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Interesting. So, Cam becomes the current day Vinny Testaverde.   (he is to Brady what Vinny was to Bernie.....the common factor being  Belichick as coach.)

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Makes sense.  The QB needed a team.  The team needed a QB.

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11 hours ago, Orion said:

Makes sense.  The QB needed a team.  The team needed a QB.

So how far do the pats fall this year?  Good time for a rebuilding year for them.

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34 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

So how far do the pats fall this year?  Good time for a rebuilding year for them.

interesting - maybe they waited til Tom Brady left...?

https://www.nj.com/giants/2020/06/nfl-hands-down-harsh-punishment-for-new-england-patriots-videoing-bengals-browns-last-december.html

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4 hours ago, mjp28 said:

So how far do the pats fall this year?  Good time for a rebuilding year for them.

Since Hoodie took over 20 years ago how many rebuilding years has NE had? Zero, I think. I thought they might lay in the weeds to get Lawrence, but now? Maybe not. This could take a playoff spot away that the Browns may need to make the postseason. 

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If his shoulder is ok, they win the AFC East again. 

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1 hour ago, Icecube said:

Since Hoodie took over 20 years ago how many rebuilding years has NE had? Zero, I think. I thought they might lay in the weeds to get Lawrence, but now? Maybe not. This could take a playoff spot away that the Browns may need to make the postseason. 

Maybe the devil owed his hoodie buddy a big favor......Brady steps down in 2019......need a pandemic in 2020......step back in the race in 2021.

Never underestimate Belichick.    :o

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39 minutes ago, Bob806 said:

If his shoulder is ok, they win the AFC East again. 

I really don't think it's that easy.  Especially taking a typically sub 60% passer and placing him in an offense that was as complex and varied as NE's.  

You lose a great deal of potency exiling Brady and cutting down the playbook.  

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36 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

I really don't think it's that easy.  Especially taking a typically sub 60% passer and placing him in an offense that was as complex and varied as NE's.  

You lose a great deal of potency exiling Brady and cutting down the playbook.  

I'm intrigued by the pairing of Newton and Belichick, because Cam couldn't be any more different from Brady if he tried. 

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This will be interesting. Certainly, if healthy & given the freedom to do so, Cam can make things happen. Belichick? He ain't one of (if not THE) greatest for nothing.

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I lost all of my respect for Cam when he wouldn't jump on a fumble in the Super Bowl.  Not even the Super Bowl was worth the effort.

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26 minutes ago, Canton Mike said:

This will be interesting. Certainly, if healthy & given the freedom to do so, Cam can make things happen. Belichick? He ain't one of (if not THE) greatest for nothing.

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I think Cam is a beat up version of his old self can he do like some other aging quarterbacks have done and change his style...... with a 1 year  $7.5M contract under Billy B. I guess we'll see.......

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3 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

I really don't think it's that easy.  Especially taking a typically sub 60% passer and placing him in an offense that was as complex and varied as NE's.  

You lose a great deal of potency exiling Brady and cutting down the playbook.  

Nothing's easy in the NFL, and the Bills are pretty tough. 

Don't forget, Cam was an MVP. He's a goof, but when healthy he's a beast.

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9 minutes ago, Bob806 said:

Nothing's easy in the NFL, and the Bills are pretty tough. 

Don't forget, Cam was an MVP. He's a goof, but when healthy he's a beast.

He's a different kind of beast who, when a defense is prepared to commit to patience - can be limited and frustrated rather easily.

Ever since that MVP season, his passing has regressed to pre-MVP form.   Honestly, closer to the median of what he was tossing at.   Think like... v Seattle in the playoffs.   If the Pats are unwilling to put him in harms why by using his legs by design, then his effectiveness as a passer, while not anywhere near as limited as someone like Lamar Jackson or Tebow, tends to take a pretty big hit.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Vambo said:

Report: Baker Mayfield on notice as Cleveland Browns flirt with Cam Newton

https://dawgpounddaily.com/2020/06/29/cleveland-browns-cam-newton/

 

I would only take Cam as a back up if that were the case... I would rather start the younger QB... Cam has talent.. No ones disputing that... But it's kind of dumb to mentally take the steam out of your starter who appears to be working hard for this...

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11 hours ago, Bob806 said:

when healthy he's a beast.

he will NEVER do again what he did during the MVP season.. his injuries and age prevent that. 

He has had rotator cuff surgery and "more than rotator cuff" surgery both on his throwing shoulder and Lisfranc surgery on his left foot.  He has arthritis in his shoulder as a result.

Yes, it's true that he "Should be good to go" on the shoulder for 2020.. OK.  But he was never very accurate to begin with - 22 TD/16 INT last full season he played - and he's now over 30 years old, when even RB's lose their athleticism/short-area quickness.. which was always the item separating Cam from the rest.

On paper something sounds plausible - but Pats also don't have any contested-catch receivers outside of Aiyuk for Newton's ridiculous YOLO decision-making / poor accuracy even when he picks the right target.

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From Yahoo! Sports...... June 30, 2020

 

Bill Belichick's big bet

 
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A reminder: we're only publishing twice a week for a bit, waiting for all our favorite sports to come back.

Morning, friends. Hey, who’s up for some good ol’ sports talk? 

The Patriots signed Cam Newton Sunday night, picking up the former MVP for a one-year deal that might go down as one of the great bargains in recent NFL history. With one cheap (relatively speaking) contract, the Patriots:

  • Replaced Tom Brady with one of the few names big enough to match the departing icon.
  • Brought a potential jolt of energy to the Patriots offense and fanbase.
  • Gave one of the league’s most electrifying players reason to prove 31 other teams wrong.
  • And made every single one of those teams wonder, again, what Bill Belichick knows that the rest of the NFL doesn’t.

