The Gipper Posted July 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Here is today's question.....sort of the finale of the "triple set" Name the Top Ten in Browns history in TD receptions. Answers: 1. Gary Collins 70 2. Dante Lavelli 62 3. Paul Warfield 52 4. Ray Renfro 50 5. Ozzie Newsome 47 6. Mac Speedie 33 7. Reggie Rucker 32 8. Braylon Edwards 28 9. Michael Jackson 28 10. Webster Slaughter 27 Is it just me or what, as in my recollection I thought Webster was a much better receiver than either Braylon or Jackson Dave Logan is 11th with 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Here is today's Trivia Question: Pro-Football Reference has developed a metric called the Career Average, which is supposed to tell us how productive a player has been in a career or a season. While it is obviously not conclusive of a player's "value"...it is something....and perhaps as good or better than any other metric that has been developed. (If you have something else applicable, by all means, let us know). Also note...this metric does not really measure much if any statistical measurement prior to 1960 Today's question, simply: Name the Top Ten All Time most productive players in their careers per this system. (since 1960) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 7/22/2020 at 7:21 PM, Dutch Oven said: Ozzie Newsome Paul Warfield Webster Slaughter Dante Lavelli Gary Collins Dave Logan Mac Speedie Braylon Edwards Reggie Langhorne Kevin Johnson For some reason I did not see this post...sorry. Bold were correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Yikes. We are supposed to figure out who the most productive players are by a value that most of us have never heard of? Does this only apply to skill position players, or all players? I mean, shit, I'll throw up Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Walter Payton and Rob Gronkowski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: Yikes. We are supposed to figure out who the most productive players are by a value that most of us have never heard of? Does this only apply to skill position players, or all players? I mean, shit, I'll throw up Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Walter Payton and Rob Gronkowski. You will have heard of ALL of the players, if you are any kind of football fan. Longevity helps in this stat. Brady and Rice are correct.....but not Walter or Gronk. I will give this hint: It applies to all players and 5 of the top 10 are QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, The Gipper said: You will have heard of ALL of the players, if you are any kind of football fan. Longevity helps in this stat. Brady and Rice are correct.....but not Walter or Gronk. I will give this hint: It applies to all players and 5 of the top 10 are QBs. Hmmm... I'll try Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Emmit Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 14 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Emmit Smith Bonus trivia....1990 draft... Whom was the AFCC team that Dallas traded up with for the Cowboys to draft Emmit Smith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 To throw in some defense.....Barry Sanders, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie Lott, my old favorite Joe cool Montana......and the great Jim Brown. You could probably start with 50 and whittle them down to 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 5 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Hmmm... I'll try Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Emmit Smith Peyton and Brees...check....but no on Montana/Smith, believe it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 4 hours ago, gumby73 said: Bonus trivia....1990 draft... Whom was the AFCN team that Dallas traded up with for the Cowboys to draft Emmit Smith? Only after you have given some answers to the original question. (but I recall that it was the Browns). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 hours ago, mjp28 said: To throw in some defense.....Barry Sanders, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie Lott, my old favorite Joe cool Montana......and the great Jim Brown. You could probably start with 50 and whittle them down to 10. Only Reggie White. I know...tremendous names given that did not make it. Half of the Ten still not named. