keep the links updated in the OP and change the thread topic as new ones are posted. I noticed this on Monday, although the team analyses may have started before then. Looks like these 3 are the ones they've done so far and [I'm guessing] they'll keep going until all are finished. I'm not a PFF subscriber.. is anyone on here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 OL Analysis Browns #6....perhaps higher than I expected given we will have a rookie LT and a question at RG. Ravens #5?.....overrated in my mind....in that they lost their best OL with the retirement of Yanda Steelers #9....they do have some good ones, but also some question marks. Bengals #31....if accurate....there will be a major reason Burrow does not do so well as a rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted July 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 Analysis including PFF grades for all Wyatt Teller games last season with Cleveland. I'd never seen this site before - a good compilation. PFF analysis of Conklin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted July 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 Browns 2019 results using ESPN's new win rate % for OL/DL Tretter 2nd in passblock win rate for C Bito 4th, Teller 9th passblock win rate for G Garrett 4th edge pass rush win rate Browns 6th passblock win rate in 2019 - and that's with the 2019 OT's.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted August 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2020 RB, QB, Red Zone, and Trend Analysis links added 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2020 Report Share Posted August 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: RB, QB, Red Zone, and Trend Analysis links added Browns RBs= #1 !!! Ravens #9 Bengals #22 Steelers #23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2020 Report Share Posted August 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: RB, QB, Red Zone, and Trend Analysis links added QBs. They do it differently here i.e. they apparently "cop out". They do it in "Tiers" Only 2 QBs in Tier One: Mahomes and Russell Wilson Lamar Jackson is in Tier 2. (6 QBs in Tier 2) And they have Ben R. and Joe Burrow in the same Tier 3 as well as Baker. They have almost half the league's QBs there....13 in Tier 3. They are not big fans of Darnold and Josh Allen, having them in the lowest tier, Tier 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted August 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 Cast no more aspersions on my asparagus! Added projection link for all 32 starting lineups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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