The Gipper Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 Idea stolen from a radio thing going on right now: Give your "Mt. Rushmore" of Cleveland/Northeast Ohio sports figures. Instead of 4 figures, I am going with 6 figures. There must be the following: 1. One coach from any team of our pro sports teams....or any coach that came out of NE Ohio. 2. One Browns player 3. One Indians player 4. One Cavs player 5. One Buckeye.....(I know, not NEOhio...but we will include it...but it would be good if they came from NE Ohio) 6. One Individual sports performer. (Golf, Tennis, Olympic sports, etc.) Also....feel free to name a 1st, 2d and 3rd team. When I do my lists it can be an example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 Paul Brown, Jim Brown, Bob Feller, Lebron James, Lou Groza, Jessie Owens. Zombo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 Here is my list which you can pattern after: First Team: Coach: Paul Brown Browns: Jim Brown Indians: Bob Feller Cavs: LeBron James Buckeye: sticking with just NEOhio (so, no Archie Griffin): Orlando Pace (Sandusky) Individual sport: Jesse Owens Second Team: Coach: Don Shula Browns: Otto Graham Cavs: Brad Daugherty Indians: Jim Thome Buckeye: Paul Warfield (Warren) Individual: Harrison Dillad (track Gold medals) Third team: Coach: Bobby Knight (Orrville) Brown: Joe Thomas Indians: Omar Visquel Cavs: Nate Thurmond Buckeye: Chris Spielman (Massillon) Individual: Jeep Davis (track...3 time gold medals, Barberton) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 How about some honorable mentions in a few ...not all of the categories: Coaches: Chuck Noll, Urban Meyer, Jim Tressell, Ara Parseghian, Bo Schembechler, Bob Stoops, Les Miles, Lou Holtz, Don James, (all of the ones in Green have won college football championships....all are from NE Ohio) Buckeyes from NEO: Ted Ginn Jr. Troy Smith, Mike Vrabel, Denzel Ward Individual sports: Carol Heiss Jenkins (figure skating) ; Herman Keiser (Masters champion), Tom Weiskopf, Stipe (sp?), Michael Dokes (heavyweight boxing champ for a while) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 Paul Brown , Jim Brown , Mel Harder (Indians), Larry Nance Sr. and Paul Warfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 Paul Brown, Jim Brown, LeBron James, Bob Feller, Jessie Owens, Freddie Glover...I don't forget the Barons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 Egad! Individual Sport...and not a single vote for the golden bear of Columbus, Ohio... Jack Nicklaus?...⛳ campground rules apply.. "I'll need a cart to carry all this beer" sign me up.. PB//JB//Feller//Lebron//Groza//Jack... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 Good point. The Golden Bear needs to be on the list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 2 hours ago, ballpeen said: Paul Brown, Jim Brown, LeBron James, Bob Feller, Jessie Owens, Freddie Glover...I don't forget the Barons. Well...I wish we could have included the NHL Barons, but they only lasted here like 1.5 years. More of the Barons history was in the minor league AHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, gumby73 said: Egad! Individual Sport...and not a single vote for the golden bear of Columbus, Ohio... Jack Nicklaus?...⛳ campground rules apply.. "I'll need a cart to carry all this beer" sign me up.. PB//JB//Feller//Lebron//Groza//Jack... Jack is from Columbus. Columbus is not in NE Ohio.....though I guess maybe we do one of those Trumpian things where we draw a big loop that would include Columbus in NEOhio , like he included Alabama as a part of Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Canton Mike Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 9 hours ago, Zombo said: Paul Brown, Jim Brown, Bob Feller, Lebron James, Lou Groza, Jessie Owens. Zombo All I would change here is Jack Nicklaus instead of Lou Groza, so mine would be: Paul Brown, Jim Brown, Bob Feller, Lebron James, Jack Nicklaus, & Jesse Owens. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: Stumped by those small Gipper details, is like being Gonged by Chuck Barris on the Gong Show 📀... I'm Honored (your honor).. next week can we play Match Game & your Gene Rayburn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, gumby73 said: Stumped by those small Gipper details, is like being Gonged by Chuck Barris on the Gong Show 📀... I'm Honored (your honor).. next week can we play Match Game & your Gene Rayburn? Remember Chuck Barris was a CIA assassin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 9 hours ago, The Gipper said: Well...I wish we could have included the NHL Barons, but they only lasted here like 1.5 years. More of the Barons history was in the minor league AHL.n't It was, when the NHL was maybe 8 teams. The AHL was top notch. Just because you aren't in the know doesn't mean it wasn't good hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 On 6/10/2020 at 6:37 AM, The Gipper said: Idea stolen from a radio thing going on right now: Give your "Mt. Rushmore" of Cleveland/Northeast Ohio sports figures. Instead of 4 figures, I am going with 6 figures. There must be the following: 1. One coach from any team of our pro sports teams....or any coach that came out of NE Ohio. 2. One Browns player 3. One Indians player 4. One Cavs player 5. One Buckeye.....(I know, not NEOhio...but we will include it...but it would be good if they came from NE Ohio) 6. One Individual sports performer. (Golf, Tennis, Olympic sports, etc.) Also....feel free to name a 1st, 2d and 3rd team. When I do my lists it can be an example 1 Don Shula (lots of good ones though) Nick Saban, Jim Tressel 2. Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Joe Thomas 3. Jim Thome, Bob Feller, Kenny Lofton 4. Lebron, Price, Larry Nance Sr. 5. Archie Griffin, Eddie George, Zeke Elliot 6. Stipe Miocic, Steph Curry (lol), Bernie Kosar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 13 hours ago, ballpeen said: It was, when the NHL was maybe 8 teams. The AHL was top notch. Just because you aren't in the know doesn't mean it wasn't good hockey. I didn't say it was not good hockey, I am only saying that it seemed that the stint here for NHL hockey was not long enough for the sport to become established....or for there to be any identification really with players by fans. Though you seemed to develop some. Very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 23 hours ago, SdBacker80 said: 1 Don Shula (lots of good ones though) Nick Saban, Jim Tressel 2. Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Joe Thomas 3. Jim Thome, Bob Feller, Kenny Lofton 4. Lebron, Price, Larry Nance Sr. 5. Archie Griffin, Eddie George, Zeke Elliot 6. Stipe Miocic, Steph Curry (lol), Bernie Kosar Questions: Are you putting Nick Saban on the list because he attended college at Kent St.? (I guess I never considered that. That would make 9 guys from NEO that won college national championships) But how do you get Steph Curry and Bernie Kosar as being "Individual sport athletes"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 On 6/10/2020 at 5:45 PM, gumby73 said: Egad! Individual Sport...and not a single vote for the golden bear of Columbus, Ohio... Jack Nicklaus?...⛳ campground rules apply.. "I'll need a cart to carry all this beer" sign me up.. PB//JB//Feller//Lebron//Groza//Jack... Richie Giachetti as well...trained Larry Holmes, heavyweight champ. Mike Durbin, PBA champ from Chagrin Falls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 Questions: Are you putting Nick Saban on the list because he attended college at Kent St.? (I guess I never considered that. That would make 9 guys from NEO that won college national championships) Actually.....make that 10 coaches from NE Ohio who won National Championships ....as I did not include Paul Brown who won a National Championship in 1942 with Ohio St. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 On 6/10/2020 at 6:48 PM, The Gipper said: Well...I wish we could have included the NHL Barons, but they only lasted here like 1.5 years. More of the Barons history was in the minor league AHL. Just to clarify that point...at that time the AHL was more than a minor league team. True, the NHL teams sent players to the AHL, but the AHL teams held their own contracts as well. It was more like a alternate league. Kind of like the early days of baseball when the American League was thought of being lesser than the National League or in football when the AFL was looked at as being lesser than the NFL. You could even go back to the AAFC and the NFL. Sports was different back then. There were no real TV contracts, at least on a national level. All local stuff, mostly radio. There was a reason why the National League merged with the American League, why the NFL brought in several of the teams from the AAFC, then merged with all of the AFL. The owners realized they might not have as much of a cod lock on things as they thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 6 hours ago, ballpeen said: Just to clarify that point...at that time the AHL was more than a minor league team. True, the NHL teams sent players to the AHL, but the AHL teams held their own contracts as well. It was more like a alternate league. Kind of like the early days of baseball when the American League was thought of being lesser than the National League or in football when the AFL was looked at as being lesser than the NFL. You could even go back to the AAFC and the NFL. Yes, I like this explanation. After all, from like the mid 20s to the mid 60s there were only 6 NHL teams. There were probably fewer combined NHL and AHL teams then than there are NHL teams now. So the AHL could be considered say a "Major B" league, rather than a minor league. Sports was different back then. There were no real TV contracts, at least on a national level. All local stuff, mostly radio. There was a reason why the National League merged with the American League, why the NFL brought in several of the teams from the AAFC, then merged with all of the AFL. The owners realized they might not have as much of a cod lock on things as they thought. Yes, again. In the 1970s there was "expansion by merger): NFL/AFL merger completed; NBA/ABA merger; NHL/WHA merger. Not to mention pure expansion. I am of the opinion that 32 is almost a perfect number for a North American Major Sports league. That is what we have in the NFL now. The NHL is about to complete expansion to 32 teams. Las Vegas being #31 and Seattle, whose commencement may be delayed by the virus situation will be #32. That leaves the NBA and MLB to expand by 2 teams each IMO. Where could they go? For the NBA, I can see them expanding in the west to either Seattle/Las Vegas or San Diego. In the East, a good spot I think would be the Tidewater/Richmond area of Virginia....which has a population of over 3 million.....and no sports franchises (almost as big as Cleveland metro area).....or the likes of Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Cincinnati, Columbus.....or maybe the Lexington/Louisville area...about 2.25 million combined population. Unless they also want to give Canada another team, then try Vancouver again....though they did that once with the Grizzlies. For MLB: Top possibles are Carolina (either Charlotte or Raleigh), which seems a natural....Portland, Salt Lake City, or San Antonio/Austin. Or...unless they actually wish to expand into Mexico? Monterrey rather than Mex. City would be best there IMO. 32 teams works out well for divisions/conferences/leagues/and playoff set ups. All in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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