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5 hours ago, Icecube said:

Starters are still there,

...actually I was hoping one of the backups was going to beat out our RG starter, Teller.

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On 8/7/2020 at 7:09 AM, Zombo said:

This is a disturbing trend.

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It is very disturbing; but Rookie (backup) C Nick Harris should be able to back-up both Guards as well.  Back in 2000, the undrafted Shaun O'Hara started off as a backup Center and Guard. 

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The position group that scares me the most and our opponents the least is Linebacker. It feels like we're asking 3 Dog Night to come play us some LBer in life after marijuana and music.  

Having said that, if we use 3 LBs instead of 2 - it should make their responsibilities a little more reasonable.  Mack Wilson went from very good defensive schemes at Bama to a Defensive scheme that thought 2 LBers is a good idea in the NFL.  That couldn't have been a fun NFL learning curve for the guy.  

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14 minutes ago, Flugel said:

The position group that scares me the most and our opponents the least is Linebacker. It feels like we're asking 3 Dog Night to come play us some LBer in life after marijuana and music.  

Having said that, if we use 3 LBs instead of 2 - it should make their responsibilities a little more reasonable.  Mack Wilson went from very good defensive schemes at Bama to a Defensive scheme that thought 2 LBers is a good idea in the NFL.  That couldn't have been a fun NFL learning curve for the guy.  

Oh brother!  :lol:

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1 hour ago, Flugel said:

 Linebacker. It feels like we're asking 3 Dog Night to come play us some LBer in life after marijuana and music.    

 

      Mom to Gregg Williams is holding on line one 🤣    

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On 8/9/2020 at 10:45 AM, Flugel said:

The position group that scares me the most and our opponents the least is Linebacker. It feels like we're asking 3 Dog Night to come play us some LBer in life after marijuana and music.  

Having said that, if we use 3 LBs instead of 2 - it should make their responsibilities a little more reasonable.  Mack Wilson went from very good defensive schemes at Bama to a Defensive scheme that thought 2 LBers is a good idea in the NFL.  That couldn't have been a fun NFL learning curve for the guy.  

Majority offensive snaps in the NFL are 11 personnel.  Therefore a majority of defensive snaps in the NFL are nickel sets.   So.... Yeah.  It's a pretty good idea. 

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My contribution - watching newly signed MJ Stewart.

I'm not seeing an outside corner.  I'm actually not seeing a corner at all. 

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8/11/20

Updated, every player on the current roster listed ... the depth and roster projections are all IMO

QB B.Mayfield, C. Keenum, G. Gilbert, K. Davidson

FB/H-B A. Janovich, J. Stanton

RB  N. Chubb,  K. Hunt, D. Hilliard, D. Johnson, B. LeMay

WR1  O. Beckham,  D. Ratley,  K. Hodge, T.Taylor, J Natson, J. Moore

WR2 J. Landry,  R. Higgins,  D. Peoples-Jones, D. Montgomery, J. Bradley

TE  A. Hooper, D. Njoku, , H. Bryant , P. Brown, S. Carlson, 

LT J. Wills, K. Lamm, A. Taylor

LG J. Bitonio , J. Dunn

C J.Tretter , N. Harris, E. Brown, C.Dunn

RG  W. Teller ,  W. Wright,

RT J. Conklin,  C. Hubbard,

 

DE M. Garrett, C. Thomas, R. McCray

DT  Ogunjobi,   E. Ankou

DT  S. Richardson, J. Elliott, D. Eukale,

DE O. Vernon,  A. Clayborn, P. Gustin, G.Obinna

MLB M. Wilson, B.J. Goodson, T.Davis, T. Young

OLB S. Takitaki, J Phillips, W. Harvey S. Ajayi

CB D. Ward , T. Thomas, R. Jackson, D. Olumba

CB  G. Williams, T. Mitchell, D. Lewis, 

Slot  K. Johnson, A. Green, MJ Stewart, 

FS G. Delpit, A.Sendejo, S. Redwine, M. Meander

SS  K. Joseph, JT Hassell, E. Benton

 

K A. Seibert

P  J. Gillan

LS Hughlett

KR  (D. Johnson)  (T.Thomas) (J. Natson)

PR  (D. Peoples-Jones) (J. Landry) (J. Natson)

 

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10 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

My contribution - watching newly signed MJ Stewart.

I'm not seeing an outside corner.  I'm actually not seeing a corner at all. 

