Icecube Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 If the Browns are to produce a winning record in 2020 (or better), what will most likely be the biggest cause? 1.) Baker has grown up and will play his best football as a pro. There were plenty of things to blame the 2019 fiasco on. But Baker himself was as big of reason as any; he clearly regressed from 2018. Yes, the OL had it's problems, but Baker had time on many plays that he just made bad throws. As things considered, if Baker plays top 15 QB play, the team could make waves. And I did hear him say 2019 humbled him, so that's a start. 2.) Not having Mr. Freddie as HC. He was way over his head. Stef has to be better, right? Could the removal of a clown at HC make all the difference? 3.) Better OL play. 4.) A more mature team not getting pulled down from hype. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 The easy answer is all four areas. I think areas 1 and 3 will see great improvement. I’m hopeful 2 is fixed and 4 maybe a little. But I’ve been in this camp for a long time. It is Baker and I’ll tell You why the others aren’t biggest reason. I think Freddie hurt us in some of those close loses. But the second half of the year Freddie could have found his groove and we could have lost 37-30 type games anyway. The line had some stinkers no doubt...but they blocked for Chubb and even the times when Baker played from a clean pocket- we still didn’t produce on offense. i think the hype maybe gave us a false sense of bravado in training camp and preseason BUT that was over 3pm ET week 1 when the Titans punched us in the mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypicalBrowns50 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypicalBrowns50 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 I will add, if there is any unit to be concerned about this year it is absolutely the Defense. Especially the linebacker core. Our D wasn’t especially good last year either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Ice - I think you nailed the main things that were bad and cannot be bad anymore in order to be successful. I would hope for a winning season. But lets remember, once again, there's a WHOLE LOT of new with the Browns right now. The OL will have at least two and possibly three new players. One maybe two rookies. The whole new playbook, new coaches, new GM thing that us fans are so familiar with. Add to that the coronavirus affects that will be coming down the pike. I'm going to hope for gradual improvement throughout the season culminating with what looks like a solid team. I'd like to see them win the last quarter of the season. (go 3-1........no matter who they have to play) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted May 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 53 minutes ago, Orion said: Ice - I think you nailed the main things that were bad and cannot be bad anymore in order to be successful. I would hope for a winning season. But lets remember, once again, there's a WHOLE LOT of new with the Browns right now. The OL will have at least two and possibly three new players. One maybe two rookies. The whole new playbook, new coaches, new GM thing that us fans are so familiar with. Add to that the coronavirus affects that will be coming down the pike. I'm going to hope for gradual improvement throughout the season culminating with what looks like a solid team. I'd like to see them win the last quarter of the season. (go 3-1........no matter who they have to play) Orion, appreciate your takes. 😁 I don't buy the "whole new system" thing. How many times has a D or O had a "whole new system" and kicked butt year 1? It's not rocket science. If OBJ was hurt all last season and is healthy now? A real LT? Uh oh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Start Here... Baker 317 of 524=59.4% 3827 yards..22 TD's, 21 picks with 40 sacks.. VS. Cousins Under Stef, ..307 of 444=69.1% 3603 yards..26 TDs, 6 picks with 28 sacks.. and yes, Ya can't win games committing 152 penalties in 16 games at a rate of 9.5/game.. We win games when Chubb see's 20 touches...Hunt could use more & not miss 1st 8 games... Defense? it's all on Coach Woods 🤞 tackle & our back-end in coverage should be better (but, get your damm heads turned around making plays on ball while in air) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 12 hours ago, Icecube said: 2.) Not having Mr. Freddie as HC. He was way over his head. Stef has to be better, right? Could the removal of a clown at HC make all the difference? If l could only pick one l would go with number two. Stef and the coaching crew have to put together consistently winning game plans that the players can buy into. We all heard the reports of Freddie doing goofy things like not having the playbook ready in a timely fashion before the start of the season and calling plays the team hasn’t practiced in a while, so when players start asking themselves, “Why is coach doing jive shit again?”, well, that’s a bad sign. Also, we must ask the question “who does number 2 work for?” And the answer of course is Dr. Evil, renowned heart extraction surgeon who performs his craft every year or two on the same living subjects when he doesn’t see the pulmonary results he likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 I think the playcalling was awful last year, mostly on the offensive side. Simply going for a fast paced offense with short passes and many carries can do wonders with the offensive performance. More play action, Baker working his ass off and focusing. Give the ball to our silent hammer, Mr. Chubb and his kick ass companion, Hunt. Also, the penalties killed us and the offseason hype made it hard for the team to swallow losing Myles. I think that became a turning point where the season only went downhill because the team gave up on the coaching and didn't fight back. Good thing is that last season was a call down to earth for many of our players (Myles, Baker, for example) and getting them pumped up to show what they are worth could be a factor, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 With an offense based more on running I hope to see longer times of possession which allow our thin defense plenty of time to rest on the sidelines. A rested first team D can win those close ones we tend to drop in the second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 9 hours ago, Icecube said: I don't buy the "whole new system" thing. I do. It's not a big deal for the RBs...but timing between receivers and the QB on new routes takes time to acquire. Not to mention our 1st round