The Gipper Posted June 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 3 hours ago, gumby73 said: the Chiefs were 2-14 before hiring Dorsey. Andy Reid was already in house and JD & Reid decided trading for QB Alex Smith was better than drafting one.. Fisher may have come from a draft class of nfl average Joe's? #1 pick Eric Fisher even admits his early struggles in this link.. https://si.com/nfl/chiefs/news/eric-fisher-battled-test-super-bowl so let's not settle on thinking Jedrick Wills or Andrew Thomas will have it any easier.. It's not on them either, that training camps can't even open. Big-Trust in Bill Callahan KC adding Mitchell Schwartz & upgrading the interior OL finished KC's land of QB toys.. I'd even say, Cam Erving got better OL coaching just to get to average. Than still got KC fired at SB ending not matching up to what's coming up behind him.. it's what good teams do...and Good Luck Dallas. Erving will be there to get Dak back up... but Sure... I'd put Joe Staley ahead of Eric Fisher. either Joe Thomas level? NopE !! Well...the point there was just to say which OT was the best to come out of the MAC....not to compare them to players that came out of the Big Boys. Staley was pretty good, but sure, not up to like Pace/JT/Jim Parker/Munoz etc. level. Though, I will say that I was unimpressed with the OTs that have come out of the SEC as when I was searching I thought it would be a piece of cake to find great OTs from that conference....but it was not. The best I could find was Lomas Brown....whom I highly disrespect...because he came to the Browns and just tanked and all he wanted was a paycheck. Nevertheless he was still the best I could come up with. I think Staley is at least on a par with him. (OGs/OCs were different....a number of great ones from SEC) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, ballpeen said: I might put Megatron over Fitz I debated those two in my mind....plus a couple of others from current ACC schools. Like Michael Irvin, Andre Johnson and others. As a whole I think the current ACC lineup has produced the best WRs. It was probably Fitzgerald's longevity that had me put him on top. I could roll with either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 23 hours ago, The Gipper said: Here is the defense: Defensive Ends: Big Ten: Carl Eller, Univ. of Minnesota Pac-12: Terrelll Suggs Arizona St. SEC: Reggie White Tennessee ACC: Bruce Smith Va. Tech Big 12: LeRoy Selmon, Oklahoma Defensive Tackles: Big Ten: Randy White, Maryland Pac 12: Curly Culp AZ St. SEC: Dan Hampton Arkansas ACC: Warren Sapp Miami Fla Big 12: Bob Lilley TCU Outside Linebacker Big Ten: Trying to choose between Andre Tippett (Iowa), Bobby Bell (Minn.) and Jack Ham (Penn St. Pac 12: Clay Matthews II (our Clay Matthews) USC SEC: Derrick Thomas Alabama ACC: Lawrence Taylor NC Big 12: Zack Thomas Texas Tech Middle Linebacker: Big Ten: Dick Butkus Illinois (over fellow Ill. grad Ray Nitschke) Pac 12: Junior Seau USC SEC: Larry Grantham (Ole Miss)......the SEC really has NOT produced great MLBs...I had to dig hard to find him. ACC: Ray Lewis Miami Fla Big 12: Mike Singletary Baylor Cornerback: Big 10: Rod Woodson Purdue (other good ones: Herb Adderly MSU, Dick LeBeau OSU; Ty Law Mich. Pac 12: Mike Haynes AZ St. SEC: Champ BAiley Georgia ACC: Deion Sanders FSU Big 12: Aqib Talib Kansas Safety: Big Ten: Paul Krause Iowa Pac 12: Ronnie Lott USC SEC: Yale Lary Tex A&M ACC: Ed Reed Miami Big 12: Bobby Dillon Texas Again, if you think I missed someone (highly possible) or if you think there could be someone better...let us know. On my "Homerism" note.....not one OSU player taken. And the only guy that played for the Browns was Clay Matthews. Can anyone name an OLB that came out of the Pac 12 that was better than Clay? I can find one guy who is arguable: Lance Briggs OLB from Arizona. But, overall I think I will stick with Clay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 2 hours ago, The Gipper said: On my "Homerism" note.....not one OSU player taken. And the only guy that played for the Browns was Clay Matthews. Can anyone name an OLB that came out of the Pac 12 that was better than Clay? I can find one guy who is arguable: Lance Briggs OLB from Arizona. But, overall I think I will stick with Clay. On 6/3/2020 at 4:08 PM, The Gipper said: Heard something about this on the radio today. Thought I would put it to the test: Who is the best player at each position to come