From what I read he has safety skillset. Might not make the team, probably giving him a looksie because he's a former second rounder with playing experience, but I don't know where he fits in.

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am seeing a lot of Big Nickle Safety's on the field & Steward will be in that mix.Lamar week 1..Am beginning to really wonder, what Wood's want's seen👀 on these live streamed Camp practice's? 🤔.. MJ is a scrappy baller on ST's too!!

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On 8/11/2020 at 7:58 AM, Zombo said:

From what I read he has safety skillset. Might not make the team, probably giving him a looksie because he's a former second rounder with playing experience, but I don't know where he fits in.

Zombo

It's not so much the skillset I see, but the skillset I don't see.  That sudden burst, the smooth lateral change of direction and hip fluidity in all good corners - I just don"t see it here.  I haven't even checked out his listed speed, but I would doubt he's a mid 4.4 runner.   

His build and downhill pursuit scream hash, but just "moving" from CB to S isn't a transition as easy and common as many make it sound.

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On 8/11/2020 at 7:57 AM, Zombo said:

RB  N. Chubb,  K. Hunt, D. Hilliard, D. Johnson, B. LeMay

WR1  O. Beckham,  D. Ratley,  K. Hodge, T.Taylor, J Natson, J. Moore

WR2 J. Landry,  R. Higgins,  D. Peoples-Jones, D. Montgomery, J. Bradley

TE  A. Hooper, D. Njoku, , H. Bryant , P. Brown, S. Carlson, 

I'll be interested to see how Stef & Berry sort out the skill positions.  No track record with them.  We know Stef likes his TE's.  And he likes to run anywhere along the LOS.  I don't really see a good blocking TE in the bunch though.  Probably keep four.  

At RB, LeMay is the little bowling ball of the bunch.  Would he have a shot to be the third back?  I think Hunt is a better receiving back than Hilliard.  I'm guessing we only keep three since they'll probably keep one of the FB's on the roster. 

We've got a lot of WR's but I don't know how certain Higgins, Ratley or Hodge are  of making the team.  

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On 8/11/2020 at 12:02 PM, SdBacker80 said:

Depth chart in the best shape I’ve seen in awhile.

Maybe add a Guard? An Experienced DT? 

On paper, they look talented. Stef has to be the man to bring it all together. Let him do his job.  

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Maybe I grade to harshly? 🤓..On paper... 7-8 players on this offense could start elsewhere & am excluding Baker for now... But good lord look at that Defense! 👀 So I'll ask again..How many could start elsewhere not named Myles Garrett on this Defense?.....   Richardson? Ogun? Ward? Joesph?  Vernon? Any LB'er? Could they start for the Jets? Giants? Jags? Bengals? And those Teams are not feared by anyone in this league...

Btw, Good Friday Morning! And the 10 Padded practices can't come soon enough 🏈.. Good Luck, Joe Woods!  😇

Edit-- Chip Banks..get well champ! 🙏

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3 hours ago, gumby73 said:

Maybe I grade to harshly? 🤓..On paper... 7-8 players on this offense could start elsewhere & am excluding Baker for now... But good lord look at that Defense! 👀 So I'll ask again..How many could start elsewhere not named Myles Garrett on this Defense?.....   Richardson? Ogun? Ward? Joesph?  Vernon? Any LB'er? Could they start for the Jets? Giants? Jags? Bengals? And those Teams are not feared by anyone in this league...

Btw, Good Friday Morning! And the 10 Padded practices can't come soon enough 🏈.. Good Luck, Joe Woods!  😇

Edit-- Chip Banks..get well champ! 🙏

Start elsewhere?  You mean like, anywhere?  I would say that they all could start elsewhere, somewhere. 

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So here's what I saw after cutting up on Browns Daily Camp day 1 👀

1.) Wills has the tree trunk leg view over Conklin.. With Baker under center..LT-Wills LG-Bitonio C-Harris(tretter was out) RG-Teller RT-Conklin//// Two's= With Kenum under center..LT-Hubbard LG-Willie Wright C-Evan Brown RG-Dunn RT-Lamm ///Fair played LG3 with Gilbert under Center. And for what's it's worth? Carlson & P.Brown played TE3's

2) Hooper & Njoku TE1's//Njoku & Harrison Bryant TE2's with Keenum//TE3's P.Brown & Carlson.. Having a good look at Njoku, imho..  WR DPJ, had a nice high point of ball thrown by Keenum with the 2's

3) Sandejo & Joesph ran against the 1's..Delpit & Redwine saw 2's..Mack Wilson & Taki shared reps with both..