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 Hmmmm the 5 quarterbacks Brady (given), Aikman, Staubach, Unitas, Starr?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 9 hours ago, The Gipper said: Only after you have given some answers to the original question. (but I recall that it was the Browns). I gave up when LT does not make any list...but plug in Joe Namath..Terry BradShaw...Steve Young? and... NO! the AFCC Browns did not pass on Emmitt Smith in 1990... Emmitt got picked #17, and the browns got jumped at pick #18... than the Browns traded back too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, mjp28 said: Hmmmm the 5 quarterbacks Brady (given), Aikman, Staubach, Unitas, Starr?? Well.... already guesses that got some right indicated that 3 of them were Brady, Peyton and Brees. So, no, none you name other than Brady are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, gumby73 said: I gave up when LT does not make any list...but plug in Joe Namath..Terry BradShaw...Steve Young? and... NO none right. NO! the AFCN Browns did not pass on Emmitt Smith in 1990... Emmitt got picked #17, and the browns got jumped at pick #18... than the Browns traded back too... Well....how about this answer: NONE....because the AFCN did not exist in 1990. It was still the AFC Central at that point. And, if you do not want to acknowledge the truth of that answer...then I will say the Houston Oilers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 AFC Standings Tm W L W-L% PF PA PD MoV SoS SRS OSRS DSRS AFC East Buffalo Bills* 13 3 .813 428 263 165 10.3 -1.7 8.6 5.7 2.9 Miami Dolphins+ 12 4 .750 336 242 94 5.9 -1.2 4.7 0.5 4.2 Indianapolis Colts 7 9 .438 281 353 -72 -4.5 0.6 -3.9 -2.7 -1.2 New York Jets 6 10 .375 295 345 -50 -3.1 -1.5 -4.6 -2.0 -2.6 New England Patriots 1 15 .063 181 446 -265 -16.6 2.0 -14.6 -7.5 -7.1 AFC Central Cincinnati Bengals* 9 7 .563 360 352 8 0.5 -1.6 -1.1 1.9 -3.0 Houston Oilers+ 9 7 .563 405 307 98 6.1 -0.9 5.2 4.9 0.3 Pittsburgh Steelers 9 7 .563 292 240 52 3.3 -1.6 1.6 -3.4 5.0 Cleveland Browns 3 13 .188 228 462 -234 -14.6 1.7 -13.0 -5.2 -7.8 AFC West Los Angeles Raiders* 12 4 .750 337 268 69 4.3 2.2 6.6 2.2 4.4 Kansas City Chiefs+ 11 5 .688 369 257 112 7.0 -0.3 6.7 2.7 4.1 Seattle Seahawks 9 7 .563 306 286 20 1.3 1.5 2.7 -0.5 3.3 San Diego Chargers 6 10 .375 315 281 34 2.1 0.2 2.3 -0.1 2.5 Denver Broncos 5 11 .313 331 374 -43 -2.7 1.9 -0.8 2.1 -2.9 Tm W L W-L% PF PA PD MoV SoS SRS OSRS DSRS NFC East New York Giants* 13 3 .813 335 211 124 7.8 -0.1 7.7 0.0 7.6 Philadelphia Eagles+ 10 6 .625 396 299 97 6.1 -0.5 5.6 4.5 1.1 Washington Redskins+ 10 6 .625 381 301 80 5.0 0.4 5.4 4.6 0.8 Dallas Cowboys 7 9 .438 244 308 -64 -4.0 0.3 -3.7 -4.8 1.1 Phoenix Cardinals 5 11 .313 268 396 -128 -8.0 1.3 -6.7 -1.9 -4.8 NFC Central Chicago Bears* 11 5 .688 348 280 68 4.3 -0.8 3.4 0.1 3.3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 6 10 .375 264 367 -103 -6.4 -0.7 -7.1 -4.0 -3.2 Detroit Lions 6 10 .375 373 413 -40 -2.5 0.9 -1.6 4.2 -5.9 Green Bay Packers 6 10 .375 271 347 -76 -4.8 0.6 -4.1 -3.7 -0.4 Minnesota Vikings 6 10 .375 351 326 25 1.6 0.9 2.4 2.6 -0.2 NFC West San Francisco 49ers* 14 2 .875 353 239 114 7.1 -1.4 5.8 1.2 4.6 New Orleans Saints+ 8 8 .500 274 275 -1 -0.1 -1.2 -1.3 -4.7 3.4 Los Angeles Rams 5 11 .313 345 412 -67 -4.2 -0.1 -4.2 2.3 -6.5 Atlanta Falcons 5 11 .313 348 365 -17 -1.1 -1.1 -2.1 0.9 -3.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 I stand divisional corrected your honor 🔨... and the team was Not* the Houston Oilers neither.... only leaving... Pittsburgh? or the Bengals? that traded out of the Emmitt Smith pick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 11 hours ago, The Gipper said: Well.... already guesses that got some right indicated that 3 of them were Brady, Peyton and Brees. So, no, none you name other than Brady are correct. Geeeezzzzz H. Christ are they players that we actually saw on TV ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, mjp28 said: Geeeezzzzz H. Christ are they players that we actually saw on TV ? One of the prefaces is that they are all players since 1960....so, being the old fart that you are, you certainly would have seen all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 11 hours ago, gumby73 said: I stand divisional corrected your honor 🔨... and the team was Not* the