Cam Newton is 31 years old, but he’s an old 31. Over the course of his Panthers career, he took harder hits than the middle car in a highway pileup, in large part because he would throw his immense frame into harm’s way like no other quarterback before or since.

At his best, Newton was a true unicorn. He had an arm like Matthew Stafford, the elusiveness of Russell Wilson, the speed of Michael Vick, and the size of … well, there’s no quarterback comparison there. Rob Gronkowski, maybe, or Thor, whichever.

Injuries robbed him of his arm strength, constraining gameplans robbed him of his creativity, and a less-than-stellar receiving corps robbed him of opportunities. His numbers declined, but his passion — best expressed in his creatively fonted social media posts — never waned.

And now he gets the chance to prove the whole league wrong while playing for a guy who specializes in proving the whole league wrong.

If Newton’s got anything left of the juggernaut that torched the league in 2015, back when he went 15-1, won that MVP, and almost snared a Super Bowl, Belichick will find it and use it to keep the rest of the AFC East in check once more. (The Bills have to be banging their heads through tables right about now.)

Along with offensive coordinator Josh McDaniel, Belichick is capable of creating a scheme that maximizes Newton’s talents while hiding his inadequacies, and if Newton is anything close to healthy, you’re looking at a Patriots team that went from writeoff to divisional contender yet again. 

Belichick specializes in turning someone else’s trash into treasure; see Moss, Randy. Put it this way: would you bet against Belichick finding that extra gear in Newton that Carolina couldn’t, and 30 other teams wouldn’t?

The Patriots are still must-watch TV. This ought to be fun.

 
 

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What does Cam Newton’s signing mean for Colin Kaepernick’s chances?

Jay Busbee
Yahoo SportsJune 29, 2020, 10:12 PM EDT

The quarterback market has spoken, and for Colin Kaepernick, the news isn’t good. 

Cam Newton, like Jameis Winston before him, has signed a one-year deal for a fraction of what he was making in his prior contract. The goal here obviously is for each player to show that he still has gas in the tank — Newton with the Patriots, Winston with the Saints — and parlay 2020’s performance into a bigger long-term deal next offseason. 

It’s a sign of a depressed quarterback market … and if you happen to be a quarterback still looking for a job, you just lost a few more dollars off your asking price. When a former MVP is “only” getting an incentive-laden contract worth a maximum of $7.5 million, you know the market is resetting itself, hard. (Is it a fair resetting? Well, that’s an entirely different question. If Mitchell Trubisky gets multiple five-year, nine-figure offers next offseason, we’ll know.) 

 

Now, as for Kaepernick ... look, just for a few paragraphs here, set aside the protest aspect of his career and look at him purely as a quarterback. He left the San Francisco 49ers in early 2017, opting out of his contract after being told he’d be cut later in the year. At the time, he slotted right in the middle of the NFL’s quarterback rankings. Not nearly as good as the Rodgers/Brees/Brady crew, far better than the who’s-that-guy QBs who would be signed to, and cut from, the bottoms of depth charts over the next three seasons. 

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Why did the Bears (and other teams) pass on Cam Newton?

Eric Edholm
Yahoo SportsJune 29, 2020, 7:18 PM EDT

It took until June to happen, and it wasn’t for relatively that much money, but Cam Newton is officially off the market.

His signing with the New England Patriots has changed perception for the quarterback market this offseason, even though there’s no escaping the idea that Newton’s health and challenging offseason conditions hurt his cause.

Had there been no coronavirus pandemic, could things have gone differently for the former MVP? Absolutely. A clearer medical picture and no restrictions on teams bringing in free agents for visits might have laid out a completely different marketplace.

 

Even so, it’s fair to question whether some teams made the right calls at QB.

The Chicago Bears are one of those teams. And maybe we can add the Indianapolis Colts to that list as well. By the end of the 2020 season, a healthy Newton could make more teams feel that way.

It’s true that the Patriots’ patience likely paid off in the form of a discount; according to The Athletic’s Jeff Howe, the Patriots ramped up their interest in Newton only once he “softened his contract demands.”

What was stopping the Bears and other teams from playing their hands similarly?

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3 hours ago, D Bone said:

He, like a lot of us, may see these guys being in their prime and believe they will play (and in some cases, feel they should be paid that way).   Cam,  BR, and others. 

When maybe, in fact, these guys are just like  Johnny Unitas with the Chargers,  Joe Namath with the Rams,  Willie Mays with the Mets. That sort of thing. 

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To be fair, Cam's starting WR's when he won the MVP were Philly Brown, Ted Ginn, Jerricho Cotchery, and Devin Funchess [Benjamin tore his ACL in preseason]. 

Each of those at their best might fight for the 4th spot if they were at the 2020 Pats training camp.. maybe Ginn as return man but not much as WR.

Pats 2020 WR are N'Keal Harry, Edelman, Sanu, and someone named Damiere.

 

In his pre-injury 2018:

8.7% of Cam's passes went 20+ yards, the LOWEST rate among all starters.

Other stats: 7th in adjusted completion/10th in rating/27th in sacks/22nd in % of throws pressured.  The last two are flipped - 32nd is the best. 

 

So this has a chance of working out..

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1 hour ago, Unsympathetic said:

 

So this has a chance of working out..

And then there's the head coach factor.

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3 hours ago, mjp28 said:

And then there's the head coach factor.

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Hey maybe Bobby Kraft can hook him up some  Asian massages for his aging football body... LOL

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