4) Misc? CB Kevin Johnson had a nice press coverage pick. Than got beat deep by Keenum throwing a bomb to Hodge. Tavierre, Hodge, JoJo, DPJ & many other DB's & Lb'ers, may make this squad by ST's?..The extra bonus of position of need? Is what Josh Cribbs will find interesting at cut time

Only Day 1..Things can Change & more likely will...Were off today & back at it Sunday for Day 2...  

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Updated 8/17 after reading some training camp notes and adding new acquisitions.

QB B.Mayfield, C. Keenum, G. Gilbert, K. Davidson

FB/H-B A. Janovich, J. Stanton

RB  N. Chubb,  K. Hunt, D. Hilliard, D. Johnson, B. LeMay

WR1  O. Beckham,  J. NatsonD. Ratley, T.Taylor, K. Hodge, ,  J. Moore

WR2 J. Landry,  R. Higgins,  D. Peoples-Jones, D. Montgomery, J. Bradley

TE  A. Hooper, D. Njoku, , H. Bryant , P. Brown, S. Carlson, 

LT J. Wills, , C. Hubbard, A. Taylor

LG J. Bitonio ,  M. Dunn

C J.Tretter , N. Harris, E. Brown, C.Dunn

RG  W. Teller ,   W. Wright

RT J. Conklin,  , K. Lamm

 

DE M. Garrett, C. Thomas, R. McCray

DT  Ogunjobi,   E. Ankou, R. Walker

DT  S. Richardson, J. Elliott, D. Eukale,

DE O. Vernon,  A. Clayborn, P. Gustin, G.Obinna

MLB S. Takitaki, B.J. Goodson, T.Davis, T. Young

OLB M. Wilson, J Phillips, W. Harvey S. Ajayi, M. Meander

CB D. Ward , T. Thomas, R. Jackson, D. Olumba

CB  G. Williams, T. Mitchell, D. Lewis, 

Slot  K. Johnson, A. Green, MJ Stewart, 

FS G. Delpit, A.Sendejo, J. Moffat

SS  K. Joseph, S. Redwine,  JT Hassell, E. Benton

 

K A. Seibert

P  J. Gillan

LS Hughlett

KR  (J. Natson)(D. Johnson)  (R. Hilliard) 

PR  (D. Peoples-Jones)(J. Natson) 

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48 minutes ago, Zombo said:

Updated 8/17 after reading some training camp notes and adding new acquisitions.

QB B.Mayfield, C. Keenum, G. Gilbert, K. Davidson

FB/H-B A. Janovich, J. Stanton

RB  N. Chubb,  K. Hunt, D. Hilliard, D. Johnson, B. LeMay

WR1  O. Beckham,  J. NatsonD. Ratley, T.Taylor, K. Hodge, ,  J. Moore

WR2 J. Landry,  R. Higgins,  D. Peoples-Jones, D. Montgomery, J. Bradley

TE  A. Hooper, D. Njoku, , H. Bryant , P. Brown, S. Carlson, 

LT J. Wills, K. Lamm, A. Taylor

LG J. Bitonio ,  W. Wright

C J.Tretter , N. Harris, E. Brown, C.Dunn

RG  W. Teller ,   M. Dunn

RT J. Conklin,  C. Hubbard,

 

DE M. Garrett, C. Thomas, R. McCray

DT  Ogunjobi,   E. Ankou

DT  S. Richardson, J. Elliott, D. Eukale,

DE O. Vernon,  A. Clayborn, P. Gustin, G.Obinna

MLB S. Takitaki, B.J. Goodson, T.Davis, T. Young

OLB M. Wilson, J Phillips, W. Harvey S. Ajayi

CB D. Ward , T. Thomas, R. Jackson, D. Olumba

CB  G. Williams, T. Mitchell, D. Lewis, 

Slot  K. Johnson, A. Green, MJ Stewart, 

FS G. Delpit, A.Sendejo, S. Redwine, M. Meander

SS  K. Joseph, JT Hassell, E. Benton

 

K A. Seibert

P  J. Gillan

LS Hughlett

KR  (J. Natson)(D. Johnson)  (T.Thomas) 

PR  (D. Peoples-Jones)(J. Natson) (J. Landry) 

So, what is this "Slot" position on defense?   Is it actually anticipated that the Browns will be going with a 4-2-5 defense as their standard defense? 