pick needing to learn a new position...and of course the OL having perhaps three new pieces. They have to learn how to work together. Too much newness to expect great things. I'm not drinking the kool-aid nor will I entertain hype. --- i think buying into the hype last year by the team was a major problem. Guys were not working hard enough nor taking it seriously enough. After all, they were gonna be in the super bowl without even stepping onto the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 The biggest factor in bringing a winning season would be to score more points than the other team. Wouldn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted May 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Orion said: I do. It's not a big deal for the RBs...but timing between receivers and the QB on new routes takes time to acquire. Not to mention our 1st round pick needing to learn a new position...and of course the OL having perhaps three new pieces. They have to learn how to work together. Too much newness to expect great things. I'm not drinking the kool-aid nor will I entertain hype. --- i think buying into the hype last year by the team was a major problem. Guys were not working hard enough nor taking it seriously enough. After all, they were gonna be in the super bowl without even stepping onto the field. There are a limited amount of routes ran, they mostly all run the same routes. An 8 route is an 8 route. It's the terminology that changes. And on D, how many times have you seen a D improve dramatically in the very 1st year of a new system? A lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 36 minutes ago, Icecube said: There are a limited amount of routes ran, they mostly all run the same routes. An 8 route is an 8 route. It's the terminology that changes. And on D, how many times have you seen a D improve dramatically in the very 1st year of a new system? A lot. The Defense had the secondary out for half the year with hamstrings and then when they returned relatively healthy the best pass rusher in football was out. Wilks for whatever reason was awful here too. I argued with some on here that our overall the effort didn’t look that great. It looked like some guys were not talented enough or just flat out quit. A New leader would certainly change that. As far as attitude of don’t expect much from year to year. We were are very underachieving 6 win team that could have very well met Just some not all expectations and been a 9-10 win team. im far more pessimistic in some areas though than others. I don’t expect Wills to just change sides as a rookie in the NFL At one of the toughest positions and have a good season. He’s gonna struggle at times and we will certainly hear we need a vet there at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Biggest factor? Health... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 52 minutes ago, Icecube said: There are a limited amount of routes ran, Yes there are...but there are routes that some offensive systems really don't run. We have the talent to be successful. If the ducks line up nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob806 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 9 hours ago, Orion said: I do. It's not a big deal for the RBs...but timing between receivers and the QB on new routes takes time to acquire. Not to mention our 1st round pick needing to learn a new position...and of course the OL having perhaps three new pieces. They have to learn how to work together. Too much newness to expect great things. I'm not drinking the kool-aid nor will I entertain hype. --- i think buying into the hype last year by the team was a major problem. Guys were not working hard enough nor taking it seriously enough. After all, they were gonna be in the super bowl without even stepping onto the field. That's what I'm worried about too. I think all the teams with new coaching staffs may be behind the 8 ball. Like others mentioned, the defense is a concern. I'm glad Wilks is gone, that scheme sucked. But it may take time to gel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzz2 Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 OL Play, protect the cornerstone.. LB, pretty thin there, guess we will see if Mack and Co step up. Hopefully after training camp cuts, there will be some unexpected LB cuts. Coaching. Freddie was way in over his head, Stef. hopefully plants the foundation going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted May 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 8 hours ago, Orion said: Yes there are...but there are routes that some offensive systems really don't run. We have the talent to be successful. If the ducks line up nicely. True. If there is an epiphany. Let Stef have a chance. Let him run it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 Scoring more than the other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted May 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 On 5/5/2020 at 3:34 PM, Tour2ma said: Biggest factor? Health... That's a given, but other than injuries... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 17 hours ago, Icecube said: That's a given, but other than injuries... More than a given in our case. It's of paramount importance. Save maybe QB and Safety we don't have the depth to lose any starter without a serious talent fall off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted May 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 7 hours ago, Tour2ma said: More than a given in our case. It's of paramount importance. Save maybe QB and Safety we don't have the depth to lose any starter without a serious talent fall off. Are many teams any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 Hold the other team to fewer points every game. I win the chicken dinner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 If ya want a honest answer on what not* to do? Ask Nick Chubb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 7 hours ago, Icecube said: Are many teams any different? Have to define "many", but yes, more than a couple are very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 4 hours ago, ballpeen said: Hold the other team to fewer points every game. I win the chicken dinner. BUZZZZ too late. Other got their hand on that poultry before you. But we will leave a couple of wings for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 Coaching. We all saw just how different the same talent performed with Hue compared to Greg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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