out of each Power 5 Conference (as currently constituted). Here is my list. Let us know if you have alternative thoughts: Quarterbacks: Big Ten: Tom Brady, Michigan Pac 12: John Elway Stanford SEC: Peyton Manning, Tennessee ACC: Dan Marino, Pitt Big 12: Bobby Layne Texas (but...some day Mahomes may take this) Running Backs: Big Ten: Eddie George Ohio St. (though...I may have to relent and name Franco Harris...convince me I am right) Pac 12: OJ Simpson USC SEC: Emmitt Smith Florida ACC: Jim Brown Syracuse Big 12: Barry Sanders OK St. Wide Receivers: Big Ten: Paul Warfield Ohio St (by a scoche over Cris Carter) Pac 12: James Lofton Stanford SEC: Lance Alworth Arkansas (Julio Jones though may take over before career ends) ACC: Larry Fitzgerald Pitt Big 12: Tommy McDonald OK Tight Ends Big Ten Charlie Sanders Minnesota Pac 12: Tony Gonzales Cal SEC: Ozzie Newsome Alabama ACC: Could not decide between Mike Ditka Pitt and John Mackey Syracuse Big 12: Keith Jackson OK Offensive Tackle: Big Ten: Orlando Pace Ohio St. Pac 12: Anthony Munoz USC SEC: Lomas Brown Florida ACC: Walter Jones FSU Big 12: Mike McCormack Kansas OCs/OGs Big Ten: Mike Webster Wisconsin Pac 12: Bruce Matthews USC SEC: John Hannah Alabama Big 12: Russell Okung Oklahoma Defense later. I might put Megatron over Fitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 SWC All-time Best Pros. Defense: Let's get started with MLB (1): Yes Tommy Nobis played at Texas, But Mike Singletary of Baylor was the best both in college and the pros. OLB (2): Von Miller Texas A&M and future HOF and Zach Thomas Texas Tech DT (2): Bob Lilly TCU and Dan Hampton Arkansas CB (2): Lester Hayes Texas A&M Pat Thomas Texas A&M Safety (2): Steve Atwater Arkansas and Bill Bradley Texas Still mulling over DE: the risk of being called a homer I have to put Michael Bennett DE Texas A&M with Superbowl rings with 2 different team. EDIT: At the risk of being called a homer I have to put Michael Bennett DE Texas A&M and Jacob Green Texas A&M Special mention for NT Jerry Ball SMU Offense tomorrow maybe-harder to identity the fatties in the OL.🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 One of the issues from back in the day for both the SEC and the SWC.....was: segregation. Some of the greatest players that came out of the south didn't play at the "big schools" because they were black. Places like Grambling got some of the players that would eventually become great pros. Joe Greene had to go to North Texas St. (don't you think that either Texas/TAMU/OK could have used a guy like that. Gene Upsha/Darrell Green went to Texas A&I. We could probably get a damned good team just taking guys that came from the TBCs (Traditional Black Colleges) Doug Williams at QB, Walter Payton, maybe Jerry Rice (not sure if his school was a TBCs) John Stallworth....a few just off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 3 hours ago, The Gipper said: One of the issues from back in the day for both the SEC and the SWC.....was: segregation. Some of the greatest players that came out of the south didn't play at the "big schools" because they were black. Places like Grambling got some of the players that would eventually become great pros. Joe Greene had to go to North Texas St. (don't you think that either Texas/TAMU/OK could have used a guy like that. Gene Upsha/Darrell Green went to Texas A&I. We could probably get a damned good team just taking guys that came from the TBCs (Traditional Black Colleges) Doug Williams at QB, Walter Payton, maybe Jerry Rice (not sure if his school was a TBCs) John Stallworth....a few just off the top of my head. There was a really good documentary about this subject running on Showtime for a while, about how Bear Bryant probably scheduled USC around 1970 with the idea that the Trojans, an integrated team, would beat the shit out of Alabama... with the hopes that their fans would realize that the Crimson Tide needed black players to compete, and would allow their university to enter the 20th century. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 14 hours ago, The Gipper said: One of the issues from back in the day for both the SEC and the SWC.....was: segregation. Some of the greatest players that came out of the south didn't play at the "big schools" because they were black. Places like Grambling got some of the players that would eventually become great pros. Joe Greene had to go to North Texas St. (don't you think that either Texas/TAMU/OK could have used a guy like that. Gene Upsha/Darrell Green went to Texas A&I. We could probably get a damned good team just taking guys that came from the TBCs (Traditional Black Colleges) Doug Williams at QB, Walter Payton, maybe Jerry Rice (not sure if his school was a TBCs) John Stallworth....a few just off the top of my head. Dick "Night Train" Lane was one of the truly great defensive players who was born & raised in Austin, but only attended a Junior College. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Train_Lane I had the displeasure of watching the first great black player for Hayden Fry, Jerry LeVias, dismantle our defense and pull out a game in the list minute in 1967. Those two were the primary reason SMU had won the SWC Championship the year before. I have always revered Fry for being a groundbreaker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 57 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Dick "Night Train" Lane was one of the truly great defensive players who was born & raised in Austin, but only attended a Junior College. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Train_Lane I had the displeasure of watching the first great black player for Hayden Fry, Jerry LeVias, dismantle our defense and pull out a game in the list minute in 1967. Those two were the primary reason SMU had won the SWC Championship the year before. I have always revered Fry for being a groundbreaker. I see that Lane served 4 years in the military (Koreas) which was the reason he never "graduated" from his JC to a 4 year school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 4 hours ago, The Gipper said: I see that Lane served 4 years in the military (Koreas) which was the reason he never "graduated" from his JC to a 4 year school. Oh yeah and Jerry Ball was another of Fry's great black players for SMU. A really special squatty body player like Alex Karras. Two of the greatest against the run ever IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 12:37 PM, The Gipper said: Cornerback: Big 10: Rod Woodson Purdue (other good ones: Herb Adderly MSU, Dick LeBeau OSU; Ty Law Mich. Pac 12: Mike Haynes AZ St. SEC: Champ BAiley Georgia ACC: Deion Sanders FSU Big 12: Aqib Talib Kansas not here to high jack a tread.. but, most browns fans should remember playing this hard-nose Corner twice a season.. https://nfl.com/news/former-bengals-cb-ken-riley-who-had-65-ints-dies-at-72 RIP Kenny Riley 🙏... a 6th round pick that played his college football at QB... until Riley met up with former Browns coach Paul Brown... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, gumby73 said: not here to high jack a tread.. but, most browns fans should remember playing this hard-nose Corner twice a season.. https://nfl.com/news/former-bengals-cb-ken-riley-who-had-65-ints-dies-at-72 RIP Kenny Riley 🙏... a 6th round pick that played his college football at QB... until Riley met up with former Browns coach Paul Brown... Are you saying you would put him on your "Traditional Black College" All Time Team ? Floriday A&M product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 2 hours ago, The Gipper said: Are you saying you would put him on your "Traditional Black College" All Time Team ? Floriday A&M product. I could give 2 man tits if Mr.Riley was orange.. said nothing of the sort but, A small school classic corner is more like it... Until Tom Brady goes in..? 1951 Jack Chrstiansen DB Detroit Lions... is the only 6th round pick in the HOF..period! per link.."Ken Riley is the only player ranking among the nfl top 5 in career* interceptions not* in the HOF with 65 picks" Revis should get in? but the closest DB steals from small school venues, i could maybe see getting in also? Sea.-11th rd pick Dwayne Harper///5th rd. pick Rodney Harrison(is he not a candidate for hof or in?) ///and Mia. 7th rd. pick Jake Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 12:37 PM, The Gipper said: Big 10: Rod Woodson Purdue (other good ones: Herb Adderly MSU, Dick LeBeau OSU; Ty Law Mich. Charles Woodson should at least be listed here if not the pick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, bjh2130 said: Charles Woodson should at least be listed here if not the pick Not a bad choice. I think I would take Rod over Charles when it comes to the Woodson's....but yes, very close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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