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2 hours ago, The Gipper said:

So, what is this "Slot" position on defense?   Is it actually anticipated that the Browns will be going with a 4-2-5 defense as their standard defense? 

It's the nickelback. I don't think we'll have three linebackers on the field more than 10 percent of the time, we didn't last year.

Zombo

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I think we keep 3 QBs active in Mayfield, Keenum, and Gilbert.  Davidson sticks to the Practice Squad.

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On 8/17/2020 at 5:57 PM, ballpeen said:

I think we keep 3 QBs active in Mayfield, Keenum, and Gilbert.  Davidson sticks to the Practice Squad.

My take on that is that with the new rules, you can put veterans on the practice squad, and you can protect up to four guys on the practice squad and acitivate them right up to the morning before the game, so I see most teams keep 2 QBs and stashing their third on the protected practice squad list. So Gilbert goes to PS and Davidson goes home.

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On 8/17/2020 at 3:56 PM, Zombo said:

It's the nickelback. I don't think we'll have three linebackers on the field more than 10 percent of the time, we didn't last year.

Zombo

And didn't that brilliant formation have them near dead last in rush D? 

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1 hour ago, Icecube said:

And didn't that brilliant formation have them near dead last in rush D? 

Did they mainly run with only  2 LBs last year?  I don't know if I recall that.  Joe Woods taking over for Steve Wilks.  Don't know if he is going to follow the same pattern. 

With Wilson perhaps out....we don't have more than 2 decent LBs that we can play, do we?

Takitaki.  Goodson.  And who knows about the rookie Phillips. 

We could end up having 4 of our rookies starting:  Wills,  Harris (Tretter being hurt),  Delpit,  Phillips. 

Does that seem like a lot of rookies for a team that hopes to contend? 

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49 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Did they mainly run with only  2 LBs last year?  I don't know if I recall that.  Joe Woods taking over for Steve Wilks.  Don't know if he is going to follow the same pattern. 

With Wilson perhaps out....we don't have more than 2 decent LBs that we can play, do we?

Takitaki.  Goodson.  And who knows about the rookie Phillips. 

We could end up having 4 of our rookies starting:  Wills,  Harris (Tretter being hurt),  Delpit,  Phillips. 

Does that seem like a lot of rookies for a team that hopes to contend? 

It seems like it. This means they need some vets to step up to provide leadership. It is a must. 

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Our D-coordinator last year was a 2 LB'er guy.  And yes, our run D wasn't great...and got progressively worse.  

I'm not 100% sure what to make of the 2 LB'er thing.  I always felt that they were a liability on pass plays where they had to cover TE's or RB's.   (we haven't been able to cover a TE this century)

And I'll never forget ballpeen's comment on another board, "Us blitzing is like running 1 or 2 of our players off the field".   Still makes me laugh.   Now, of course, with Myles, we have a better DL so that when we blitz it IS more difficult for the OL.

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1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

Sign Clay Matthews III !!!

Originally I was thinking, No.  But after looking at the experience level of the LB'er room...


Solomon Ajayi   58    LB    6-0    222    23    R    Liberty
Davis-Tae-          55    LB    6-1    224    24    3    Chattanooga

Goodson-BJ-      93    LB    6-1    242    27    5    Clemson 
Harvey-Willie-     56    LB    5-11    230    24    2    Iowa State
Meander-Montrel-  41    LB    6-2    215    25    1    Grambling State
Phillips-Jacob-    50    LB    6-3    229    21    R    LSU
Takitaki-Sione-    44    LB    6-1    238    25    2    BYU
Wilson-Mack-      51    LB    6-1    233    22    2    Alabama

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On 8/19/2020 at 8:56 AM, Zombo said:

My take on that is that with the new rules, you can put veterans on the practice squad, and you can protect up to four guys on the practice squad and acitivate them right up to the morning before the game, so I see most teams keep 2 QBs and stashing their third on the protected practice squad list. So Gilbert goes to PS and Davidson goes home.

Could be.  I just like 3 qbs on the bench.

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It's also... *Worth Mentioning;) we can take this link with a grain of salt with cut downs & a few possible additions? or just do this 🙈 till than...

https://cleveland.com/browns/2020/08/browns-depth-chart-2020-what-it-looks-like-after-the-first-week-of-training-camp.html   

after seeing 3 go down in last 5 days?..I'm requesting that Kareem Hunt get's Saturday practice off & let's get to working on? whom's in* between Lemay/D'ern Johnson & D Hilliard?

  

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