Houston Oilers neither.... only leaving... Pittsburgh? or the Bengals? that traded out of the Emmitt Smith pick... So...I got the question right, eh? NO team from the AFC North made that trade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 hours ago, The Gipper said: So...I got the question right, eh? NO team from the AFC North made that trade! Am honored to announce- 🔉nouce.. that The Pittsburgh Steelqueens 🔉queens..... were the AFC *Central team that gained a measly 3rd round pick, on passing up to Dallas for Emmitt Smith.. Sliding down only 4 picks from pick #17 to pick #21.. Like myself, most forget that Dallas had traded Herschel Walker in Oct. of 1989...for a butt-load of picks from The Soda Vikings.. https://americanfootballdatabase.fandom.com/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade Browns draft Leroy Hoard in the second..Pukes get RB Barry 'bananas' Foster in the fifth... Now back to our weekly... Get Stumped by Gipper! ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 On 7/26/2020 at 2:48 PM, The Gipper said: Here is today's Trivia Question: Pro-Football Reference has developed a metric called the Career Average, which is supposed to tell us how productive a player has been in a career or a season. While it is obviously not conclusive of a player's "value"...it is something....and perhaps as good or better than any other metric that has been developed. (If you have something else applicable, by all means, let us know). Also note...this metric does not really measure much if any statistical measurement prior to 1960 Today's question, simply: Name the Top Ten All Time most productive players in their careers per this system. (since 1960) Answers: 1. Tom Brady 2. Peyton Manning 3. Drew Brees 4. Brett Favre 5. Jerry Rice 6. Fran Tarkenton 7. Bruce Matthews 8. Rod Woodson 9. Reggie White 10. Bruce Smith the next 5 in order are: Ray Lewis, Dan Marino, Phillip Rivers, John Elway, Paul Krause/Anthony Munoz tie. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/av_career.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 This CA metric is actually a fairly good predictor for who will make the HOF. The 5 guys who have the best CA, and who are/have been eligible for the HOF are: Jim Marshall, Ken Anderson, Eric Allen, Jim Tyrer, Lomas Brown. As for these 4 my opinion is that Marshall, Anderson, and Allen have been overlooked, and should be in. Jim Tyrer, an OT for the Bears (from Ohio St.) back in the 60s and early 70s is likely not in because he was the pre OJ OJ. Soon after his career ended he ended up killing his wife and then committing suicide (something the gutless OJ should have done). Lomas Brown...IMO, is not worthy, primarily because he came here after really a fine career and played like a POS....he was just here for the money. That means that you should expect all of the following to make the HOF: Brady Peyton Rivers Ben R Aaron Rodgers Julius Peppers Matt Ryan Eli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Here is today's Trivia Question: Who are the Top Ten (eleven actually with ties) Defensive Players in Career Pass Interceptions in NFL history. Hint on this: both new school and old school guys are on this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 I know Farve and Blanda (longevity) and Marino and Peyton to start it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, mjp28 said: I know Farve and Blanda (longevity) and Marino and Peyton to start it off. Sorry...I am talking Defensive Players. I will clarify the original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, The Gipper said: Sorry...I am talking Defensive Players. So none of mine are correct ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 While you are thinking about that one, here are a couple more questions: A. Who is the last Browns player to return a punt for a TD. B. Who is the last Browns player to return a Kickoff for a TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, mjp28 said: So none of mine are correct ? Ah....No. Not in top ten of defensive interceptions. (I don't know about QBs throwing Int.s....that is not the question) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Ok. Picks, Lott, Green, R. Woodsen, C. Woodsen to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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